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mindgames
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Posted: Oct 21, 2004 4:56pm
First, don't get me wrong. I'm a pro mentalist, and Ted was one of my inspired person, so basically I love this person.
However, I found some interesting problem that I like to discuss now. I do two-person act for the last six years, and the best in my country. I combined all methods available from linguistic, Cezanne and pre-show to make it just impossible.
Lately I was interested with Ted Omega Mental Act, but I passed it since I don't want one day, if I'm not careful enough and some people know I'm using electronically device, it will destroy my great career.
Question is this: I don't think Ted uses it himself! Check this out!
Inner thoughts » » Any Reviews or Thoughts on The Psychic Clipboard
It's clear that Ted doesn't like electronic device himself. Why does he sell it? That is another mystery to solve.
I READ MINDS.... YOURS TOO.
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Craig Crossman
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Posted: Oct 21, 2004 5:50pm
Mindgames,
We are on the same wavelength! I have already asked Ted that VERY SAME question. So far he has not replied.
As for electronics, I embrace the technology. I currently use and am VERY happy with the Psychic Clipboard. It's an amazing piece of equipment that instantly gives me the information in a way that is matched by no other. 
Here is the link to my question. It is the THIRD posting down:
Inner thoughts » » Any Reviews or Thoughts on The Psychic Clipboard
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Menetekel
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Posted: Oct 21, 2004 6:14pm
He sells the Omega act for the same reason he sells this:
Listening device by Ted Lesley at Stevens Magic Emporium for $135.00
Read about the sophisticated, high-tech listening apparatus. A bargain price for all you receive. And then look at the next link and you will see for yourself the sophisticated, high-tech listening apparatus price:
Same device at "Action Gadgets" for £19.99
And, no, the value is not in the instructions included with what Ted Lesley sells overpricing it, because the instructions (at the time my friend bought that from Ted) were just two hastily written pages with no special routines. Just the basic use you could figure out yourself for a cheap spy device.
And what about his exclusive? Informatico principle that originally was sold under condition to be exclusive? How came that it magically multiplied itself from 25 sets to 50, then 100 and who knows how many now?
This is something which has been questioned by some people, but no clear answer was given to them.
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mindgames
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Posted: Oct 22, 2004 1:20am
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On 2004-07-16 03:53, Ted Lesley wrote:
The problem with all electronic devices is that they sometimes don't work as they should... ...If possible, avoid using electronic apparatus on a stage.
Please, take my advise, or you'll get in trouble one time during a performance (I did!) Use the "KISS PRINCIPLE":
KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID
And you do not get in trouble.
ESPecially & MAGICally
TED LESLEY
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Well, I was wondering what does "keep it simple STUPID" mean.
Again don't get me wrong. I love his works. In fact I got almost all of his mental effects, and he is a brilliant man. I know the problem about that calculator spy device long time ago.
I think it's OK if he wants to sell it at that price with two pages of instructions. It's his right. It's something like "why didn't I think of it myself?". For me, I didn't buy it. It sells here in my country for $20.00, so I bought it here.
Now, the reason why you don't buy electronics!
Look at the way they promote it! Remember, anyone in this world can get access to the magic website, specially magic shop! They were so proud of their high-tech electronic devices that they apply to the trick, so they want to show it off. Compare it, let say, to Cezanne code and Omega Mental Act. Look at the advertising pictures and info. In the "Cezanne Code" even if you are a mentalist but didn't buy it, you still wouldn't know how it works! Lay people don't even have a clue! Omega Mental Act, the picture there... Ted... with the box full of electronic devices that obviously look like transmitter and receiver and earpiece. And read the ad. Obviously how to read people mind with the help of this electronic device that you put inside your ear. Even my 10-year-old sister knows how it works when she sees the ad. Uhm, I don't like that!
But it's not only Ted's Omega Mental Act. It almost applies to any electronic tricks.
