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On Sep 12, 2018, videoman wrote:
Rather than all of you spending days trying to flatten your cards, you all should be returning them and demanding refunds. I’m afraid that is the only thing that will get them to stop packing them rolled in a tube. Otherwise, they have no motivation to change their ways.

I would think Tom Stone would step in and demand a change, at least as much as he is capable of. Obviously this has already hurt sales somewhat and will no doubt continue to do so more and more. Somebody made a poor choice. They should own it and make things right.


Tom Stone has already said Vanishing Inc obtained the rights to produce it

So makes no odds to him if they sell 100 or 1000 he has already been paid

I always find it strange how magicians are happy to accept props that are not up to the purpose intended

but anything else if for example you purchased a new Light Bulb and it did not work , you would send it straight back
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It's Strange nobody talk about the tutorial video… We all know English is not Tome Stone native language but instead of looking for words, it could have been great to write some lines and read them, or maybe subtitles. It's a comedy prop but all the video is so boring.

The building of the gimmick is crazy on the video ! It's so hard for Tom to put the plastic rods together, it seems we all need to put some gloves in order not to hurt ourselves...Same thing with the cards ! It's so hard to slide the cards in the rods, some people will hurt themself and the cards will tear.
And after when he is joined by a "Spectator", Tom is positionned in such a way the Spectator can see all the words on the rod !!! Is it really a tutorial ?
instead of the Spectator the have a chance to look Inside the cup at the beginning, maybe Tom should tell the guy to extend his arm with the cup… Just an idea!

I will not talk about the props you recieve because everything has already been said.
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Sorry, I don't quite understand what you mean Allan. Your post is littered with grammatical errors, strange syntax, and several spelling mistakes. Can we get someone to translate it? Smile

//Dan
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I know what Allan means, but I don't miss the irony of saying English it not Tom's native language.
I agree with the comments on the video, I said before as it doesn't have much to it it forces us to come up with our own way of working, but I would have liked to see more.
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On Sep 16, 2018, dyoung wrote:
Sorry, I don't quite understand what you mean Allan. Your post is littered with grammatical errors, strange syntax, and several spelling mistakes. Can we get someone to translate it? Smile

//Dan


Sorry Dan for all my errors, I'm french ! Smile I do my best to write in English… Smile Smile Smile it's not too hard to understand what I mean if you have the tutorial video and the trick itself.
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Wizard product review 19-9-18

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtsjfGNvS8A
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I made my own as soon as I bought Tom's book, many years ago. Laminated cards, a self-made die and the spines only of a spring plastic document folder. It is one of the best mental openers out there. The "kill"/"hug" controversy should not exist...it works. I imagine there are some performers who could not pull this off with the required charm and hopefully they know who they are. It could certainly be creepy if presented incorrectly.
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Did any have problems with the item bent with shipping ?
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Read the first 6 pages of this thread.
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Too much trouble.

But the simple answer is, "No, nobody has had any trouble at all.

Why?

Have you?"

According to Tom Stone,

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On Aug 22, 2018, TStone wrote:
Yes, the cards are made in some kind of newfangled plastic that are nearly indestructable, so they are rolled up in the package, yet perfectly straight and flat when unpacked.


Schlecter's new and improved Ionized Magnetic Isotope Anti-Curl Powder was added to the newfangled plastic mix when this was manufactured, so yours should have no problems at all.

If for some reason you have a defective batch (and there's no way that you do!), contact Tom.

He'll send you another set.
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On Sep 12, 2018, videoman wrote:
Rather than all of you spending days trying to flatten your cards, you all should be returning them and demanding refunds. I’m afraid that is the only thing that will get them to stop packing them rolled in a tube. Otherwise, they have no motivation to change their ways.

I would think Tom Stone would step in and demand a change, at least as much as he is capable of. Obviously this has already hurt sales somewhat and will no doubt continue to do so more and more. Somebody made a poor choice. They should own it and make things right.


Tom Stone has already said Vanishing Inc obtained the rights to produce it

So makes no odds to him if they sell 100 or 1000 he has already been paid

I always find it strange how magicians are happy to accept props that are not up to the purpose intended

but anything else if for example you purchased a new Light Bulb and it did not work , you would send it straight back


I hear you! People will even state that it is going in the bottom drawer instead of returning it.
How many magicians does it take to change a lightbulb? Regardless, for magicians darkness is a time for d'lite.
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Sounds like there aren’t too many people here who want to give Vanishing Inc. a hug.
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To follow up on comments here, I managed to straighten mine by putting it through a laminator as suggested previously (shouldn't have to but now I have a working flat set and it's probably cheaper than trying to make my own to the same standard)

Cheap laminator, only need one lamination pouch.

Put two normal pages in the lamination pouch, put a bent card in between (close to the edge but covered by paper) - put through the machine. Cut the end off in a straight line and slide the card out from between the normal pages.
If it's flat, just stick it under a book for a few mins, if not, turn it round and put it back in-between the pages (the middle of the page seems to flatten better).

Uses one sheet and a laminator, now all flat.
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I thought they were fixing the problem?
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I really liked the look of this for an opener but have been massively put off from buying it by bent-card-gate and the lack of response from Vanishing Inc. Perhaps I missed this in the thread but which Tom Stone book is this featured in as I might as well get that instead?
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Well at least Mr Stone is here regularly making sure everyone is sorted one way or another.
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It was described in his book "Maelstrom" but I think it is now out-of-print and hard to obtain.
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Thanks Rik that's great, I will see what I can find.
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Well at least Mr Stone is here regularly making sure everyone is sorted one way or another.


Not sure if sarcasm? I sorted it by taking the advice here from someone else who suggested using the heat from a laminator. Vanishing Inc. were very helpful in their response to me, but their advice did not straighten them entirely.

Assuming I do perform this, in a couple of years if it goes well, I doubt I will be overly bothered by the fact I had to straighten the cards. Using the laminator (and maybe even the cost of buying one) is easier than me trying to make the same type of cards and get the clip/holder.

I think they should send the cards flat, but there is a way round it that means you don't have to send it back. Can be easily fixed by not curling the cards in the first place, but I do have a flat set now.
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Yep, I used the laminator method, too. Still not flat, but "flat enough" to use. After all that, though, while kicking around the routine, setup, and such, I decided that I would much prefer the photo accordion display. So, I ended up making my own set anyway. One day, I'll learn, but probably not today.
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