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paperinick
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Just hang out with Nicolino - you'll learn soooo much!

Why do you think I am open to suggestions, here on a public board, for who I should hang out with?

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I honestly, strongly, believe that my comments are HELPFUL.

That's good for your self esteem I guess; I can assure that - funny jokes aside - I honestly and strongly believe my comments are helpful as well.
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Wonderful. Keep on helping.
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Oh, and the reason I suggest for you to hang out with Nicolino is that you two just remind me of each other. Not your problem, but you asked, so I'm telling you.
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I'd suggest Mnemonica. Being able to get into your stack from NDO in front of audience is a great option.

If I recall correctly, Redfords stack can be done form NDO as well.

It's worth mentioning that Phoenix cards come in a slightly different new deck order than Bikes, and it makes getting in (and out) of Mnemonica even easier. They even include an 'advertising card' with a built in crib. You do need to be able to do a few faros, but if you can put in the time to learn a memdeck, a faro will be a breeze. I'd suggest Phoenix cards for that too as they faro perfectly out of the box.
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I think we are missing one great contribution on this post, it's the second part of Tamariz's book on h**f stack. First it is much easier to learn than a regular stack, and second it opens a new set of opportunities for the not used bank. This is an open forum, so not wanting to reveal much, but I hope it makes sense. In that line, Woody Aragon's work on Memorandum is great. First, he builds as many properties as possible in the h**f stack, poker deals, mirror stack, four of a kind, spellings,... but the best part is his s*****e stack, where the second bank is fully used to get to another well known setup when needed. I also decided to combine this with the ultimatum deck which gives you a very easy to use tool for table hopping.
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Thank you all for your replies. There is lots to think about here.

Harry Lorayne, thank you for taking the time to offer thoughts here. I am also working on non memdeck work and effects that can be done with a borrowed deck. The memdeck is a going to be a longer term project and something I am casually working on at the moment, especially with all the reading it looks like I am going to have to do.

I really must stop researching though. The more I look, the more I find that seem interesting. It really is a rabbit hole I have found myself in. At least it will keep me off the streets.....
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Lorayne,

sorry for my late reply. I was on holiday ...


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On Aug 10, 2018, Harry Lorayne wrote:
What's your point, Mark - if there IS a point?


The point is simply that if someone is asking for suggestions in a forum titled "Shuffled, not stirred" dedicated to memorised, stacked, rosary and what have you decks, it does not mean that she/he does not have any interest nor prowess in FASDIU card magic.

So now let me know what was YOUR POINT in jumping into such a thread suggesting to learn FASDIU card magic if not to plug yourself and your products, which is something you, unfortunately (in my humble opinion which I hope to be entitled to), already do aggressively and extensively all around the Magic Café.

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Are you suggesting that I said that Dani and Juan can't do great stuff with a shuffled, borrowed, deck?



Obviously not. Sorry you don't recognise sarcasm.

this may help https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.c......=sarcasm

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These guys are friends.



(Beware: sarcasm ahead. See above link)

Really? Wow!

Mark
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On Aug 14, 2018, Jinx13 wrote:


Harry Lorayne, thank you for taking the time to offer thoughts here.


Jinx13,

sorry, but it's not that clear to me what he has contributed to this thread of yours ...
But I may be the only one thinking this ...

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Typical Mlippo. Yes; I mention my books a lot - know why? BECAUSE THEY HELP!!!! I believe, hope, and I've been told literally tens of thousands of times - that I HAVE CONTRIBUTED. Nowhere near your great contributions of course.
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Oh, and yes, I believe it's HELPFUL to let people know my feelings about WORKING WITH A BORROWED DECK as against carrying around a memdeck. Then, people can, and obviously do, make up their own minds. But I will always mention my thoughts about that because I believe THEY ARE HELPFUL. Doubt if you understand - I mention my books because I believe, and have been told many thousands of times that THEY ARE HELPFUL. I really don't have to plug my magic books for other reasons - my books on memory training have sold over TWENTY MILLION copies - do you really think, Mr. Mlippo that I mention my books because I need to sell them? Are you really serious? Oh, what the heck - forget about it --- I'll just back off and let YOU BE SOOOO HELPFUL TO ALL OF US!
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Harry,

have you published tricks, routines or whole books on memorised decks magic? No.
You published books that may help memorising a memdeck (I didn't use them).

