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I'm not sure what category on the Magic Café this should go in. I am in this section the most, so I'll post it here.
I have an illusionist friend who puts having a "Doctorate of Magic" in his bio on his website. Does anyone know what organization gives these? I've heard it's like the "Academy Award" for magicians.
Also, does anyone know of the "International Magicians Society"? (Not SAM or IBM) It's billed as the world's largest magician organization.

Let me know if y'all know any info .

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The I.M.S., in my opinion, isn't really a magic society as much as a marketing ploy. It was created by Tony Hassini to sell video tapes. If you buy a video from him, you're automatically a member. I've been a "member" for probably 15 years ... at one time he sent a newsletter, but after I got about three of them, that stopped.
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IMS, International Magic Society, It is a video course by Tony Hassini and Gary Darwin I believe. I also have a friend with a "doctorate." It takes money to get everything and to take the test.
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A slight correction to Tim's post: it is *not* a course. It is simply a series of videos, much like the Greater Magic Videos that Steven's put out. Actually, some of them are quite good, but to call the I.M.S. a magic organization is akin to calling someone who goes to Jiffy Lube a member of an automotive club.
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Oh, I was under the impression it was a course. I had read or heard somewhere you had to buy them in sequencial order.
You are right though, some of the videos are very good. I have seen some at my friends shop.
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I haven't heard of a Doctorate of Magic. That might be a marketing ploy, I'm not sure. You could simply ask your friend.

I know that some people can get certain titles and certificates, by participating in certain magic marketing workshops.

For example, I am a graduate of the Professional Performer's Workshop from back in 1998 and 1999. Somewhere I have an official certificate with my official title, but I can't recall my title.

I know some who use their new magic "titles", that they have "earned", to great benefit in their promotion.

Hehehe! Smile

- Donald.

P.S. On the Dean's List, they call me a Professor, an honorary title. Smile
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I can give you the Doctorate. My school's motto is "Starrrpower -- We give you the power to be a STAR!"

Send me $200 and the certificate is on it's way.

Seriously, a title's only as good as the organization that distributes it. As for magic, who's to say what's good? It's entertainment; you'll get as many opinions as there are people. Would David Blaine be deserving? Some say absolutely, others think he sucks and uses mostly camera tricks. Even those awards given by "legititmate" organizations are often political and certainly based on opinions.

Bottom line: In the entertainment biz, titles mean nothing other than how they are perceived by others and the ability to use them in advertising.
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I belong to the I.M.S. also. To recieve your doctorate you have to take a written test that is about 10 pages. You also have to send I believe $25 in with the test. I was never looking for a doctorate to give myself a sense of worth so to me it wasn't worth the money.
I have 110 courses in their dvd's. And must admit it is the majority of my magic knowledge. There are over at least 30 fifferent instructors, from Rocco to Criss Angel to Tony Hassini.

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On 2004-07-07 11:23, The Gr8 DonaldD wrote:
I know some who use their new magic "titles", that they have "earned", to great benefit in their promotion.

Hehehe! Smile

- Donald.

P.S. On the Dean's List, they call me a Professor, an honorary title. Smile


I can't tell whether you're serious or joking about using magic "titles" to great benefit in promotion. If you're serious, could you describe some examples. I would think they would have to be used very judiciously most of the time.

A couple agents I know make it a practice to throw out magicians promo packets if they include claims of being "award winning" from magical organizations. I asked one about it and he said it showed the magician wasn't really working, since he had time to go to magic conventions. I have no idea whether this practice is wide-spread, and obviously a number of magicians (Lance Burton, for example) have used contest wins to further their career. Still, if trumpeted as a serious credential, a "doctorate of magic" seems like it has the potential of doing more harm than good for the performer. But a real doctorate, in theater maybe, could be used to great advantage in a number of markets, I would think.