Careful PalmBeachGuy, I got my nephew who is not a magician at all tried to search the Net after watching me do Kopykat ontage, and he found many impression devices, including your Psychic Clipboard. Guess what. He knows how it works only from the pictures! Not other imp devices, but Psychic Clipboard! Why? Clipboard, TV Monitor, same drawing, black pen, hmm.... obvious?
It brings up another issue. Are we... ehm... are they subconsciously exposing our art?
Correct me if I'm wrong. Any comment will be nice.
I READ MINDS.... YOURS TOO.
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ceeswing
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Posted: Oct 22, 2004 5:22am
If I bought this
Listening device by Ted Lesley at Stevens Magic Emporium for $135.00
and see this
Same device at "Action Gadgets" for £19.99
I would think
1. I am stupid
2. I have been robbed
3. .................
4. ...............
Thanks mindgames and menetekel
Regards Cornelius France
www.dcrtr.com
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magicinsight
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Posted: Oct 22, 2004 8:41am
I love Ted Lesley's effects and principles. I have jsut about every effect he manufactures and every book/manuscript he has written. I would give my highest recommendation to every effect he has available.
However, I msut say that I was a bit surprised to see the comparison between these two listening devices. They both even have the same design. They both look identical...except for the price. And the one from Action Gadgets says it is for ages 3 and up. It is good to know that at least any two year olds in the audience would not know how I "read minds" using this device.
Thank you for the information.
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johne
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Posted: Oct 22, 2004 2:52pm
You can look at it two ways...you know the secret when you read the add and can make an honest judgment about buying it or not.
On the flipside, how would you feel if that picture was not included and you bought it?
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mindgames
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Posted: Oct 22, 2004 3:34pm
Isn't it all magic trick supposed to be like that?
on the flipside
I READ MINDS.... YOURS TOO.
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johne
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Posted: Oct 22, 2004 3:43pm
I would say the majority of the cases it is, but this is not a magic trick.
Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but the moments that take our breath away
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mindgames
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Posted: Oct 22, 2004 4:03pm
Its electronical devise to gain magic ability.... free to expose....
And remeber the issue is about why a professional mentalist that don't like to use electronic device, sells electronic device.
Posted: Oct 22, 2004 4:10pm
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Johne, I was thinking that you got a misperception on my question. For a magician, yes it is good when they put the picture that obvious on the net, but I was asking about lay people that saw the add.
that's the poin.
First, do you think lay people will buy it?
Second, do you think lay people will know the secret just by looking at the picture?
Answer, No and Yes
that's what anoying me.
I READ MINDS.... YOURS TOO.
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johne
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Posted: Oct 22, 2004 4:24pm
I agree 100% I think lay people would see how it works. I don't necessarily think most lay people will take the trouble to find it. If I were in a lay audience, I would not be able to find those adds too easily, even though they are very easy to find, obviously. I think there should be some sort of system of screening the mere curious to seeing those sorts of adds. I mean seriously...most every mentalist knows, or should know what a NW is, but it is quite difficult to find good examples of them on the net...correct? I have to admit...I felt a lump in my throat when I seen those two adds side-by-side. WOW.
John E.
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mindgames
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Posted: Oct 22, 2004 4:36pm
Just another crazy world hah....
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Doug Higley
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Posted: Oct 22, 2004 4:44pm
Ceeswing: That was priceless. Busted. Thanks.
Not for beginners? So you can't be 1 1/2?
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Lord Of The Horses
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Posted: Oct 22, 2004 5:34pm
In my opinion, Ted Lesley only could provide the answers if he feels that the issues expressed by some posters are wrong.
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mindgames
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Posted: Oct 22, 2004 5:41pm
So if Ted don't answer it, you think we are right?
thats still don't explain anything
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Ted Lesley
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Posted: Oct 26, 2004 10:56pm
Hello Friends,
Sorry, that I did not answer all your questions about the electronic items I sell.
I had a complete computer crash in my office a month ago (that is WHY I Hate electronics)!
