On Nov 12, 2018, kissdadookie wrote:

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On Nov 12, 2018, rasp wrote:
Thanks for taking the time to answer those couple of questions, very much appreciated.

Rasp.

Also of note, the E wallet states that it holds 25 cards. You're not going to be able to go through all 25 cards with a single prepping of the "hot" side of the wallet. You'll be able to get a few cards worth out of it before having to refill the "hot" side. So if you're thinking about giving out 10 flaming cards at a event, you're likely going to have to carry a small container of the solution around to refill the "hot" side. This solution is super easy to find and most of the folks reading this would already know what this solution is.

The heating element on the E wallet is also a huge improved over Hot Leads (not to mention the fact that you can recharge the E version, that was a huge limitation of Hot Leads, you couldn't replace or recharge the battery). Hot Leads used what was essentially a nichrome or equivalent heating element which does take a second or two to heat up, the E version from what I can tell in their ad copy creates a instantaneous spark so will not require a ramp up like the nichrome or equivalent style heating elements do. It was more of a two step with the Hot Leads, I recall I had to also load it with a bit of flash paper. The wire heats up, lit the flash paper, and the flash paper in turn lit the card. The E version is much improved in this respect.

On Nov 13, 2018, CoffeeWithMagic wrote:

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On Nov 12, 2018, kissdadookie wrote:

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On Nov 12, 2018, rasp wrote:
Thanks for taking the time to answer those couple of questions, very much appreciated.

Rasp.

Also of note, the E wallet states that it holds 25 cards. You're not going to be able to go through all 25 cards with a single prepping of the "hot" side of the wallet. You'll be able to get a few cards worth out of it before having to refill the "hot" side. So if you're thinking about giving out 10 flaming cards at a event, you're likely going to have to carry a small container of the solution around to refill the "hot" side. This solution is super easy to find and most of the folks reading this would already know what this solution is.

The heating element on the E wallet is also a huge improved over Hot Leads (not to mention the fact that you can recharge the E version, that was a huge limitation of Hot Leads, you couldn't replace or recharge the battery). Hot Leads used what was essentially a nichrome or equivalent heating element which does take a second or two to heat up, the E version from what I can tell in their ad copy creates a instantaneous spark so will not require a ramp up like the nichrome or equivalent style heating elements do. It was more of a two step with the Hot Leads, I recall I had to also load it with a bit of flash paper. The wire heats up, lit the flash paper, and the flash paper in turn lit the card. The E version is much improved in this respect.

My Hot Leads must have been different, because what mine uses can be found and replaced pretty easily. Were there a few models of it maybe? Mine used no flash paper, and was instant every single time.
I watched the trailer for this one, and the heating element definitely looks interesting, but I just don't think I would want to walk around with this in my pocket, and it's a bit bigger than the Hot Leads design, which was just for business cards really, and not a full wallet size.
I do like the concealed design of this one, and I'm almost curious if buying this one and adapting it to a Hot Leads type of business card wallet would be better?

On Nov 12, 2018, MazingMandy wrote:

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On Nov 11, 2018, MazingMandy wrote:
I'd still be interested to know if Jim Pace benefits financially from this product at all. Has he been paid for rights to produce this?

Geraint, can you please comment on this question?

On Nov 13, 2018, chappelly wrote:

Yes I have the same Hot Leads I think.No flash paper just a lighter.
There was another fire wallet that he put out with an element and flash paper. It was terrible.
My Hot Leads is still working well after many years .

On Nov 13, 2018, CoffeeWithMagic wrote:

My Hot Leads must have been different, because what mine uses can be found and replaced pretty easily. Were there a few models of it maybe? Mine used no flash paper, and was instant every single time.
I watched the trailer for this one, and the heating element definitely looks interesting, but I just don't think I would want to walk around with this in my pocket, and it's a bit bigger than the Hot Leads design, which was just for business cards really, and not a full wallet size.
I do like the concealed design of this one, and I'm almost curious if buying this one and adapting it to a Hot Leads type of business card wallet would be better?

On Nov 13, 2018, GeraintClarke wrote:

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On Nov 12, 2018, MazingMandy wrote:

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On Nov 11, 2018, MazingMandy wrote:
I'd still be interested to know if Jim Pace benefits financially from this product at all. Has he been paid for rights to produce this?

Geraint, can you please comment on this question?

Jim Pace does not financially benefit from this product.

On Nov 9, 2018, MazingMandy wrote:
I assume that E must have paid for the rights to produce this or otherwise it's just a knock off, albeit an improved one.

On Nov 6, 2018, Senor Fabuloso wrote:

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On Nov 6, 2018, Phatmeat wrote:
On the product page:

"Regarding crediting:
For reasons that are probably pretty obvious to those in the know, I’m not going to mention the person’s name on this page. But rest assured the person is credited in the video instructions as part of the history in creating this apparatus. Also rest assured, Ellusionist has upgraded, streamlined, high-technologied, and qualitied-up the product to the Nth degree. That’s why I put Adam Wilber on it, it’s what he does as product developer. The person in question is credited fully in the instructions, but I will not put them onto the actual product page given the circumstances.
~ Brad Christian"

So give him credit on the video but not in the ad copy while saying "For reasons that are probably pretty obvious to those in the know" makes no sense. If the "reasons" are so egregious, then why credit him at all? See the logic doesn't work. Either give FULL credit EVERYWHERE or no credit ANYWHERE.

On Nov 13, 2018, mantel wrote:
Ellusionist doesn't have a 100% track record of asking permission to use other magician's intellectual property and/or giving magician's the credit that they're due.

On Nov 13, 2018, GeraintClarke wrote:

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On Nov 12, 2018, MazingMandy wrote:

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On Nov 11, 2018, MazingMandy wrote:
I'd still be interested to know if Jim Pace benefits financially from this product at all. Has he been paid for rights to produce this?

Geraint, can you please comment on this question?

Jim Pace does not financially benefit from this product.

On Nov 16, 2018, itsmagic wrote:
The ad says "Adam gave away 200 flaming business cards in one show." So how often did he have to refill the "well"?

The issue with Hot Leads is prepping the reservoir to hold the card. It's super difficult to do and impossible to keep the fluid in there long enough to use. When it's time to use 10-30 minutes later, the fluid and business card is already dry. How has this been addressed with Pyro Wallet?

On Nov 16, 2018, elimagic wrote:
Do the cards smell like lighter fluid? If so I would never want to hand them out to potential clients

On Nov 16, 2018, kissdadookie wrote:
Ah, so for this you have to prep the cards themselves. With this in mind, I kind of like the Hot Lead method of prep better TBH. Just wished that the Hot Leads wallet prepped area was a bit more airtight so that you didn't have to top it off so often.