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In this, our happy obsession, it's all marketing hype. Houdini himself said, (and I probably quote badly) "It has been my fortune to play the part of a Great Magician." George Burns stated that there are only 6 acts. The only difference is the social strata of the clients. I have leaned from books, videos, magazines, fellow devotees. From the Great, not so great & the unsung Great. The measure of sucess for any entertainment profession is...."DO YOU SUPPORT YOURSELF & YOURS SUCESSFULLY WITH IT!!"
In my kids shows I ask them about their school. I than say that even I am always in school and that right now I am working on my "Doctorate of ............. Balloonalligy"....lol

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Christopher -

I am talking about using titles that people have been given. For example, there are some "Certified Magic Professionals" who use the title CMP because they have participated in certain training weekend during a certain year. The trainer gave them all certificates in the end, and gave them each the title of CMP. Some are using this on their marketing materials. Use of their CMP title gets them advantage when marketing in certain speaking situations, and their training from this event has helped to make them better speakers. (I am not a CMP).

As I said, I have my PPW (Professional Performer's Workshop) training, and don't recall my title, because I don't use it. But it is on the certificate somewhere. This was something different from the CMP, and different from IMS's Doctorate of Magic.

Of course, anything a person uses should be legit (was Dai Vernon actually a Professor? Smile ) And customers will ask you what it means, and how you got the title, so be ready to give an honest answer. No deception.

Same for awards. You may have to show evidence that you won (title of awards and years and where). Again, no deception.

However, as you said, awards sometimes have very little meaning to customers and agents. You have to show them why that accomplishment will be of benefit to them. As you said, some agents feel that award accomplishments mean that the person has a great magic audience act, but not a great real-world audience act. That is why the onus is on the magician to show how this is important to anyone besides themselves or other magicians.

Shawn Farquhar makes great advantage of his award accomplishments, and he has a great real-world act. He is a rare blend of the two ideas. If you know him, ask him how he does it. (I am not an award winner, I just worship the ground that Shawn walks on! Smile )

In another direction from awards and back to other training, I have taken Dale Carnegie Training, and also Dale Carnegie Sales Advantage Training (no title other than Graduate). I would use that in my marketing when relevant to the customer. More often, I use my training to build my relationship with the customer, without them even knowing about my Graduate status or training.

Did this answer your query?

- Donald.
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How about member of "The Supreme Magic Club" - now that sounded impressive didn't it? Actually, many years ago when Supreme Magic (Edwin Hooper) was probably one of the most prolific manufacturers of children's routines in the world, if you just subscribed to a magazine off them you became 'Supreme'.
I remember one guy even putting it in his Yellow Pages ads!

Cast your minds to "The Wizard of Oz". What does the cowardly lion receive that makes him confident and righteous? A worthless piece of paper !!
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While we are at titles, Thought I would share this with you.
I went for an Illusion show in India. The show was in a huge tent and there was a signage which said "The fastest Magician on earth". I don't want to give his name but below the title was this:
Last year speed 622.5
This year speed 1318.
That was a description of his speed levels and I have no clue what instrument or test is used to measure these speed levels.
BTW mine is over a 1000000. lol
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Donald wrote: "For example, there are some "Certified Magic Professionals" who use the title CMP because they have participated in certain training weekend during a certain year. The trainer gave them all certificates in the end, and gave them each the title of CMP. Some are using this on their marketing materials. Use of their CMP title gets them advantage when marketing in certain speaking situations, and their training from this event has helped to make them better speakers."
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In the speaking industry the term "CMP" refers to a "Certified Meeting Professional," bestowed by MPI (Meeting Professionals International).

Any magician who uses CMP to refer to Certified Magic Professional should make that clear in their promotional materials. Anything less would be misleading and a discredit to our business.

A certification is only as good as the organization that bestows it. Savvy meeting planners know the differences and are not impressed by over-hyping in promotional materials.
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Donald,

The CMP example you use is very funny. A tad deceptive, though, if used to gain credibility in the speaking world. I would think that meeting planners who are real CMPs might be a little ticked. If it works, great! But people who use it in that context shouldn't be too surprised if it backfires.

As you point out, Shawn Farquar and others have used contest wins to advantage. I think this works better with national or international contests than it does with local club contests. Plus, of course, Farquar and Lance Burton have great acts, and it does eventually all come down to that.