Then why did you come to this thread, since you don't have anything to offer? And by saying "LEARN STUFF YOU CAN DO WITH A BORROWED DECK." you are actually putting down anyone else reading this thread (including me).

And, yes, I do feel that my first post here (the 5th from the top) is on the spot AND helpful.

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Great psychobabble. I don't have anything to offer? Let me try to "offer" again:
"LEARN STUFF YOU CAN DO WITH A BORROWED DECK."
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Yes, Mlippo - in that post you mention long experience in the area - one whole year! How in the world can my close to seven or more decades compete? (I'm sure that YOU recognize sarcasm. Again, no way I want to compete with your deep knowledge/recognition/experience/contribution/helpfulness, and etc.

So let me repeat what I said back then: "Sorry, Mark, I omitted your "Ja" and your "eh?" Please forgive - I don't want in any way to take away from your cleverness and writing ability."
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...and yet another thread gone down the drain due to Mr. Lorayne's pathological hijacking and self-adulation.

Don't you see that we are interested in memorized deck magic here? In effects that would simply never be possible with a borrowed deck? It's utterly useless to recommend not to use a mem deck here when that's what this section was actually made for.

But I know, it's also useless to tell you that. Everyone who does is a troll or jealousy driven or whatever you devise to call him. Pitiful.
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Ah, good - I was holding my breath. Knew this lovely would eventually get out from under his moist rock, stop pulling wings off flies for a while and come here with his idiocy/jealously/hatred/stupidity - true to form.

I'm just incredibly amazed at that kind of obviousness - should be in the dictionary as "Nicolino Obviousness." Talk about pitiful. (Great pair however - MLippo/Nicolino - we're so fortunate to have them here.
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On Aug 22, 2018, Harry Lorayne wrote:
Yes, Mlippo - in that post you mention long experience in the area - one whole year!


Well, it's more than the experience you've had in the field, since you just use "borrowed shuffled decks".
I suppose this makes me more entitled to give advice than you are.

Have a nice day.

Mark
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I went "through" memdeck work probably before you were born Mr. mlippo. As I did borrowed-deck work. So no, I doubt that you're more entitled to give advice IN ANY AREA of magic than I am. All your posts over the years prove that - not that any proof is needed.

My advice? Put a sock in it - stop making a bigger fool of yourself than you are - talking about things you know little or nothing about. And if you want to hold some sort of contest with me as to who is more knowledgeable, more experienced, in magic - fine; you can remove the sock.
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Incidentally, and I've written about this many times, so I won't repeat the entire thing here, but - what's apropos here is - I was 19 years old, doing table magic at Billy Reed's Little Club in NYC and it was a routine showing off my memory with cards - WITH A SHUFFLED DECK - that changed my life. Made me realize that memory work was going to be more important career-wise than card magic. So, I do know a little bit about memory work with cards.
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On Aug 22, 2018, Nicolino wrote:
Don't you see that we are interested in memorized deck magic here? In effects that would simply never be possible with a borrowed deck? It's utterly useless to recommend not to use a mem deck here when that's what this section was actually made for.


This is not true. One can use memorised deck magic with a borrowed deck. There are ways to build a memorised deck from a borrowed deck. I have a thread at the moment looking for effects I can do as fillers when transforming a borrowed deck into a memorised deck.

In that thread someone mentioned a Harry Lorayne effect that is a variant on Neither Blind nor Stupid, called Blown Further Away, that can be done from a borrowed deck. I have not seen the details of either effect but I did see Seigfried Tieber on Penn and Teller's show which I assumed was done with a memorised deck. I have had my eyes opened to variations that can be done with a partially ordered deck and faro shuffles in the same manner.

I would be interested in Mr Lorayne's thoughts on his Blown Further Away. I would also be very interested in any performance of that effect. Please comment on the thread I started.

Thanks
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On Aug 23, 2018, WayneBurrows wrote:
.... One can use memorised deck magic with a borrowed deck. There are ways to build a memorised deck from a borrowed deck.....

It is not surprising that people who REALLY work with an MD and do paid performances in the REAL world (and not in their living room) have already left this section for a long time.
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