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So no psi abilities?
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I just realized that this phrase "five senses" perfectly illustrate problem with disclaimers. Audience don't care about disclaimers. There is more then five senses, but nobody is care except other performers.
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I remember reading/seeing physical touch and the ability to feel temperature separated as unique senses in Roget's Thesaurus synopsis of categories as a kid. Never did buy into the baseline 5 ever again after that.
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On Aug 15, 2018, Marko Ragnos wrote:
I just realized that this phrase "five senses" perfectly illustrate problem with disclaimers. Audience don't care about disclaimers. There is more then five senses, but nobody is care except other performers.


Couldn't disagree with this more. Like disclaimers, it frames something to allow unknowing audience members a reference point. To know what to expect or what they are about to see. It matters greatly to them, whether even they know it or not. It should also matter to the performer as well. Performance is about the audience, their perspective and how they receive it. Disclaimers and framing create the desired foundation for their perspective. Of course, this is far less prevalent with magicians than mentalists, so I would expect magicians to say this. This is something performers should welcome and embrace, rather than see negatively.

When I see performers say that they could care less, they clearly are operating solely form their own perspectives and interests, without true regard to their audience and their important perspectives that can create your success.

Also for framing purposes, whether technically correct or not, the 5 senses are what most have accepted and are aware of, so it's acceptance is very commonplace.
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Another take on this phrase. If you are concerned with how You are perceived, its more about you and less about the audience. This is a magician's point of view. On the other hand, if your concern is for what your audience can achieve, it is all about Them. This is more a mentalist's point of view. If this is the case, if it is about what happens in Their minds, where is the need for a disclaimer?
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On Aug 15, 2018, Marko Ragnos wrote:
I just realized that this phrase "five senses" perfectly illustrate problem with disclaimers. Audience don't care about disclaimers. There is more then five senses, but nobody is care except other performers.


Couldn't disagree with this more. Like disclaimers, it frames something to allow unknowing audience members a reference point. To know what to expect or what they are about to see. It matters greatly to them, whether even they know it or not. It should also matter to the performer as well. Performance is about the audience, their perspective and how they receive it. Disclaimers and framing create the desired foundation for their perspective. Of course, this is far less prevalent with magicians than mentalists, so I would expect magicians to say this. This is something performers should welcome and embrace, rather than see negatively.

When I see performers say that they could care less, they clearly are operating solely form their own perspectives and interests, without true regard to their audience and their important perspectives that can create your success.

Also for framing purposes, whether technically correct or not, the 5 senses are what most have accepted and are aware of, so it's acceptance is very commonplace.


Interesting... I read his post as actually agreeing with that point and making it first. In essence, I read "Only performers worry over this technical inaccuracy. Audiences do not."
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I still don't get why it matters to people to use disclaimers. If that's your thing, go ahead. I commented earlier that audiences don't care and still believe that. I also agree that creating perspective is sometimes important. It can be done many ways other than statements. When you use the Rutledge/Banachek statement, you are saying 'everything I do from here on out is faked'. I believe this diminishes the mystery. Sure people most likely suspect you're faking it. When you tell them, the mystery is gone. It's as if a magician came on stage and said, 'I will show you wonderous things tonight, but the illusion is helped my some ingenious contraptions'. People know magicians use boxes and sleight of hand. Suspension of disbelief is key to enjoying the entertainment. People are not stupid. Because a few people think some mentalism is real, mentalists tie themselves in knots to pander to those few. Then the mentalist will say that even thoughI told them it's fake, they still believe. It's only a small slice of humanity that thinks that. Once skeptics took over mentalism, it went to crap with this stuff. To each his own. Entertain how you want. I say it again, audiences don't care about a disclaimer. And, one that is so vague as the five senses one is only for the performer. As I said before, Brown's pitch makes more sense if you want that.
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Wow. I never thought Bob Cassidy used that line I've always associated it with the late Tim Conover. I don't like disclaimers at all. Does Copperfield use them? Of course not. Because there's no uncertainty that he is an illusionist.
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On Aug 31, 2018, Rocketeer wrote:
Wow. I never thought Bob Cassidy used that line


He clearly did use a variation of it on his Mental Miracles video. "Mentalism as we call my art, is a psychological, persuasive, technique, that comes close to looking like real mind reading. In fact I'm using sound scientific techniques and psychological principals to create that very illusion."

Interesting how so many of us don't what to hear that which is said at one time, in favor of what's said later on. Of course ones opinions can evolve but lets not discount the evolution.
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