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dluong Regular user 118 Posts |
I was wondering if anyone knew of a video, dvd, or book that concentrates on gambler techniques (i.e. the classic pass)? or maybe even routines that make me seen like a gambler without using gambler moves.
Right now I've only read about one video that might give me what I want: Sal Piacente's Expert Card Magic Lecture Notes - The Set: Volumes 1 - 2 (2 DVDs) Does anyone have any suggestions on good resources for what I am looking for or a review of this DVD set? P.S. I am willing to put in as much practice as it takes |
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JasonEngland V.I.P. Las Vegas, NV 1728 Posts |
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On 2004-06-14 01:38, dluong wrote: This is good to hear! Get yourself a copy of The Expert at the Card Table by S.W. Erdnase (available at any good bookstore or Amazon.com) and then get back to us in about 10 years. Jason
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Mercury52 Inner circle Kevin Reylek 2239 Posts |
I'm sure there's a lot of material out there, but if you're interested in 2nd dealing, bottom dealing, etc, Simon Lovell has a 2-tape set out on card cheating moves.
Kevin
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erniep33 New user Marysville, WA 72 Posts |
Also, the Erdnase book can be looked at for free by signing up at the Learned pig project. Link below
http://www.thelearnedpig.freeservers.com/ |
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Fayaad Manie Loyal user 237 Posts |
I recommend the following if you are willing to put in the practice:
Lennart Green 2 Ortiz at the Card Table 1-3 - Darwin Ortiz Cardshark 1-3 - Darwin Ortiz The Charming Cheat 1-5 - Martin Nash |
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dluong Regular user 118 Posts |
I looked up cardshark and found both books and videos. are these sources books, DVDs, or videos?
Thanks everybody for the great information. I already signed up with the learned pig project and I'm now waiting for thier reply. I also looked up Simon Lovell's 2 tape series which was suggested by Mercury52. I'm not sure if I have the right one but I found a 3 dvd series by the same man on http://www.penguinmagic.com Thanks again everyone and keep them coming. I'm sure this information will help others on the forum as well! |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
The book "Encyclopedia of Card Tricks" gives about 6 poker tricks that do not require a great deal of skill.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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Logan Five Inner circle Northern California 1434 Posts |
Jason is 100% correct. Study Expert at the Card Table.
While you are studying Erdnase, a good book with some easy poker routines, a blackjack routine & very good psuedo memory routine ( Red & Black Location ) is Stack Attack by L.R Brooks. Rick
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Paul H Inner circle UK South Coast 1135 Posts |
Jason's comment is probably a bit tongue in cheek and very amusing. However, his remarks have more than a grain of truth to them. You will be kept busy for many years if you want to perfect this stuff. I feel very similarly about wanting to learn seconds and bottoms, the backbone of many gambling effects. But the amount of practice needed to work up just of these two slieghts is very daunting. I own the Sal Piacente DVD's and they are briliant. However, a number of the effects require the mastery of advanced card sleights, particularly Vol 2. So be warned. I think Richards recommendations above are excellent.
Regards, Paul H |
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
I recommend the book Revelations by Dai Vernon and ES Andrews...
After that the books inner secrets of card magic by Dai Vernon. That should keep you busy for a while.
Glenn Bishop Cardician
Producer of the DVD Punch Deal Pro Publisher of Glenn Bishop's Ace Cutting And Block Transfer Triumphs |
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Paul Chosse V.I.P. 1955 - 2010 2389 Posts |
This is an amusing thread. The question is a bit convoluted, so let me see if I can answer and interpret at the same time.
The original question asked for routines that would make the performer appear to be a gambling expert without him having to learn gambler's moves. At the same time, the poster says he's willing to put in as much practice as neccessary. So, I'm not really sure what he wants. Everyone so far has recommended things that require the poster to learn difficult material and become proficient at gambling moves. I can quite easily (and have for other people already) construct an "act" that requires NO real skill, yet gives the appearance of great expertise. In fact, the appearance of great skill and gambling expertise can so far overshadow the real thing that I would willingly put a novice with an act like I'm talking about up against any gambling expert out there, with but one condition - he must be a trained performer. An actor could easily pull this off - in fact, I know at least one who fooled Vernon and the rest of the Castle crowd quite badly. Everyone thought this guy was a professional gambler, expert with cards and dice. In fact, he had virtually no skill in those area's at all! The right material, and the proper delivery fooled the best minds in magic... Best, PSC
"You can't steal a gift..." Dizzy Gillespie
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Pekka Special user Finland 560 Posts |
Excellent post PSC, spot on!
