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Having played around a little with some homemade stuff, I'm starting to see why this can be so difficult. Being subtle enough to be well hidden yet still easily read is a challenge, both in terms of reading the subtle work, and in getting it applied consistently on each card.

I was at first imagining I'd use reader style letters/numbers (AH,9S etc) but that's proving to be a challenge. Is that something that is possible with the correct application? Or is that not really a viable method at all...

For now, I've co-opted the system from the Brooklyn cards for value. Much more subtle yet still readable. However, I haven't added suits.

Do those that use paper most often only mark for value and not suits? It just seems that the more information adds more risk. But I am admittedly a rank beginner, so perhaps with more practice I can put subtle enough work in that it allows both value and suit.
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On Oct 18, 2018, Peterson wrote:
Https://imgur.com/a/kixBYD0


I really like this work. Even I can read these big blue marks on the red backed cards.

Plus...an added advantage...it prevents eye strain. Smile
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And you said that you need years of practice to read paper...
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I stand corrected. My only excuse is, years ago this type professional work was not available. Smile
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Thanks, that's a good system. I've been working with just stripes, but I can see the advantage of spots, both in readability and ease of even application.
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99% of all marking systems don't mark for suit. Some modern IR systems do, since the work can't be seen without special equipment anyway, but those are beyond the scope of most modern performance settings, though that may be changing in the near future.

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Thanks, I see why.

Next question - and if anyone prefers to PM, that's fine too.

Finding the balance of strength of the work is proving to be a challenge. Even heavier work is hard to spot in brighter light, but in dim light and especially at an oblique angle, it stands out like the proverbial thumb.

Is this something that I just need more practice at, i.e. seeing lighter work so that it's even mostly invisible, even in dim light?

As a performer, I work in a variety of lighting situations, so ideally I want to be able to have the best of both worlds...
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Magicians often work in lighting situations that aren't really commensurate with the effective use of juice.

A public or private gaming table often has a simple, somewhat bright light directly overhead ... which tends to make juice markings more difficult to see if you (the player) is looking at them obliquely.
When the light is oblique along with the player ... it can tend to tip off the juice markings on the back of the cards.

In general terms you go for the faintest marking that you can intuit under your anticipated lighting conditions.

The rough science behind reading juice on the back of a card is based on the fact that the most sensitive part of the eye to low light (the rods) have no color acuity, and therefore can't pick up the difference in tonality between the card back and the juice mark. The rods are used in averted vision (they're around the outside your fovea) ... attempting to subtly steal a glance at your card back without appearing to be staring directly at it invariably results in the viewer only using the poor color distinction of the rods.

BUT ... the most color sensitive part of the eye (the cones) are located in the central fovea, and require that you look directly at whatever it is you're trying to make a color judgement on (the back of your juiced card). This also results in you having to appear to "stare" at the card in order to let the cones do their work.
You've got to be aware that you require the cones of your eye to deduce the juice markings, and make the conscious effort to use that portion of your eye (without appearing to stare at the back of the card).

If you just try to read the card without being aware of the fact that your rods are crummy at determining subtle color variations, you will struggle to deduce the markings quickly and accurately.

Generally speaking, it's an acquired skill ... kind of akin to playing the piano or violin in that you have to practice-practice-practice to get really good at it.
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Thanks. I've learned more in this thread than through any of the other material on juice that I've found.

So it's not just bright vs dim, it's also when the light source itself is oblique vs overhead. That does seem to be true.

So fascinating.
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