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tejinajoka New user UK 24 Posts |
Jonathan Townsend wrote on June 10th 2018
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* was it Chesterton who write the line about a thing worth doing poorly? To answer your question first, he said it in his book, What's Wrong with the World, which was written in 1910.( and it is badly, not poorly. The phrase 'If it's worth doing it's worth doing well. comes from the phrase 'Whatever is worth doing at all, is worth doing well'. The first recorded use of this expression is in a letter from Philip Stanhope, 4th Earl of Chesterfield to his son on March 10th. 1746. It is from just one of about 400 letters the prolific British statesman wrote to his son over a 30-year period. History lesson over! P.S. I am using a U.S.A. Half Dollar
If it's worth doing it's worth doing well. Philip Stanhope, 4th Earl of Chesterfield (U.K.) in 1746
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Dollarbill Inner circle Colorado 1005 Posts |
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On Jun 12, 2018, tejinajoka wrote: How in thee hell do you remember that? 👍. |
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
Hey! Thanks tejinajoka!!!
SNEAKY, UNDERHANDED, DEVIOUS,& SURREPTITIOUS ITINERANT MOUNTEBANK
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Couple of more questions -
Can you stop the roll between second and third finger knuckles... and turn your hand over (almost deep back clip) - the center of the coin being centered on the proximals? And how does your pinky prepare for the approaching coin? That exploration led to a recovery sleight. * There was a paragraph in The Expert about demonstrating skill which inspired a quest to use the steeplechase as a secret sleight.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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tejinajoka New user UK 24 Posts |
Jonathan Townsend wrote on Jun 13, 2018
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Couple of more questions - Hi Jonathan, yes if I do as you suggest the coin is centred (U.K. spelling) on the proximals. I raise my pinky to await the approaching coin, but as I attempt to catch the coin between third finger and pinkey more often than not the coin falls and I then usually swear. I need to perfect my coin roll before I can attempt the steeplechase as a slight. I have a DVD where Eric Jones does it beautifully. Excuse the pun but I am no expert, is The Expert you refer to after the asterisk a magazine or a book?
If it's worth doing it's worth doing well. Philip Stanhope, 4th Earl of Chesterfield (U.K.) in 1746
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tejinajoka New user UK 24 Posts |
Dick Oslund wrote on Jun 13, 2018
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Hey! Thanks tejinajoka!!! Thanks Dick, you're welcome
If it's worth doing it's worth doing well. Philip Stanhope, 4th Earl of Chesterfield (U.K.) in 1746
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tejinajoka New user UK 24 Posts |
Dollarbill wrote on Jun 13, 2018
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How in thee hell do you remember that? I would like to say I am a smart a**, but I am not. His letters to his illegitimate son, to whom he wrote almost daily, are published in a book 'Lord Chesterfield's Letters' published in 1998
If it's worth doing it's worth doing well. Philip Stanhope, 4th Earl of Chesterfield (U.K.) in 1746
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
There is a moment when the coin is just past perpendicular to the plane of my fingers when my second and third fingers squeeze together with third finger flexed down somewhat at the knuckle - and the second finger slightly up. Stopping the action: the coin is almost clipped but not perpendicular - it's leaning down toward the pinky at almost forty five degrees thanks to the knuckle shift. That is also the cue for my pinky to get raised up curled. Second finger up, third finger down, pinky curls up. The tip of my pinky is just about able to set up on the knuckle of my third finger. The coin is gripped in two places by the pinky and also pushed against the side of the third finger knuckle and pulled around.
It was the oft quoted book. On the digression of books, I was going to try and quote a Lenny Henry line from Chef! (about his mother and cooking) but it appears Samuel Johnson did better with "the morals of a *** and the manners of a dancing-master." a good two hundred years earlier.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Wravyn Inner circle 3480 Posts |
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On Jun 13, 2018, Jonathan Townsend wrote: If you hold the opposite hand under your steeplechase hand to catch the coin as you roll it over the pinky. Close your hand when it lands. Do this a couple of times, on the third time you allow it it drop, catch it in a goshman pinch, turning your steeplechase hand palm up, close your fingers as if you caught the coin before. You can then show that the coin has vanished. |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
A quick note on the Chesterton quote - I recalled it from a story read among the Father Brown mysteries, Faultless Felons and Club of Queer Trades... was in the Paradoxes of Mr. Pond. Took a while to find the lines:
Quote: III. — WHEN DOCTORS AGREE
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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tejinajoka New user UK 24 Posts |
Jonathan Townsend wrote on June 10th 2018
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* was it Chesterton who write the line about a thing worth doing poorly? Hi Jonathan, I think we should perhaps leave the literature alone now as the site is for magic. Hopefully we have both learned something, at least you now have discovered for yourself that Chesterton wrote the line about a thing worth doing badly not poorly. I have discovered more about Chesterton. Finally on the written word I saw a humorous sign yesterday, well it made me smile. 'Marriage is like a deck of cards. In the beginning all you need is two hearts and a diamond. By the end, you wished you had a club and a spade' Back to the coin roll topic, I have now managed (my best so far) five continuous rolls without dropping, but paint would dry faster. Will have to continue and hope to get faster. Practice makes perfect
If it's worth doing it's worth doing well. Philip Stanhope, 4th Earl of Chesterfield (U.K.) in 1746
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Conus Special user 657 Posts |
Tejinajoka,
I just sent you a PM with tips. - Couns |
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Signet Loyal user 257 Posts |
I have to say, I find the careful analysis description to be very helpful. It's fun to explore the suttle nuances you guys have posted about. The idea of going into goshman pinch, that's a keeper. I remember a year ago, I couldn't even get the coin into goshman, so I guess I am improving ever so slowly, or Should I say sleightly.😉
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