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mike gallo
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Anytime you can involve the spectator in an effect...that is a plus for you. Coins across in a spectators hand is that...a plus, since it involves them. They will take more interest in the effect...the magic is stronger in their eyes due to the fact that it is happening in their hands...not yours. However, there is one down fall to this type effect. It only has maximum impact for small intimate audiences. A straight coins across will play better for a larger venue. You have instant visibility of the coin going across in your hands...no delay of the spectators trying to see it in someone elses hand. So what do you doin a situation like this...easy, learn at least one variation of each type method and chose accordingly to the size crowd you are working for!

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I'm glad that mike pointed out the potential problem with coins across in a spectator's hand. It's stronger for that spectator but can be potentially weaker for the rest of the audience if they can't see well enough to experience the magic.

In order to maximize the impact of this type of routine you ought to carefully choose the audience member who gets to have the magic happen to them. Someone who registers no surprise or amazement will diminish the effect while someone who is obviously amazed and enjoying the effect will make it seem bigger to the rest. Use David Blaine as an example here, the audience reaction can make the effects seem that much better.

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As long as the trick runs smoothly, transfering the coins from your hand to the spectators', is better than from your left hand, to your right. Of course their are a few exceptions.

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I am a strong advocate of Derek Dingle's Quick Silver. As I mentioned in other posts, he performed and I do as well, this effect with English pennies.

I perform this effect at least 30 times per week, and without doubt, it is one of the strongest effects possible. Impossible to figure out in the spectator's minds.

Re: Mike Gallo's comment about being limited to a more intimate audience...While I do agree in principle, I have performed this for groups of 20-25 people. Although I am sure that they can't all see the coins in the spectator's hand, they CAN see her visible reactions to the passage of each coin.

I also understand that Michael Weber has a version where he stands behind a spectator, focusing the attention on her facial reactions as each coin passes.

Although this trick is not easy to perform, and will take practice, it is worth it's "weight in gold" if you'll put in the time necessary.
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Mike,

I had to wait to reply when you first wrote this thread.

I think that coins across in a spectator's hand is just killer.

When you wrote this thread, I had a routine I was not ready to tip yet called "4 Coins, Your Hands". I just released Coinvanish Volume 2, which tips the work on it.

Here is an excerpt from Coinvanish Volume 2 regarding this routine, and my thoughts about this concept:

"“4 Coins, Your Hands,” is what I and a number of well respected professionals believe is one of the best Coins Across routines ever created. Why? From the spectators' perspective, all of the magic happens in the spectator’s hands. The coins vanish from their right hand and arrive in their left. I can find no stronger routine than to have ALL the magic happen in the hands of the spectator. In reality, the magic happens within a “sandwich” of my hands and the spectator’s hands. Since my hands only act as cover, she holds all the coins at the moment the coins apparently travel.

Previous routines have featured coins traveling from the magician’s hand to one of the spectator’s hands or to a glass. These routines contained the groundwork of techniques to cause a coin to travel to a place that was not simply the magician’s “other hand.” In most such routines the magician had to control the sending hand because he had to manipulate a gaff, or there was an inconsistency in the number of coins that needed to be concealed. In either circumstance, the magician needed to control the method in the “sending hand.” As a consequence, the spectator could not be both sender and receiver of the traveling coin. I believe having both the sending and receiving of the coins in the spectator’s hands during the entire routine to be a revolutionary improvement in the plot. My routine offers that breakthrough feature.

