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What move or trick were you able to do that let you know that you have what it takes to do sleight-of-hand? For a newbie like myself, I'm thinking that getting the Ambitious Card under my control could be a heavenly sign that I should continue on the path.

What say you?
So many sleights...so little time.
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That's how I feel about the Chicago Opener.
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Thanks. I hear a lot about it. I will have to look into it.
So many sleights...so little time.
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The ambitious card is a great routine. Very entertaining, modular and there are many different ways to do the same thing. If you use different methods, there's no way for your specs to follow. I'm not a card guy, but I learner how to do this with a little helper, Mr. DB.
The first thing I learned, that encouraged me, was the coin roll. An experienced professional told me not to bother with it, because it's too hard. I was determined to get it, though. For me, it's all about bthe journey. I know I'll always be an amateur hobbyist, but if I keep getting just a little better, that's okay.
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That's exactly my feeling...it's the journey, and keeping interested. I know I'll never be more than an amateur hobbyist myself. Thanks for your thoughts.
So many sleights...so little time.
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I disagree - ask any spectator about the ambitious card - boring!! Same old, same old over and over. Do the Chicago Opener, which literally blows people away, and move on to something else.
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On Oct 17, 2018, TeddyBoy wrote:
That's exactly my feeling...it's the journey, and keeping interested. I know I'll never be more than an amateur hobbyist myself. Thanks for your thoughts.


Don't say that. If you believe you will be nothing more than a amateur hobbyist then that's what you will be. You'd be surprised where magic can take you.

I learned "Tap Dancing Aces" from Paul Harris. Once I got it down I was hooked. That was a long
time ago and now have a full schedule every week performing. Dyslexic Queens from J.C. Wagner was
another card effect that encougaed me to continue on the journey.
If you can't help worrying, remember worrying can't help you!
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Roth’s coins across was the routine that helped me believe I could do more than I could imagine at that time. That was 40 years ago,. Still learning, still growing and still enjoying our craft.
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I thank Jim and David for their encouraging input. You are right that the Ambitious Card can be boring, but I have learned a lot from trying to present it competently. On to the Chicago Opener...if I can find it. Also, thinking of myself as an amateur hobbyist is from realistically considering the amount of time and energy I have to dedicate to this art. My introduction to card magic has made me realize how very difficult it is to do well and I am not currently able to make the time investment. Thanks again.
So many sleights...so little time.
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On Oct 20, 2018, jimhlou wrote:
I disagree - ask any spectator about the ambitious card - boring!! Same old, same old over and over. Do the Chicago Opener, which literally blows people away, and move on to something else.


The spectator doesn't know, how many skills one trick needs. Sometimes a self working trick well done is more better than a knuckle breaker
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Thanks Wravyn. Now that I see it is also Red Hot Mama, I think I have it on a Michael Ammar DVD. Great to know this.
So many sleights...so little time.
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Thanks Gismo. I may take a look at some self-working tricks. I believe that Scarne on Cards, which I have but not yet read, is a good source of self-workers.
So many sleights...so little time.
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On Oct 20, 2018, jimhlou wrote:
I disagree - ask any spectator about the ambitious card - boring!! Same old, same old over and over. Do the Chicago Opener, which literally blows people away, and move on to something else.


Ambitious Card isn't boring. Bad magicians are boring. If the magician makes it feel like the "same old, same old, over and over," then that is not a very good magician. And the world is filled with not very good magicians, many of them well known and having long careers.

Search YouTube for Harry Lorrayne's Ambitious Card routine. Or Darryl's. Two very different routines, both highly entertaining. I doubt any spectator would say they were boring.
"Dana Douglas is the greatest magician alive. Plus, I'm drunk." -- Foster Brooks
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What move or trick were you able to do that let you know that you have what it takes to do sleight-of-hand?


For me, it was more a process than a particular move or trick. Each step gave me more confidence.

The first thing that gave me the feeling that I might be able do this was learning the retention vanish and finger palm. I used that in learning a number of simple tricks, including Two In The Hand, One In The Pocket, which I learned with sponge balls, marbles, and coins. When that worked, I learned a card trick that relied on an Elmsley count, and another that relied on a double lift, and I felt like maybe I could actually do this.

After that I wanted to step it up, and Pop Haydn taught me his Chicago Surprise and an ungimmicked coins across routine, along with a number of other more advanced routines and sleights. When I learned to do a coin move Pop taught me that incorporated a retention vanish, a back palm, and a sleeving all in one fluid motion, I finally knew I could do this.

Still, it took a couple more years of study of lots of sleight of hand techniques, including learning stage manipulation techniques at the Chavez Studio of Magic, before I started to feel comfortable, and not feel like every new sleight was a high-wire adventure.

I guess the point where I started to feel like "I got this" was when I could quit worrying about sleights and techniques, and concentrate on being a good performer. With musicians, if they get good enough, there comes a point where they stop playing the piano or the guitar or the saxophone, and they just play music. Same with magicians. If you get good enough, you no longer perform sleights or tricks, you just perform magic. Getting there is the closest thing to feeling like I "have what it takes."

And to be honest, I am still developing "what it takes." The more I have learned over time, the more I discovered I still have to learn. I'll probably never get there. At least I hope not. It seems to me that this whole adventure is a process of improvement that never ends, it just gets more and more refined over time. The day I feel I've mastered it, is the day I should probably quit. Smile
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Thanks Dana. Harry's and Daryl's Ambitious Cards are my models. I'm trying to combine them...to a small extent. The history of your progression is very interesting.
So many sleights...so little time.
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Learning Daryl's Ambitious Card routine made me feel like a real card magician so I know where you are coming from TeddyBoy. You may also feel the same about ropes and sponge balls by learning a Professor's Nightmare rope routine (see Richard Sanders for a good and easy learning dvd) and/or any good sponge ball routine. Once you learn the fairly easy moves required, you can focus on your presentation and you are on your way... Enjoy!
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Sponge balls.
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The 3 Ball Trick was my big thing.

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On Oct 17, 2018, EvilClown wrote:
That's how I feel about the Chicago Opener.


I just learned Micahael Ammar's version of the Chicago Opener (aka Red Hot Mama). I agree that it is a potential breakthrough effect.
So many sleights...so little time.
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