I'm just thinking out loud here, but it seems that you can't open the yellow pages without seeing that nearly every magician is "award-winning." And I'm wondering if those awards really mean anything to the potential buyers in most cases. I suspect that sometimes they may make the magician look more amateurish and not less. It seems to me effort would be better spent on emphasizing the benefits of the show, the happy audiences it will produce, how good the buyer will look if she hires the magician, etc. Anyhow, these are just thoughts.

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I didn't create CMP, I just passed along a story. Don't kill the messenger, please! Smile

I didn't even know it might be mis-interpreted until Jim gave us that clarifying thought.

I assume magician's use the terms "award-winning" (if it's the truth) to imply that they are good quality, because they won a competition. Sometimes, prospects don't know any better, and if they think a performer is better because he is an award winner, they may hire him based on that. Sometimes, customers make decisions that aren't informed decisions or well-thought-out decisions.

- Donald.
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On 2004-07-08 10:03, The Gr8 DonaldD wrote:
I didn't create CMP, I just passed along a story. Don't kill the messenger, please! Smile



Oops! Sorry, didn't mean to suggest you had created it. Actually, I thought it was kind of funny and cheeky.

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I am one of those with the "coveted CMP" issued by Dave Dee. Like Donald, I had no idea that it could be misinterpeted and did, until Jim's post, use it when trying to impress a client. It is now off all my form letters.

Thanks Jim for informing me of a REAL "CMP" instead of the Certified Magic Professional that Dave Dee gave out.

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Using the CMP is not misleading as the right to use such was issued to magicians at a magic event. I don't see any reason to discontinue using the designation as it does not mean Certified Meeting Professional to those that attended Dave Dee's Super Conference 2002. If anyone asks, you truthfully state Certified Magic Professional and give whatever meaning to it that you gave it for your own marketing purposes. It was simply a device to use to set yourself apart in your marketing from others. For my part, I intend to continue using the designation as it was a title conferred upon me. I'm also a CMSA meaning Certified Medicine Show Artist conferred on me by the North American Medicine Show Artists Association or NAMSAA of course that is entirely another story. It is just marketing and I use it as such.

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Using the CMP is not misleading as the right to use such was issued to magicians at a magic event.


Doesn't it depend a little on the context in which you use it? If you are looking for work in the meeting industry and will be rubbing shoulders with meeting planners and speakers bureaus, there is little doubt that the title CMP will be interpreted differently by your buyers. In that industry a CMP is a very significant title and not bestowed lightly. What difference would it make what the title means to you, since you would know automatically what it means to them? In that context, why would you wait for somebody to ask what your letters mean unless you were trying to convey a false impression?

In the Donald's post which brings up the CMP, he mentions that some use it to give them an andvantage in the speaking industry. Now why do you suppose that CMP might give one an advantage in that industry? I can assure you that it's not because the buyer is impressed that you are a Certified Magic Professional. It is only because they think your letters mean something different.

Just as important as whether its usage is deceptive is whether it would be perceived as such. If I were running a speakers bureau and I were looking for a hypnotist, I might see your CMP and think, "fabulous, this person is also a professional meeting planner. He'll really know the ins and outs of corporate work." But when I found what it means to you, I might come to the conclusion that you were deliberately withholding the truth in order to create a false impression. Or I might conclude that you don't know very much about corporate entertainment, and therefore lack the experience I need. Is either situation really beneficial to your reputation? It's your call.

--Chris

This is a link to MPI's page on becoming a CMP: http://www.mpiweb.org/education/cmp/

I've posted it just to give folks an idea of how difficult it is to earn the designation, and just what it means in the meeting industry.

--Chris
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Good post Christopher. Again a title, degree or certification is only as good as the organization that bestows it.

You can get a Phd for a non-accredited "institution," but don't try putting it on your resume or using it to get a job teaching at a real college or university.
They won't take you seriously.

I put the value of a "CMP" bestowed upon someone who attended a marketing converence in the same category as the fake diplomas available at non-acredited institutions.

Bottom line: BS.
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I put the value of a "CMP" bestowed upon someone who attended a marketing converence in the same category as the fake diplomas available at non-acredited institutions.

Bottom line: BS.



That is certianly an opinion.

I'm assuming the BS at the end of your post was a Bachelor of Science degree issued by an accredited university, because if it wasn't you are placing yourself in the same position as those who use their CMP award that they legitimately earned through participation in a weekend training program, but means something different than you thought it meant....


