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Bert Coules
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I've been searching through Ring discussions here to see if this has already come up, but with no success.

This is a really lovely, poetic two-Ring routine. I'm particularly interested in the single-hand lock and wonder if anyone knows which manufacturer's product this is likely to be. I'd also be grateful for any other suggested makes with the same ease of use.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paKDutWykiA

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I am going to guess they might be Joe Porper Chinese rings http://www.magicgaloreandmore.com/index......._id=2397

Alternatively, I just asked in the comment section on the youtube video. Hopefully, he will answer. (keep checking back on the video). I have seen some really good rings that have no welds and very secret "locking" key ring but the price was always too hefty for me. DMC could surely afford a high end set.
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Many thanks for the speedy reply and for posing the question on YouTube: it will be interesting to see if he does check the comments and reply, though he hasn't responded to anything previously.

I just checked your link and yes, the price is a tad eyebrow-raising for a three-ring set, isn't it? I'm not sure they are the same, though: the Joe Porper Rings seem to be shiny and polished while DMC's look to have a matt, lightly coloured, finish (which is actually rather refreshing and takes them away slightly from being magic-proppy).
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They definitely look like a "brushed aluminum" finish. When I saw the thickness in the video, I was fairly certain they were a high end set. I have only seen 2 or 3 sets that looked that good and had locking of well hidden keys (not like the normal ones). I actually was considering buying a high end set years ago (when I had that king of money) but I ended up settling for a mid range 8 ring set. Usually, when someone comments on a youtube vid, the client gets an email. Hopefully he will reply but he is a busy worker and may take a while, if at all.

Hopefully, someone will know what they are and chime in (in the meantime). But really, I cannot think of any large linking rings not looking magic-proppy. Unless a female magician does a "small linking ring routine" with some gaffed Bangle Bracelets.
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These are 8 inch brushed aluminum magnetic locking rings from India. They run about $45 for set of 8 rings. There is a 10 or 12 inch set of 3 that runs about the same price. You have posted in the wrong section These are not finger rings, or small rings up to 3" as used mainly in Close-up magic, but Linking Rings for stand up stage performances for stage or large groups, rings from 6 to 15 inches in diameter.

Here is the previous postings: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&forum=8

This video has been asked about in the Boxes, Tubes and Bags section under the Stage Magic topic. I don't know who's routine he is performing.

There is 2 parts to inquiry for Linking Rings, the rings themselves and the routines performed with them, there is literally hundreds of published and DVDs of different routines sold in books and videos on line.

I really don't know if these rings are still available, as India just floods the market with a prop, and does not make any more for continuous selling availability.

I found the last dealer that sold these types of Linking Rings, Bob Solari, he has 7 different sets, he no longer lists the 8" size, only 10 inch and 12 inch. You want the magnetic locking hollow aluminum rings.

http://www.bobsolarimagic.com/shop/index......&model=1

Remember - You will not get the routine in the video with them, this you must find or work out on your own. I will give you a hint, Richard Ross DVD and book.
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P-D, thanks for the further thoughts. I do have the impression that they're thicker than the usual run of Rings - I wondered at first if it was the effect of the matt finish, but I don't really think so. You might have seen that Bill Hegbli definitely states the size, the type and the source. I respectfully disagree about the size, and I'm uncertain about the mechanism, though of course I bow to wiser and more experienced heads.

On the "looking like a magic prop" thing, I agree to a certain extent. I found an interesting chat here about what in real life the rings could possibly be, and the agreed answer seemed to be "not much", though I do recall a very inventive early Copperfield routine in which he accidentally extracts his Rings from an avante-garde sculpture. Outside of something like that, it's just that, for me, the shiny chrome/whatever finish does add to the "prop" impression in a way that a matt finish doesn't. Nothing wrong with that, I suppose, but something different is refreshing.

Bill, many thanks for your reply and the links. Forgive me, but are you sure those are eight inch rings? They look larger to me.

I don't see any hint of the move I associate with a magnetic lock (for example, following the first link) but of course that might simply be because he does it extremely well. The fact that it looks so effortless and is done with one hand is what made me wonder if it wasn't magnetic but something else I'm not famiilar with.

