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Eddy Special user Manchester 582 Posts |
Where can I get my hands on this effect. Is it as good as its made out to be, and as difficult as its made out?
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Euan Inner circle 1041 Posts |
impossible card magic by Ray Kosby (video)
yes yes, especially the way ray does it. |
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PatUmphrey New user 90 Posts |
I'm sure someone will chime in on the video you can get. I do not recall the name.
Yes, it is difficult. In fact, I think it is one of the most difficult sleights to master. Is it as good as it is made out to be? I suppose that depends. Done in an ambitious context, it allows you to insert a card into the deck, outjogged, and make it visually rise to a higher position in the deck, under cover of a (hopefully) gentle shake. It is very pretty looking, especially in Ray's hands. IMHO, I would base it off of where you are at in magic. There are other moves that are difficult that will give you much more mileage and use, such as a good pass, a bottom deal, a burn-proof cull etc. Raise Rise, IMHO doesn't have a wide range of use. It can be used as a visual rise, a secret switch, but not much more (as far as I can tell. . .maybe I haven't put enough thought into this). -Pat
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Tom Cutts Staff Northern CA 5925 Posts |
Now that's weird. I thought Raise Rise was a "card rises from deck" effect not an ambitious move.
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brownitus Loyal user 237 Posts |
Hey Eddy,
Yes, the Raise Rise IS as good as it's made out to be, IMO. If you want something that's about as visual as it gets, Raise Rise is amongst the pinnacles in said field. I have had Ray's Impossible Card Magic tape for approximately 3 weeks now and I can do the Raise Rise effect pretty fluently, though it'll be a bit of time before I can do it as fluently as Ray. The move's real difficulty and incredible affect on spectators lies in being able to do it as smooth and fluently as it's executed in Ray's hands. Once you have it at that speed and fluidity, it is a KILLER phaseender to the Ambitious Card. Card goes up, up, to the top.. too nice. peace.
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PatUmphrey New user 90 Posts |
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On 2002-08-13 14:07, Tom Cutts wrote: The card does rise from the deck, but done in an ambituous context (and done well), it looks as though the card rises from near the bottom, to the middle, to the top. (Visualize an outjogged card traveling up in the deck). It is definitely pretty, no doubt about that. Pat
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Dorian Rhodell Inner circle San Francisco, CA. 1633 Posts |
Nope, this move was originally designed by a guy from England for an ambitious card routine. Can't remember his name of the top of my head but I think it was something like Fred Robinson? If anyone has a definite name let me know as I would appreciate it.
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brownitus Loyal user 237 Posts |
Dorian,
Fred Robinson created the Ambitious Riser move, which is, yes-- used for the Raise Rise, amongst other Kosby effects. peace.
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Euan Inner circle 1041 Posts |
I would advice learning the "ambitious riser" move before buying "impossible card magic" as almost all of the routines on it use it somewhere.
Also your fingers need to be quite long to do raise rise the way Ray holds the deck. I had to change the grip somewhat otherwise I would have broke my pinky doing the moves. The hardest part about the effect is in the setting up you need to do before hand. It's nasty. |
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Lonnie Dilan Special user Canyon Country, California 823 Posts |
what a work out for the fingers!!!
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Chris A. Inner circle AKA Chris A. 1123 Posts |
Heck, even Paul Harris admits to having trouble doing the raise-rise move the way Kosby does.
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
You don't have to do the setup the way Ray Kosby does. He suggested to me that if i was having trouble with the setup to bypass one of the setup moves and use a double-lift instead.
i'd have to revisit the method to remember exactly what he told me. If you can figure it out yourself from what i've told you great. if not and you're interested, PM me.
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brownitus Loyal user 237 Posts |
You can always overhand shuffle for the setup while getting some other folks to sign the card or something.
peace.
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AndiGladwin V.I.P. UK 587 Posts |
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On 2002-08-13 14:17, Dorian Rhodell wrote: Fred Robinson is correct - he published it in Pabular if I remember correctly, although the first person to do it in dealing grip was Ernie Earick. I don't believe he published anything on it though. --Andi
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Chris S Veteran user 393 Posts |
Yep - Fred Robinson in Pabular is what I heard as well. Chris Kenner has a nice touch on the Robinson move in Totally Out of Control and certainly wont hurt as much as Raise Rise.
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gilbreath76 Loyal user 279 Posts |
I was reading Chris Kenner's Up the Elevator, and basically it's a series of shifts. Does raise rise work along the same premise? A la shifts or passes?
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
Nope.
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gilbreath76 Loyal user 279 Posts |
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On 2002-08-15 21:19, fstarsinic wrote: Hmmm, this is interesting. I think I'll have to check it out. After reading the Chris Kenner Up the Elavator, I changed the handling by using a cover pass instead of the shift and it looks pretty sweet. Now of course when do the pass, it's all about angles and where your spectator stands. Since raise rise does not work along the same principle...How are the angles? Can you do it surrounded? |
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brownitus Loyal user 237 Posts |
Gilbreath76,
I have done the Raise Rise for a few buddies, 3 to be exact. Two were beside me, one in front. The only "angle" issue would be the back narrow edge of the deck facing you, but if you're anything semblant to a half-decent performer, you will call enough attention to the out-jogged card at the front and the "gentle shaking" of the deck will be more than enough to keep all eyes on it. peace.
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Hengky Ciptanegara Veteran user Indonesia 389 Posts |
Brownitus,
Does Ray JUST SHAKE the cards "gently" or the effect NEEDS to do a BIG MOVEMENT to cover the "real works"? Does this effect will "wow" the layman or just the magician who will respect to this effect? (because magicians who how difficult it is) Hengky |
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