As an extension of this an set of initiuals can be confusing....so much so that innitials can not be copywrite protected as a name or as part of a name for a business...We all knoe IBM can stand for atleast two different things. If I said I was a CO in Vietnam would you think I was a Conscientious Objector or is it a Comanding Officer? Both are dictionary definitions of the initials "CO" as are "Care Of", and for accountans in the group can also mean "Carried Over" or "Cash Order." NBC legitimately means "National Broadcast Company" and just as legitimately means "Nude Broads Cavorting"

So, lets be careful before we start telling people not to put initials after their name.

Oh yeah, I know when you said BS you actually were talking accounting and meant either Balance Sheet or Bill of Sale, right?
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Top Banana wrote:
"I'm assuming the BS at the end of your post was a Bachelor of Science degree issued by an accredited university, because if it wasn't you are placing yourself in the same position as those who use their CMP award that they legitimately earned through participation in a weekend training program, but means something different than you thought it meant.... "
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No, I am not placing myself in the same position. I did not put the BS after my name. No, the BS in my post does not refer to any of those things, but I am sure that many will understand exactly what I meant.
I am taking a strong position on this for a good reason.

What exactly were the requirements one had to meet in order to earn the Certified Magic Professional designation?

Did the receipient have to prove that they are professional by documenting a certain number of paid engagements over a certain period of time?

Is there a specific set of professional competencies that the recipient is responsible for mastering?

Did the recipient have to accumulate a certain number of professional education credits in a certain time period?

Did the recipient have to demonstrate a certain level of professioanl knowledge through a written examination of by other means?

Did the recipient have to submit testimonial letters and have clients submit written evaluations of their performances?

Is the recipient required to demonstrate knowledge of and practice certain ethical standards or risk losing certification?

Is the recipient required to demonstrate an ongoing committment to professional education in order to keep the certification in the future?

These should be the minimum reqquirements if certification is to have any value at all.

Last year I was honored to receive the Certified Speaking Professional (CSP) designation from the National Speakers Association. It's the highest earned award bestowed by our professional association and held by less than 500 speakers worldwide.

It's no cakewalk, and in order to earn the CSP I had to do all the above and more. Because of the work I put in, I have earned the right to put "CSP" after my name. If I only had to attend a weekend seminar to earn the certification, it would have little value.

If you are curious about the requirements see:

http://nsaspeaker.org/competencies/csp_desg.shtml

While our job may be to decieve onstage, it is not to practice deception in our business practices. You can rationalize it all you want, but putting "CMP" after your name and marketing yourself to the meeting industry is misleading, whether intentional or not.

Respectfully submitted,

Jim Snack, CSP, BA, MA

PS: What does CMP stand for again? Was it "Cockamany Misleading Puffery?"
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I did a search in the USPTO (the federal trademark office) and discovered that the term CMP is used for many things, including both "Certified Mortgage Professional” and “certified management professional.” I did not find “Certified Magic Professional,” but my search was a cursory one.
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I believe we all knew what you meant by BS Jim and I for one believe it was beneath you for the stature you have in our industry and on this forum.

Slackers wouldn't have paid the amount of fee, the travel expenses or the hotel costs to attend this event. This room was truly full of professional's within our industry. Attending spoke volumes about those who were there.

I see this thread as being one of those equivalent to the whisper game played as a child in Kindergarten the story really changed when it got back to the teacher. The thread is divided between those with first hand knowledge and those that don't. I would hope that those that don't would stop posting until they have at least done their homework.

BTW Jim, MPI is not the Speaking Industry it is the Meeting and Event Planners Industry. Two quite different things. I realize you are concerned over your $5-10,000 gigs being messed up, however, no one is trying to take them with their CMP designation. We are simply marketing our talents to a buying world and using those tools that we have gathered to do so.

I do children and family entertainment. I doubt anyone will get any wrong ideas when I use my CMP designation.

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Thank you Martin I was trying to nicely point out to Jim that he was stepping over the line however apparently he didn't take the hint. What I have heard about Jim and what I've learned from his recent posts to not align real well.

