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Big Jeff Loyal user 300 Posts |
I'm looking for a trick that Doug Henning did. He cut the rope, tied it together, moved the knot and untied it at the new location. Anyone know the name of this trick? Where can I get it? Is this OK for close-up?
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Magical Dimensions Inner circle 5001 Posts |
It is in the book Device and Illusion. The effect is called "Knot Unexpected".
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Magicusa Elite user 478 Posts |
Ray, that book has some nice things in it.
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Magical Dimensions Inner circle 5001 Posts |
It is a great book. There are some really great effects in it.
Ray |
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
WRONG.
Device and Illusion is a different method. Doug did Paul Curry's effect. It is in one of Curry's later published books. It requires two assistants. A one-man version that has gained popularity is marketed by Pavel. I can still remember being FLOORED, literally, when I first saw Doug do this. I was sitting in the front row during a show he did in New York at a university. When he did it, I had NO CLUE and believe me, I was NAILED...it is a miraculous effect.
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Magical Dimensions Inner circle 5001 Posts |
WRONG.
You are half right. On page 109 of Device and Illusion it says that Henning used to do Paul Curry's "Sliding Knot" in one of his early specials. In 1984 Doug started doing "Knot Unexpected" by Jim Steinmeyer, which is the effect in Device and Illusion. It requires two assistants and a knife. I have a video of Doug doing this effect on the Johnny Carson Show. It really got great reaction from Johnny and his audience. Ray |
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Thanks for the clarification. I had not seen Douglas do the later version.
I have a couple of one man ways as well, one very simple, the other just on paper yet, but a way to do the Curry version with chairs instead of assistants. (Gaffed to do the same as the assistants).
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Whit Haydn V.I.P. 5449 Posts |
Pete: I have worked on a version for two gaffed chairs as well. It has some interesting throw-offs built into it. PM me. Maybe we can combine some of our ideas on it. I also have a source for the gimmick.
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Big Jeff Loyal user 300 Posts |
Does it require two assistants or two spectators to help?
Thanks, Jeff |
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Harry Murphy Inner circle Maryland 5444 Posts |
Big Jeff, the Paul Curry method requires two assistants they are “set-up”. The Jim Steinmeyer method uses two audience members. The Pavel method uses just the magician on stage tying the rope to two objects (mike stand and chair). They are similar (but not identical) effects each with total different methodology.
The artist formally known as Mumblepeas!
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David Todd Inner circle 2328 Posts |
Pete and Whit,
That's a great idea, using two chairs to tie the rope between. I have the original Curry manuscript of the effect and I can see how this would be a very practical model of this illusion (eliminating the two assistants to hold the rope). I also made the Steinmeyer version, from his book. The Curry original is definitely stronger. I agree with Pete, when I first saw Doug Henning do it on TV it was a mind blower. "Just no way," thought my little mind. Then I purchased the Paul Curry manuscript and I was very satisfied with how ingenious the method is. However, it's not practical for the small show, without at least two assistants. The chairs would be a great solution. Go for it guys! |
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007mystic New user Indianapolis 63 Posts |
When I saw Henning in Indianapolis years ago he did the Pavel sliding knot. At one time Pavel sold a close-up version of this effect. I have an original hand sewn Pavel rope and treasure it greatly.
The weaver of Illusions
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Brian Haagen New user 91 Posts |
Where could you get the Paul Curry manuscript?
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David Todd Inner circle 2328 Posts |
I have no idea. It was advertised in Genii magazine in about 1977 or '78 and I purchased it. I don't know who owns the rights and who may still have it for sale at this point.
Whit Haydn or Pete Biro would be more likely to know. |
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Harry Murphy Inner circle Maryland 5444 Posts |
Paul Curry's methodology is clearly explained and illustrated in his book, Paul Curry's Worlds Beyond.
The artist formally known as Mumblepeas!
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Scott Ocheltree Veteran user 364 Posts |
Googled " Paul Curry's Worlds Beyond" looks like it's out of print and not in stock most places. Is this easier to find than it appears?
I have an original copy of the Paul Curry Sliding Knot manuscript, but would like to get a copy of the book. Might consider selling the manuscript - have had it for over 20 years and have never come close to performing it. The beauty of this over Pavel's super sliding knot is that no one can examine the Pavel rope. In the Curry routine, tags attached to the ends of the rope are signed by a legitimate volunteer who gets to cut the rope tie and untie the knot, and in the end gets to keep the rope. The trade-off is that you need two highly prepared assistants that are gaffed to the hilt to hold the rope. Having written - all of the above, I start thinking about an upcoming venue where I may be able to perform this... Is there anybody here who has ever attempted this effect? I'd like to discuss it with somebody who has actually used it. |
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KeirRoyale Special user Denver, CO 550 Posts |
I perform the one from device and illusion (Knot Unexpected) I
e-mailed Jim Steinmeyer about it before I put it together and he said not to buy the marketed knife neccesary to perform the trick as it was to small. I built mine and it works great.
DVD author of "The Master Prediction System Done Solo"
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Dario Veteran user 332 Posts |
I don't understand why the knife is too small, because if the piece is too big, doesn't look like a knot.
Do you perform it for adult audiences? |
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Daniel Faith Inner circle Neenah, Wisconsin 1526 Posts |
Big Jeff's description sure sounded like Pavel's Super walking knot to me.
Daniel Faith
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
For parlour use I worked out a way to do it without assistants, pulls, nothing but rubber cement and rope. Now I forget where I kept the notes. But, if you know the principle you could work it out. I used about seven feet of rope.
I "believe" John Cornelius has a similar handling with a short ungimmicked rope, not sure if he ever published it.
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