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Richard Lucas Special user TX fornow- MemberMagicCastle'65-'88 737 Posts |
I used to do Goshman's version of this trick it was published in Genii way back when, unfortunately, many of my magic goods were stolen. I would like to do this again, or some better version if such an animal exists.
Is it better to wait for Silver's routine or is there something better than Goshman available that I might consider now? Please help. Thanks.
"The only difference between a Card Cheat and a Magician is that the Magician shows off.".......... Jay Ose 1965
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Jim Wilder Special user Birmingham, AL 954 Posts |
Johnny Thompson has a good routine on his "Commercial Classics of Magic." I am not familiar with Goshman's version, so I can't give any comparison of the two.
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Curtis Kam V.I.P. same as you, plus 3 and enough to make 3498 Posts |
There are other threads where we all weighed in on this, and an incredible presentation idea from Paul Chosse that people are either ignoring, or are just keeping quiet about.
I cast my vote for routines where you do just what you say you will, you take the coins one at a time and simply push them through the table. I fail to see what all the counting and recounting has to do with that illusion, and have never understood why, in many routines, it's important to arrange the coins in a square before picking them up. (Other than the obvious reason, i.e. so you can do the move.) Jonathan Townsend published a very clean one-at-a-time penetration in the early volumes of Apocalypse. My version of this effect is in Best of Friends, volume 2. Jimmy Grippo's routine satisfied this requirement, by all accounts, but it is, as far as I know, unpublished. Whatever you do, don't settle on a routine until you've had a look at Mike Gallo's knockout final sequence, Slydini's absolutely different take on this effect, and the Walt Rollins "international" coins through the table in the revised edition of Bobo's. Derek Dingle's "International coins through table" is also excellent. I have a standup handling with several nice touches already shot, and awaiting publication on Palms of Steel volume 4 or 5. These should be out by the time you've found the rest of these routines.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
I'll chime in with the usual questions...
Why do the coins go through the table? and What does it mean to you that they go through the table? How do you want the audience to feel about it? From those (your) answers you can find the look/feel for the trick that works for you. How come folks have not chimed in suggesting the Slydini or Kaps versions?
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Mike Wild Inner circle NY, PA, TX, MA, FL, NC 1290 Posts |
RE: "I'll chime in with the usual questions...
Why do the coins go through the table?" That's actually a very important, though seldom well thought out question. What possible motivation is there for coins to penetrate a table? What are we trying to demonstrate, and why? A lot of us use the "hole in the table", or "stretching the fabric of solid objects" premises, or similar variations, but why does the coin go through... what's the significance? For me, this question became like the coins across question. Why? I arrived at the same conclusion that I did with coins across, and that is that, for me, these effects are not singularly important enough to stand on their own as their own routine. I know I look at "coins across" and "coins through" differently than most, and maybe it's a very individualized thing, but coins through the table, for me, is a part of larger routines, typically a flurry type of thing where my overall premise is that the coin(s) defy the laws of physics and do all sorts of amazing things, like transposing, vanishing, rematerializing, going through the table, etc. I can't, in my own mind, buy this, "Here I have an ordinary coin, and a solid wooden table. Not many people know this but..." culminating in a coin going through the table. Why? What part of that is supposed to relate to anything besides the table and the coin, and why would I even bring it up? What made me even think to put a cvoin through a table to begin with?!? And if I can't buy it myself, I'm never going to be able to sell it to an audience. However, I can buy a routine that depicts the coins as being seperate from or above the laws of physics, either because of where they came from, who possed them before I did, or whatever other premise is laid down to explain the odd behaviors of the coins. In this case I can accept the coins going from hand to hand, or changing places, or penetrating a table top, as long as these are supporting items to the main premise, and not themselves a main premise. Why do the coins go through the table? They go through to reinforce the magic that surrounds them, created by us. They do not go through simply for the sake of going through. Best, Mike |
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vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10957 Posts |
I'll jump in here, although I am not familar with Goshman's , Johnny Thompnsan's or Paul Chosses routine. I did whitness Mickey Silver performing his one handed coin through the table. .As Mickey pushed the coin through the table the coin fell and hit the foot under the table of fellow magician Louis. Needles to say we all could not belive this effect.