What do you want to learn dluong? Do you want to learn the moves or pseudomoves, i.e. routines that make you look like the real deal? If you do want to learn the real work, seek advice from Doc. He should be lurking somewhere here, few topics down. He can tell you which sources are worthy of your money. And of course you could listen to Jason. If you are willing to put the time it needs, just but Expert at the Card Table. It will cost you less than $10 and will teach you all the moves you will ever need. (or have time to master). |
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Paul H Inner circle UK South Coast 1135 Posts |
I agree with Pekka, excellent post PSC. For my part I think I've still got that darned film Shade on the brain and the mere mention of gambling conjures up hold outs, MacMillan switches, false deals and Magic Castles etc. Time for a long holiday I think.
Regards, Paul H |
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
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On 2004-06-14 13:21, pchosse wrote: Perhaps... But to make a living doing something it is better if the performer or speach maker know as much about the subject matter as they can! It may not work for everyone but that is my slant on the subject!
Glenn Bishop Cardician
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Further to the book "Encyclopedia of Card Tricks" which gives about 6 poker tricks that do not require a great deal of skill. I would also say that Karl Fulves Self-Working Card Tricks gives eight Poker Deals.
These tricks although not requiring great skill are still very ingenious. I do not know of one book that is solely dedicated to gambling tricks but I have only a few books. Erdnase "The Expert at the Card Table" teaches some Blind Riffle Shuffles which will enhanse some of these tricks. They are not that difficult to learn.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
And the classic Expert Card Tech... This is a great book on card magic...
I hope this helps...
Glenn Bishop Cardician
Producer of the DVD Punch Deal Pro Publisher of Glenn Bishop's Ace Cutting And Block Transfer Triumphs |
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NJJ Inner circle 6437 Posts |
Most gambling routines have little in common with an actual card cheat because a magician wants to show how good they are whilst a cheat doesn't want anyone to see it.
Also, a gambling routine must have a narrative to it where as a card cheat isn't interested in applying theatrical techniques to a routine. For example, in Colour Monte, the cards change from 2 jokers and one king to three jokers to three kings to one joker, one king and third card with an IOU on it! But no hustler would pull out colour monte. Similarly, a cheat wouldn't deal themselves a royal flush to win! Any routine can be given a gambling presentation with the right thought. e.g. Darwin's card to wallet and torn and restored card routine are all themed around gambling! Oh..and also buy The Card Artistry of Andrew Wimhurst. He kicks puppies for fun but he's a great card man! |
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Peakey New user Australia 50 Posts |
Also Doc Eason's Bar Magic - Volume 2 DVD has a nice Poker Demo in it.
Doc's Poker Demo - 15 minutes of pure entertainment (including Scotty York's Fabulous Ace Routine, Allan Hayden's "Exposed" and John Mendoza's "Routined Poker Mental"). |
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NJJ Inner circle 6437 Posts |
I think he was pretty clear. He would like a list of routines, moves and resources that someone interested in gambling routines should learn.
He also specified that he doesn't necessarily want moves used by gamblers but also moves and routines that create the impression of a skilled gambler. |
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dynamiteassasin Inner circle Naval Air Facility, Atsugi, Japan 1158 Posts |
Hi! If you're looking for a great tutorial for gambling moves, try getting the video of ellusionist named Ninja-1. It will jump start you on a stealth way to control a card and it also teaches the Las Vegas Gambling cheat routine. If you want to advance in your gambling routine, get Edward Marlo's videos called The Legendary Cardician.These video rocks.
As for me, I find the classic pass hard so I invented my own pass. I call it the bounce pass (just give the deck an upward thrust and BOOM the card is on top!hahaha!). The Haufmann pass, 360 turnover pass and the Table Tap Spread Pass are also some of my favorites. Try learning the flash pass, it looks super COOL>>>/... |
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