The appeal of this routine is that, from the audiences perspective, they are part of the magic. I cannot stress how strong this is in the mind of the spectator, it absolutely kills any idea of trick coins or sleight of hand, it all happens in their hands! How could it even be possible? They openly see the number of coins, they feel the coins in their hands, they hold all of the coins during each phase of the routine, and they can fully inspect the coins at the end of the routine. I show my hands empty after every coin transit. As I present the routine, they do the magic. They get the applause, they have the experience, yet they will have no clue how it is happening."
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Dan - wonderful write-up of your own effect Smile but is it a knuckle buster or easily doable with basic sleights by the average coinician - and is it ungaffed?
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I will speak for Dan here and say this is a great routine - a real "worker". It does use a gaff, but don't let that stop you. The moves in the routine are relatively easy and the payoff huge.
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It's easy to do. The only sleight needed is the Classic palm and the ability to pick up coins Smile. There is one gaff.
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Which gaff is required...
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Dan Watkins
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I just updated the writeup to spell out which common gaffs are needed in general, and which routines need gaffs - though I don't want to exactly spell out what gaff is used for each routine. I don't want to tip the specific methods publicly.
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Dan tipped the routine to me in its infancy. No doubt that it's a closer. The handling is superior. The power of the effect is devastating. I believe 4 Coins, Your Hands has set the bar very high for the coins across plot. It's about as interactive with a specator as it can possibly be. Since the magic happens in the spectators hands the reactions are off the chart.

Since Jamie Schoocraft made the gaff, I expect a long line to get one. Buy the book, get all of Dan's work. Order what you need before you have to wait a year!
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Bob,

Thanks for the kind words. I showed almost a year ago when I was in Vegas on business. The final version is a little bit more streamlined, but the general concept and structure remains the same.

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Dan,
Thanks for posting and for releasing the routine. I'll check it out!
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I think the covering with your hand can become suspicious if they think about it for a while, so I usually don't repeat it, and go on with the routine. If you say, do it in that position for all four coins, it would be pretty useless. Alternate methods between the dropping, muscle pass, dropping the coin softly without them noticing and use it as a delayed across as you direct their attention the the other hand, or add a coin while they hold the three coins in a fist, etc...

I wrote a routine using a shell and 4 halves that uses the spectator's hand for the online visions challenge, but I was too late so I didn't send it in anyway.
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The methods for routine where coins are both vanished from and made to appear in a volunteer's hands, where even the last coin made to vanish from their closed hand is pretty much described in Scot's Discoverie of Witchcraft.

I've seen David Roth's coins across done ON volunteer's hands since 1977, and Dingle's routine using purse palm done from about that same time onward.

Of course there is always room for improvement in making the trick more entertaining and the handling more streamlined and direct. I'm looking forward to a fresh take on the trick.
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Dan's version is a fresh take. I don't want to seem TOO enthusiastic, since I don't want anyone else doing the routine, but . . . you'll have to look for yourselves.

I agree that 4 coins can be redundant, and the covering the hands thing a little suspicious, but this routine really works best with 4 coins (and again, the magic is all happening in their hands).
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Jon,

You are correct; making a coin go to a spectator’s hand is pretty old. What I have done is actually make both the sending hand and receiving hand be the spectator’s. Meaning - I don't simply make the coins go across in my own hands first, and then dump the results into the spectator's. Rather, they see me drop the proper amount of coins into their one hand. I simply cover both of their hands with mine (not picking up the coins). When I remove my hands, one coin has traveled. It really freaks them out.

I believe that I have routined each transit so that momentum builds in the routine with each coin. In the book I specifically address this momentum.

I hope you like my solution.

Sincerely,

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Over the years I've used elements from Roger Klause "Triple Play", Paul Gertner's "Familiar Ring" and the David Roth coins across.

I've always used a ] for coins across and whether I do it from my hand to theirs or just into mine, I always end by giving them 3 and vanishing the fourth into their hand.

I like each coin across to be more impossible than the last so a combination of some into my hand and some into theirs works best for me.

I can't believe I never saw "Silver Quick" in the Derek Dingle book! I read it today and I like it too. Thanks for mentioning it.
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I have used coins across to the spectators and as a finish to a regular coins across and wouldn't think of leaving it out.
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Sounds good to me
I've just ordered coinvanish 2.......
where can I pick up the gaff required for 4 coins, your hands?
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