I hope Mickey puts this trick on his dvd that will soon be realeased. vinny |
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Jason Wethington Special user Orlando, Fl 615 Posts |
"Why did the coins go through the table?"
To get to the other side. |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Jason, are you asking us to believe the coins WANTED to get to the other side?
How do you think they feel when you catch them and put them back on top of the table then?
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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James Harrison Special user Ontario, Canada 762 Posts |
Terrible,
Mostly because they were taken out of the coin purse in the first place, and weren't used to buy something. ;) |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Good one James, that suggests a routine where the coins are pushed through, perhaps caught, then they vanish ... and appear back in the purse. IE they are NOT put back on the table, and perhaps not even show... as they melt away.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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mike gallo Inner circle 1341 Posts |
Why do the coins go through the table?
For me, it's because of the fascination of it. In 1967, a University in Southern California did extensive research on changing the molecular stucture of solid materials in order to "pass" one object through another. The research was in vain.... Mike |
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Michael Rubinstein V.I.P. 4665 Posts |
Sometimes we don't have to give an exact reason for why...sometimes the magic just has to be interesting and entertaining. Why do it? Because we're magicians and we can.
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Becaue I have the POWER!!
And, Slydini taught me, so that's good enough reason. Besides, when I have done it the audiences enjoy it. Note: Since Al Flosso was FIRST with what is now commonly called a coin purse, how is it that so few use one like he did.. with some remnants of the purse remaining? :spinningcoin:
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Glenn Godsey Special user 737 Posts |
I saw Goshman do this in his prime, in the mid-60's. It was the only coins-thru-table routine that induced lay people into watching every detail with fascinated wonderment. During many of the more sophisticated coins-thru routines that we see today, many spectators are thinking about seeding their lawns. Perhaps some of the esteemed critics of this concept never saw Goshman do it except on the video he made long after he was severely handicapped with arthritus.
Goshman's routine was very simple and relied mostly on choreography and misdirection wrapped in a uniquely impish performing personality. There was little in it that would interest today's technical coin virtuosos. I hasten to add that I greatly admire Kam's and Townsend's thinking and skills. But. if you had that Goshman thing down, stick with it. There is a generation out there that has never seen anything like Albert's rare witty elegance inbedded in a simple routine. Best regards, Glenn Godsey |
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Richard Lucas Special user TX fornow- MemberMagicCastle'65-'88 737 Posts |
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On 2004-06-07 04:55, Curtis Kam wrote: Well now, you've certainly given me enough to keep me busy searching. Why does this always happen? Why not just give the web address? I'm lazy and would like someone else to do the work for me.
"The only difference between a Card Cheat and a Magician is that the Magician shows off.".......... Jay Ose 1965
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On 2004-06-07 07:29, Jonathan Townsend wrote: Although I have a friend who would kill me if I gave away my presentation of CT^3, let me say that I include a prop the sole explicit purpose of which is to shoot one item through another. (Use your imagination.) It has the added benefit that it appears to make manipulation impossible, strengthening the magical effect. (We'll await someone asking why it leaves everything undamaged; oddly, I've never had anyone ask this.) |
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twistedace Inner circle philadelphia 3772 Posts |
I actually agree with Dr. Rubenstein on this one. Although most of the magic I do, and I'm sure others do, is motivated by intriguing and entertaining plot lines, I'm also quite fond of a few "because it's just magical" explanations. David Roth calls it "Shut up and watch" magic if I'm not mistaken. If the chops are good enough, it will be entertaining. I don't know how many working pros can take the time at tables to set up a "pothole" type premise and make it their own.
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Jason Wethington Special user Orlando, Fl 615 Posts |
One of the best routines EVER was one Chris Kenner used to do at Illusions Restaurant in IN. His was more of a portable hole really. At the end he would shove his arm into the hole! Killer magic.
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
How about a little more explanation of Kenner's Arm Shove Through????
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Richard Lucas Special user TX fornow- MemberMagicCastle'65-'88 737 Posts |
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On 2004-06-08 01:19, S2000magician wrote: Your being dead wouldn't affect most of us here so why not Butch up and reveal it? Otherwise, why the teaser?
"The only difference between a Card Cheat and a Magician is that the Magician shows off.".......... Jay Ose 1965
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