Now I am starting to wonder why others I respect have such a high opinion of him?

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I see this thread as being one of those equivalent to the whisper game played as a child in Kindergarten the story really changed when it got back to the teacher. The thread is divided between those with first hand knowledge and those that don't. I would hope that those that don't would stop posting until they have at least done their homework.

BTW Jim, MPI is not the Speaking Industry it is the Meeting and Event Planners Industry. Two quite different things.


Although this post is not addressed to me, there are several things in it I'd like to discuss. First, obviously I do not have the first-hand knowledge you speak of, only a brief mention on one person's post. But I do not think it wrong to point out that there are contexts in which its meaning can be misinterpreted. Likewise, there is the potential of its use in a deceptive manner. If you don't use it in a deceptive fashion, that's wonderful. If a person does use it in a deceptive way, I don't really care. All I can do is point out to that person the real possibility that they may suffer some negative consequences as a result.

Outside the field of corporate entertainment, I doubt the letters have any meaning. If you use them to promote your show for a company picnic, or a local festival, all I can imagine is that the buyer might ask, "what does CMP mean?" And you'd explain it. Then they'd say, "Oh, Ok." And that would be the end of that.

I'd also like to point out that the meeting industry and the speaking industry are really linked. They are not entirely different things, as you suggest. After all, meetings are where the speakers do their thing. Meeting planners, most of them MPI members, are the ones hiring the speakers. With the exception of many employee related functions,(and maybe trade shows, which is not a field I know well) most corporate work is essentially hired by meeting planners, so this is where you'd want to be careful what letters you use and why.

As far as Jim's CSP goes. That is in fact a VERY impressive credential in his field. It's one that will be immediately understood and respected by his buyers. I'm not questioning the quality of the training you received or the sense of personal satisfaction and accomplishment you derived from earning your magical CMP. But I do wonder how valuable it is as a promotional tool if it has to be explained. I suppose if it prompts the buyer to ask you what it means and allows you an opportunity to talk about how you received it, it might have value. In any case, I'm just wondering. I'm not saying I have all the answers.

--Chris
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Unless the speaker is being brought in to discuss how to put on the best meeting or event of your lifetime to a room full of meeting and event planners it is unlikely that this misunderstanding is going to occur.

I don't really see the Assistant VP of marketing who has gone to all the trouble to earn his designation in the meeting industry is going to think that the Hypnotist or magician he is hiring is another Meeting Planner. It isn't going to happen. You would not fit into the list of people who should be certified.

I'm a QBN member and if I studied real hard and took all the exams I could become a CBA. Now I don't think that if I were to become a CBA and I was marketing my Magic Show to a Balloon Industry event that they would be expecting my magic show to consist of turning the stage into a see of Balloon Decorations unless that was the description of one of my shows and that was what they booked. Why would they pay for it anyways as they can always get members to decorate for free to put it into their portfolio. (CBA Certified Balloon Artist & QBN Qualatex Balloon Network.)

In the same token, I don't see the meeting planners thinking the magic show would consist of magically appearing event planning ideas.

Regardless of the value or lack thereof, any value that is seen in it in the view of the buyer makes it worthwhile for marketing. It provides us all with a set of business standards to adhere to when dealing with the buying public as a result of our certification.

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Martin,

Maybe you're right. All I know is that Donald mentioned that he had heard that some people use CMP to gain credibility in the speaking field. It's only my opinion, but I do not believe this credibility comes from the buyers understanding that this means Certified Magic Professional. If you use it in your corporate work and it helps you, then obviously I am wrong.

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Dwayne,

What line did I step over?

I think a spirited debate about professional standards is a good thing for the magic business. It's too bad we don't have any such standards. Anybody can print up business cards and call themselves professionals, and certainly they have that right. But to call oneself a "Certified Professional" begs higher standards. What do you think those standards should be?"

Martin, wrote: "It provides us all with a set of business standards to adhere to when dealing with the buying public as a result of our certification. "

All I am asking is "What are those standards and who decided upon them?" That is a legitimate question to anyone who claims to be certified in any field.

If you or Martin have firsthand knowledge, why don't you share it with us and put this discussion to bed.
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