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abc Inner circle South African in Taiwan 1081 Posts |
This may not work for you but it works for me all the time. Time your patter.
Give the cards to a spec and ask him to count some cards onto the table while you tell them a really bad joke. If he stops while you are speaking just say keep going and then continue the joke. The speed at which they deal will differ so the speed at which you tell the joke should be timed to the speed they are dealing at. You can get them to deal quicker by saying hurry up and get back to the joke or slow down by saying hey if you concentrate on dealing so fast you are going to miss the joke. About every third word should have a card dealt so get a joke with about 50 to 55 words and when you get to the end say " bad joke hey" and take the cards back. I guess it really depends on your personality and character when performing. As I said I get it all the time (with some practise LOL) but I have explained and shown it to other people (magicians) and they just can not pull it off. Confidence I assume is pretty important here. You don't even have to look at them while they are dealing because they will not change the speed unless you tell them to and you will get used to altering your speaking speed a little to adapt to them. |
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Larry Davidson Inner circle Boynton Beach, FL 5270 Posts |
How about Paul Harris' Solid Deception with 20 loose cards on top? Sorry, I couldn't resist.
If I were performing the effect, I'd probably do one of two things, both of which have already been suggested by others: 1. Have the spectator deal the cards, make it appear that you're not paying any attention as you're talking (but you're actually keeping track), and then stop the spectator when she gets to 20; or, 2. When the spectator gets to the number 12 or thereabouts, tell her in a somewhat firm tone of voice that she can stop dealing whenever she'd like. If she stops just a few cards short of 20, which is very likely, simply palm off any extra needed cards from the remainder of the deck and secretly add them to the pile as you square it. If she deals a few cards more than 20 simply palm off the extra cards as you square the pile and add those cards to the remainder of the deck. If she deals way past 20 cards, ask her if she'd like to see a coin trick. (Note that although this method requires that you touch the pile of cards, my guess is that the audience will not remember that since it was only for a second and apparently only to square the cards.) Larry |
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Jon Allen V.I.P. England 1771 Posts |
Sorry for missing your posting, Steve. I guess I scanned the thread too quickly.
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On 2004-06-09 08:30, Steve Martin wrote: What does this mean???
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Nathan Pain Inner circle iowa 2825 Posts |
Larry,
Idea 2 will only work if they go past my 20 card stack, but thank you for the input. Plus the touching the cards thing is a real no no, as my friends have told me, "If you could do card tricks without touching the cards, you'd be a lot better at card tricks." Nathan Pain
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crashfreze Regular user columbia, sc 114 Posts |
Nathan,
Hi. I'm going to tell you how I would go about solving this problem. Obviously you have a prearranged order to the top 20 cards so that is cool. First thing I would do is start with a **g shuffle to maintain the top stock. Then I would get the spectator to choose a card from the deck. Obviously not one of the top 20, you can accomplish this many ways. Then similarly to a slip cut force, keep a break on the top 20 cards. Start riffling the deck and say "tell me when to stop". Obviously wherever they tell you to stop just pick up the top 20 cards only and have them replace their card FACE UP on the stack then drop the 20 stock on top. Then I'd remind the victim they've had free choice of card, where to put the card, then set the deck down and say for the remainder of this effect you will not handle the deck. Have them deal one card at a time onto the table instructing them to STOP when they get to their card. After I have completed my effect I'd tie in their signed card to another routine to make the signed card seem even more relevant. I know its not EXACTLY what you wanted, but that's what I would do if it were my effect. |
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Steve Martin Inner circle 1119 Posts |
Jon, it's a joke against myself, and not directed at you or anyone else. Apologies if it sounded ambiguous. In my previous two posts I had been blowing my own trumpet on purpose (slightly tongue in cheek, although I'll stop the description there because it's starting to sound a bit dodgy) and was just sending myself up (oops, there we go again).
