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Dan tipped the routine to me in its infancy. No doubt that it's a closer. The handling is superior. The power of the effect is devastating. I believe 4 Coins, Your Hands has set the bar very high for the coins across plot. It's about as interactive with a specator as it can possibly be. Since the magic happens in the spectators hands the reactions are off the chart.

Since Jamie Schoocraft made the gaff, I expect a long line to get one. Buy the book, get all of Dan's work. Order what you need before you have to wait a year!
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Bob,

Thanks for the kind words. I showed almost a year ago when I was in Vegas on business. The final version is a little bit more streamlined, but the general concept and structure remains the same.

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Dan,
Thanks for posting and for releasing the routine. I'll check it out!
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I think the covering with your hand can become suspicious if they think about it for a while, so I usually don't repeat it, and go on with the routine. If you say, do it in that position for all four coins, it would be pretty useless. Alternate methods between the dropping, muscle pass, dropping the coin softly without them noticing and use it as a delayed across as you direct their attention the the other hand, or add a coin while they hold the three coins in a fist, etc...

I wrote a routine using a shell and 4 halves that uses the spectator's hand for the online visions challenge, but I was too late so I didn't send it in anyway.
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The methods for routine where coins are both vanished from and made to appear in a volunteer's hands, where even the last coin made to vanish from their closed hand is pretty much described in Scot's Discoverie of Witchcraft.

I've seen David Roth's coins across done ON volunteer's hands since 1977, and Dingle's routine using purse palm done from about that same time onward.

Of course there is always room for improvement in making the trick more entertaining and the handling more streamlined and direct. I'm looking forward to a fresh take on the trick.
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Dan's version is a fresh take. I don't want to seem TOO enthusiastic, since I don't want anyone else doing the routine, but . . . you'll have to look for yourselves.

I agree that 4 coins can be redundant, and the covering the hands thing a little suspicious, but this routine really works best with 4 coins (and again, the magic is all happening in their hands).
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Jon,

You are correct; making a coin go to a spectator’s hand is pretty old. What I have done is actually make both the sending hand and receiving hand be the spectator’s. Meaning - I don't simply make the coins go across in my own hands first, and then dump the results into the spectator's. Rather, they see me drop the proper amount of coins into their one hand. I simply cover both of their hands with mine (not picking up the coins). When I remove my hands, one coin has traveled. It really freaks them out.

I believe that I have routined each transit so that momentum builds in the routine with each coin. In the book I specifically address this momentum.

I hope you like my solution.

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Over the years I've used elements from Roger Klause "Triple Play", Paul Gertner's "Familiar Ring" and the David Roth coins across.

I've always used a ] for coins across and whether I do it from my hand to theirs or just into mine, I always end by giving them 3 and vanishing the fourth into their hand.

I like each coin across to be more impossible than the last so a combination of some into my hand and some into theirs works best for me.

I can't believe I never saw "Silver Quick" in the Derek Dingle book! I read it today and I like it too. Thanks for mentioning it.
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I have used coins across to the spectators and as a finish to a regular coins across and wouldn't think of leaving it out.
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Sounds good to me
I've just ordered coinvanish 2.......
where can I pick up the gaff required for 4 coins, your hands?
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On 2005-01-21 19:33, tracematt wrote:
Sounds good to me
I've just ordered coinvanish 2.......
where can I pick up the gaff required for 4 coins, your hands?


Which version of the book did you get? I am guessing hardcopy? If you got the .pdf then you should know this answer.

I'd like to keep the details behind the methods to the routine off the public forums.

If you are just awaiting the hardcopy, shoot me an email or PM telling me who you are, and I'll be happy to give you the info in private (assuming I have you on record ordering it).

Thanks!

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It depends on the situation and how you are handling the spectators, if you are in a pub or in an alcoholic area, then best to do it in your hands. Jon Allen is one of the few routines I have seen I like using the spectators hand for the coins to travel, but then a gain is till prefer bob kohlers 3 fly. I am now, although I will probably be told it is a bad idea, working on a routine around them. I start off by using curtis kams production of dollars from beijing coins across, then do 3 fly, then do gary kurtz coin vanish. or I do basically gary kurtz misty like a dream opening, 3 fly, then vanish the coins in the same way of misty like a dream
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On 2005-01-22 06:05, Chuds wrote:
I am now, although I will probably be told it is a bad idea, working on a routine around them.


Why would that be a bad idea? Sounds like a good one to me. I use a production sequence and vanish sequence to frame my use of U3F.
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I have had a few magicians say it is bad because it takes away the magicalness of 3 fly itself, but I see it as the coins are doing all the magic not me. so they come from nowhere, move to anywhere, then vanish as easily as they came prooving it was an illusion all along
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On 2005-01-11 19:35, Bob Kohler wrote:
Dan tipped the routine to me in its infancy. No doubt that it's a closer. The handling is superior. The power of the effect is devastating. I believe 4 Coins, Your Hands has set the bar very high for the coins across plot. It's about as interactive with a specator as it can possibly be. Since the magic happens in the spectators hands the reactions are off the chart.

Since Jamie Schoocraft made the gaff, I expect a long line to get one. Buy the book, get all of Dan's work. Order what you need before you have to wait a year!




Bob, how would rate this with Ammar's Incredibble coins across?

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Chris,

The routines are structurally very different. Ammar's routine is 3 coins one at a time leaving his left fist and falling out of his right hand (or out of thin air) into the spectator's cupped hands. The magic occurs in his hands and the result is dumped into the spectator's hand. It is a superb routine, it is just entirely different from mine.

My routine is 4 coins one at a time leaving the spectator's right hand and arriving in their left hand. All of the magic occurs in their hands. I am not holding the coins in my own fists and just dumping the results. They see me drop the proper number of coins into their right hand. I simply cover their hands with mine, and a coin travels. For the last coin I choose to depart from this structure to have a coin travel from my fist to their closed fist simply because I felt it was more climatic. I do present two endings. One remains true to the construct, the other is the one I just mentioned.

I just wanted to make the differences clear, as for Bob's opinion of how they rate against each other, I will let Bob answer that since you directed it to him. But it is sorta comparing apples with oranges.
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The way Dan's routine builds as each phase get better/more visual/more fair really takes the audience to a place of deep mystery

Michael's routine is now a time honored classic. I think it's excellent but to me Dan's routine is superior.
The only change I made to Dan's routine is as you would expect I added the FK Holdout to elevate the handling of the last coin.

By the way, Dan's new book is a fun read that has much more to offer the serious coinworker. If you love coins it's a must have...
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I would just like to publicly add my praise for this book from Dan...I have already done so privately. This routine in particular is what you will be looking for to make them talk about you forever.

The clean shows in this handling are what make it so special. There are many GOOD handlings of coins across, but this one sets a new level of cleanliness.

Just to see Bob K. using it should tell you enough!

Keep the coins working,

Paul h.
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Thanks again for the compliments guys. I am glad the book and this routine are being recieved so well. The routine has been a favorite of mine for a while now.

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On 2005-01-23 14:51, Bob Kohler wrote:
I added the FK Holdout to elevate the handling of the last coin.

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Hi Dan - and others - just from reading this topic I will be ordering Dan's book.
I must admit on reading the heading of this topic "Which is stronger - coins across to your or spectator's hand?" I was expecting to find refrence to David Stones handlings of coins into the spectators hands as he shows a few strong examples of using this method.

Many thanks to all for the info in this topic, and to Mr Kohler thank you for your amazing contribution to coin work thus far....
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