I try very hard, to answer every question you might have here in the Café, but you`ll understand, that I can`t hire a secretary to help me out and leave me more time to deal with your questions and PM´s. I´ll write an open letter to answer all your inquiries soon, but understand I am a professional performer and that alone keeps me and my office pretty busy.
So I ask you, to be patient!
Thanks
TED
Ted Lesley
( The "Victor Borge" of Mentalism )
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MentaThought
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Posted: Oct 27, 2004 12:11am
I really feel mindgames (Indonesian mentalist Deddy Corbuzier) is making a big deal out of something that's a non-issue.
Here's what Ted Lesley actually wrote at The Café on the subject of using electronics in an act:
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The problem with all electronic devices is that they sometimes don't work as they should. For example, a rechargeable battery goes dead from one second to the other, so never use them, but that also means you have to buy fresh batteries for each and every performance. That is a costly affair, especially if you have no standard batteries in you equipment. If possible, avoid using electronic apparatus on a stage. But when you use it, make sure, that you have a trick as a 'back-up.'
Please, take my advice, or you'll get in trouble one time during a performance (I did!) Use the 'KISS PRINCIPLE':
KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID
And you do not get in trouble.
ESPecially & MAGICally
"TED LESLEY"
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Ironically, as someone who recently expressed his belief that one of Mr. Lesley's signature effects, "The Bending Wine Glass" (which, I believe, involves electronics!) was incredibly high-priced, I now point out that I see no contradiction or hypocrisy whatsoever in what he wrote above and the fact that he sells electronic devices.
Absolutely nowhere in the above does Mr. Lesley say anything like "never use electronic devices in an act." Rather, he seems to be saying that, while he's leery of using electronics himself, he sensibly recommends other performers who *do* use them to at least have a back-up in case the electronic device doesn't work during a performance.
Is it hypocritical if a man works in a motorcycle factory but personally won't travel in anything but a Volvo?
"A good mentalist ... will teach you a miracle because he understands the subtleties ..." -- Banachek
"If this works it'll be BEAUTIFUL!" - The Amazing Kreskin on a stunning effect he performed on his 1970s television series (PS: it worked)
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Neil
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Posted: Nov 26, 2004 10:32am
Selling that spy calculator at that price is a cheap trick.
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Mark Timon
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Posted: Nov 26, 2004 10:55am
I have a better example of this kind of bevahior.
If you been in mentalism for a while you will understand when you see the link: http://www.wackyplanet.com/magicstrings.html
Regards
Mark Timon
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Juan D
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Posted: Nov 26, 2004 12:06pm
That's why I say...
Invest in books,create your own stuff and come with your own ideas : You will not regret It!
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Menetekel
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Posted: Nov 26, 2004 3:11pm
hmmm... not a coincidence BECKER and LESLEY are good friends afterall. And it's certainly not a friendship born out from the VIRTUOSITY of one or both men, if you get the hint!
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alannasser
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Posted: Jun 3, 2007 2:13pm
Ted says above that if we are patient, his response to the very challenging questions posed about his electronic Omega will be forthcoming. Three years later and ... nothing. How patient is patient? I think Ted has been caught with his hand in the cookie jar. The evidence is crystal clear. If I were Ted in this situation I'd stonewall until people forget. Shame.
Alan
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Mariagi
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Posted: Jun 3, 2007 4:18pm
Mr.Lesley has had his up and down with his health and that's a fact: but I understand you fully Alan since he had time to post his anser or a defense three years ago and he did not: why ?? if you read the thread you will see for yourself that it was impossible to defend himself honestly without any lie. some of the links given if still working today pointed you directly at some gizmo that was sold in some drugstore or some bargain shop and resold for exorbitant prices by those pros with the dealers ads telling you those products were custom made only for those effects..
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skilldini
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Posted: May 31, 2010 8:14am
I have a wooden easel for jumbo cards that has a piano hinge in the middle which allows it to fold in half. 12" tall and 25" wide. green on the front surface. well made of wood. very well made actually.
I understand it is part of a ted lesley effect with jumbo cards. does anyone have any info on this?
thank you tim
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