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On 2004-06-09 15:49, crashfreze wrote: Ahem number 3.... Quote:
On 2004-06-08 10:18, Steve Martin wrote: :)
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Larry Davidson Inner circle Boynton Beach, FL 5270 Posts |
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On 2004-06-09 12:48, nathanpain wrote: Nathan, idea #2 would work if they deal less than 20. Maybe my posting wasn't clear, but the idea was that if this happened, you'd pick up the rest of the deck (for example to box it), palm off the number of cards needed, and secretly add them to the pile that the spectator dealt. Re. your friends' statement that you'd be a lot better at card tricks if you didn't touch the cards -- it doesn't matter if you actually touch the cards, it only matters if they remember you touching them. Larry P.S. - There are a number of excellent "touchless" card effects in print, for example the Lazy Man's Card Trick. |
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Nathan Pain Inner circle iowa 2825 Posts |
Larry,
Trust me, the palm add on would TOTALLY screw up my routine...then fixing that would be my biggest problem, not getting them to stop at 20. My friends have never said that, that was a veiled attempt at humor. Oh and your post was VERY clear, it is my routine that is unclear. Nathan Pain Hey, To whom it may concern, I decided to go with the psychological stop, and then if I miss my stack, I can end the trick with a 4 ace revelation instead of the 4 royaL FLUSH REVELATION. Until I figure out a way to get 20 100%, this is what I am going with. Nathan Pain
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El_Lamo Special user Canada 589 Posts |
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On 2004-06-13 08:11, nathanpain wrote: Why not force the number 4 and have them deal that number of hands. Or if you are using a 4 ace revelation, can you use the number of aces found as the corresponding number of hands?
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Samuel Special user Norway 831 Posts |
Steve Martin, you seem completely obcessed with the crediting thing. Just because some people might suggest the same thing as you, doesn't meen that you have to remind us all about it...
Why not rather try to help further, rather than the ego-trip? Just so tired of the "Ahem's"...
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Nathan Pain Inner circle iowa 2825 Posts |
I think Steve was being silly, correct me if I am wrong.
NP "Why not force the number 4 and have them deal that number of hands. Or if you are using a 4 ace revelation, can you use the number of aces found as the corresponding number of hands? " I don't do this because I am not trying to do some sort of poker demo...the poker hands at the end are a weird sort of surprise...If I come outright and say deal 4 hands, that will ruin the whole idea. Nathan Pain
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meilechl Special user 657 Posts |
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On 2004-06-07 22:36, RoatC wrote: You can, depending on your style of course, start screaming, 'STOP DEALING ALREADY!' after they dela 19 cards. That would have to be done in a comic way and, as I said, depends on your style. |
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Nathan Pain Inner circle iowa 2825 Posts |
Screaming is one of my styles...I believe I might try that!
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salsa_dancer Inner circle 1935 Posts |
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On 2004-06-09 08:21, Steve Martin wrote: Steve, Apologies for stealing your thunder too!! I scanned the thread originally as I was in a rush and also felt bad that I had posted a joke response and upon reflection realised this does not always go down with ones Colonial cousins... You da man as they say !! |
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Steve Martin Inner circle 1119 Posts |
Salsa - hey, no problem. As you know, I'm only kidding anyway.
Samuel - sorry you didn't see the joke.
Any man who reads too much and uses his own brain too little falls into lazy habits of thinking.
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Tielie Special user 749 Posts |
I think you could tell them to say stop around 16 or 17. If they deal a bit too few, a palm add on could look real casual I think and the reversal can be done while toying around with the deck. If you patter during that reversal of the cards, I don't think it looks aquird at all.
And when they deal too much, you can fan the cards, break below the cards you don't need any more and get rid of them. If you need these to be in the same condition as before, the idea of toying with the cards is the same. With the right attitude, I think it works.
Deal cards, not drugs!
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Nathan Pain Inner circle iowa 2825 Posts |
Once again, after I shuffle the cards...I DO NOT TOUCH THEM...NOT EVEN SECRETLY. With my 4 ace out, I still don't have to touch the cards, and to the unaware spec, I am still amazing. But thank you all anyways for keeping the ideas (& jokes) rolling in!
Nathan Pain
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Tielie Special user 749 Posts |
Well if it is sooooo important for you to have the 20 cards 100% of the time, can't you compromise by touching them?
Deal cards, not drugs!
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salsa_dancer Inner circle 1935 Posts |
Nathan, just touch the freakin cards!! LOL
You must know that you can get away with murder with the right delivery, remember it is not what you do with the cards it is what they remember you did. In fact you can tell them after that you never touched the cards, I have done it so many times now that I actually use it so blatantly all the time. I have people believing they took my wallet out of my pocket before the card was even chosen!! If you want to play with psychology within card work this is the best time to try it, all it takes is a little bit of courage and miracles are there for the taking..... |
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Nathan Pain Inner circle iowa 2825 Posts |
That is why I created the 4 ace out...then I won't have to touch the freakin cards. I know what I can get away with, but this one time I want it to be true and clean...I want to be able to get the instant replay and know I didn't touch the cards. The only way to make a name for yourself is to strive for something greater than yourself.
Nathan Pain
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