And while I'm grateful to you for mentioning it, let me assure you that I do appreciate the difference between the prop and the routine.
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Just a thought, but has anyone ever tried a sliding sleeve of very thin metal, held both open and shut by fairly weak magnetism? It occurs to me that this could do what was needful without requiring the degree of effort necessary with the standard magnetic close: a very slight one-handed movement ought to be sufficient.

I doubt if it would be usable extremely close, and a shiny finish would probably hide the gimmick better than a matt one, but under the right conditions I think it could be OK. Surely someone has already come up with it and given it a go?
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Bret, I mentioned the separation of rings and routine, because I read your original post as being impressed by movements and ease with which he made the maneuvers. It does look very magical, and smooth.

Am I 100% sure they are 8 inch, of course not, but as they are made in India, and they and other countries use the metric system. I compared the rings when he held them up to his face. A larger ring would look more like a frame around his face, and they could easily go over his head.

As for Chrome vs. brushed, you would have to see the rings yourself. They do have a seam, and the video along with the brush and outdoor lack of sun light hides he seam very well.

Yes, it does look like he has worked very hard with his routine and handling. I did not see any moves either, but that is what comes with dedication and work, Perfection.

You sliding tube idea is very interesting, and if you have the funds to take it further, then I encourage you do so, but again, the seams will show, but not on a huge stage from 30 feet away, and proper stage lighting.

Walter "Zany" Blaney, he invented the ladder levitation and his hoop, that has an invisible mechanism, cost him a hundred thousand dollars to invent and bring to market.

So it could be done, but no one could afford such a "key" ring.

Finally, the magnetic rings I referenced work very well, and easily separate, it is not like any of the other inventions, requires superior finger strength or both hands.

It sounds like you are desiring, hoping and seeking the holly grail or "key's", it is not out there, because when it comes down to it, it is the illusion that makes magic work. And, as in the video you referenced, skill, handling, talent, and work pays off big time. It got you excited, and caused you to start dreaming of miracles.

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Blil, certainly I was extremely impressed with that performance but I asked about the possible make and type of the rings because that was the information I was after. I'm not naive enough to believe that acquiring the props would also provide me with not only the routine but also the skill to do it.

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It got you excited, and caused you to start dreaming of miracles. Magic is fun isn't it!

I've always found it so, and I've been interested in it for something over sixty years. I'm extremely grateful for your thoughts, but why are you addressing me as if I were seven years old?
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Bill, sorry, I forgot to say thanks for the info about the particular rings you mentioned, with the magnetic key that doesn't require two hands to operate. Perhaps I've been unlucky in the ones I've seen, but they didn't allow one-handed operation. And the same is true of the type I'm most familiar with: non-magnetic, angle-cut and locking with a slide-over-and-latch action. I don't know if there's a technical name.
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On Jun 14, 2018, Bert Coules wrote:
I'm extremely grateful for your thoughts, but why are you addressing me as if I were seven years old?



I don't research the person asking a question, as many times there is no information, believe me I have tried. I don't know anything about you, as I don't believe we have ever met. I am 71 years old, and been in magic since I was eight years old.

As many members read these posts, and have told me how much they enjoy reading them, I usually include information for every person that may have further questions. Questions that come to my mind as I type. Just like the comments on the difference between obtaining a prop and finding a routine, especially one so unique as you referenced. Not many members know that with a prop like the Linking Rings, they also have to invest in books and DVDs.

I did notice in your response, that you are an experienced person in magic, and noted that I misjudged my initial thoughts.

Sorry if you were offended.

Seems you are not the only member that thinks I should be a mind reading and know all about the people that posts questions. I guess I will stop trying to help. I quit before and so many members encouraged me to come back. I returned. I see now, it was a mistake, you and the post below this one took everything out of context.

Thank you for helping me and see that no one needs my advice or help. You don't have to respond, as I will not be reading it.
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Well, in case anyone else is following this thread, I'm sorry indeed to have provoked such an extreme and completely unexpected reaction. Mr Hegbli seems to have taken an enormous amount of offence where none at all was intended. And Bill, if you should chance to see this, please accept my personal apology for making you feel that way.
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P-Daddy, I just checked the DMC YouTube video to see if he had responded to your question about the rings, but your comment doesn't seem to be there. Could it have been removed, do you think? Thanks again, though, for asking it.
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