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the Sponge Inner circle Atlanta 2771 Posts |
WTH is going on?
Are these effects/designs Public Domain? Did they "belong" to Outlaw and Outlaw sold them? Is this cool with everyone? https://www.magicartifacts.com/product/knocker/ |
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afinemesh Inner circle Senseless gibberish that amounts to 2621 Posts |
. . .one man gathers what another man spills. . .
"I've always been mental, I'm sure of it" Boris Pocus
"Someday we'll look back on this and it will all seem funny". . .Bruce Springsteen |
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scottishpiper51 Regular user of Gris-Gris 138 Posts |
If I’m not mistaken, this is a case of a talented and creative maker that once designed and produced pieces for OE who is now in business for himself.
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the Sponge Inner circle Atlanta 2771 Posts |
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On Oct 23, 2018, scottishpiper51 wrote: But these are not his designs.... |
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afinemesh Inner circle Senseless gibberish that amounts to 2621 Posts |
They resemble OE pieces, but are not OE pieces. I don't see what the problem is.
"I've always been mental, I'm sure of it" Boris Pocus
"Someday we'll look back on this and it will all seem funny". . .Bruce Springsteen |
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scottishpiper51 Regular user of Gris-Gris 138 Posts |
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On Oct 23, 2018, the Sponge wrote: Do you care to elaborate? |
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Winks Special user Arizona 753 Posts |
By what I read, these are unique to this designer and those making them. The internals are nothing like the OE designs and the appearance is singular. I don't see a problem either.
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scottishpiper51 Regular user of Gris-Gris 138 Posts |
No problems here, either. I’ve seen their stuff in person and it’s high quality. Their table was very busy at Bizarre Hauntings. It’s great to see a designer doing well on his own.
The novelty reflected in such designs as their HH Holmes desk cabinet is not to be understated. |
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Sean Xem Loyal user New York 235 Posts |
While the new ideas look great, I have to agree with Sponge that some of the reverse-engineered (or newly engineered) ideas that are originally from Tim W. are disappointing to see. Aren’t these Tim’s unique ideas and hard work? The Knocker is a perfect example.
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Winks Special user Arizona 753 Posts |
Don't agree as that would apply to almost anything out there. The rapping hand, for example, has been around for at least 100 years. Someone put electronics into it. Does that mean it is ineligible to be done? If the door knocker has been newly engineered, then that is fine. You cannot copyright a concept.
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afinemesh Inner circle Senseless gibberish that amounts to 2621 Posts |
Right.
How about Out of this World? There are numerous "magic" versions and numerous "bizarre" versions! We gonna start a Paul Curry thread?
"I've always been mental, I'm sure of it" Boris Pocus
"Someday we'll look back on this and it will all seem funny". . .Bruce Springsteen |
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scottishpiper51 Regular user of Gris-Gris 138 Posts |
“If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants.”
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the Sponge Inner circle Atlanta 2771 Posts |
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On Oct 23, 2018, afinemesh wrote: Looking at ebay I see lots of magic coming from China that "resembles" certain effects but are not those effects. You cool with that too? Someone made some cards that "resembled" elite cuss cards but were not elite cuss cards. No problem, right? Maybe I'll make an effect with musket balls and a box. It'll "resemble" a Gemini Effects effect, but will not be. No problem, right? |
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the Sponge Inner circle Atlanta 2771 Posts |
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On Oct 24, 2018, Winks wrote: Really? OE was selling this knocker before he came on board. https://www.magicartifacts.com/product/departed/ Is this unique to this "creative" designer? |
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the Sponge Inner circle Atlanta 2771 Posts |
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On Oct 24, 2018, afinemesh wrote: No. My post/question is very specific. Try to focus and stay on topic. But the lack of responses from the "bizarre community" is worrysome to me. |
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afinemesh Inner circle Senseless gibberish that amounts to 2621 Posts |
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On Oct 24, 2018, the Sponge wrote: How about Out of this World? There are numerous "magic" versions and numerous "bizarre" versions! We gonna start a Paul Curry thread? I beg to differ. . .this is exactly the topic. If you wanna talk about only what you wanna talk about without any response, then go live in a vacuum.
"I've always been mental, I'm sure of it" Boris Pocus
"Someday we'll look back on this and it will all seem funny". . .Bruce Springsteen |
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the Sponge Inner circle Atlanta 2771 Posts |
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On Oct 24, 2018, afinemesh wrote: no. sigh. this isn't the same thing. The issue is mainly about design, art. I gave examples of the same thing which you chose to ignore. But to answer your question, it appears the magic community considers the plot of "Out of This World" to be public domain. Thus, the many variations. And also part of my question asked. So, now you'll respond to my questions, right? Again, hoping more (and perhaps the builder) will chime in. |
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Winks Special user Arizona 753 Posts |
My own opinion is I see nothing wrong in taking a concept and developing new engineering for it. Look at how many spirit bells are out there. All the same concept yet all have - hopefully - different engineering. Now if I copy someone else's engineering and produce that, then yes, that is not acceptable.
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afinemesh Inner circle Senseless gibberish that amounts to 2621 Posts |
That's your opinion. And, I've given mine.
As you state, let's see if anyone else has anything to say.
"I've always been mental, I'm sure of it" Boris Pocus
"Someday we'll look back on this and it will all seem funny". . .Bruce Springsteen |
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Sean Xem Loyal user New York 235 Posts |
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On Oct 24, 2018, Winks wrote: Never said it could be copyrighted, nor mentioned the legality behind it. I’m talking simply about what’s right and what’s wrong, and maybe more so about what’s creative and what’s not. We’re comparing an electronic door knocker to an electronic door knocker.....with a similar design, a similar shape, and a similar stand. The various spirit bells I've seen at least have differing designs that make them unique. Regarding OOTW variants, is Tim at least credited? Cause you can’t tell me OOTW variant effects are not credited to Curry I’m sure Chris is a nice guy, and I may very well purchase some of his more original effects. But I definitely see the points made by the original poster |
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