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Stellan
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Sweden
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Posted: Nov 20, 2004 4:44am
Does anybody know who first came up with Six Card Repeat? I have not been able to track down the early history of this effect.
I also would like to know who first used the Elmsley Count for the handling. Was it Larry Jennings?
The reason I want to know is that I am currently working on an effect for the children's entertainer based on Six Card Repeat and need credits. I have found that it is one of few card effects that can engage smaller children. It really has a great potential for family comedy! Hopefully you can find it on our site soon.
I would be grateful for any information.
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Bananafish
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Simon Shaw, Suffolk, England
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Posted: Nov 20, 2004 7:49am
I seem to remember reading somewhere that this was originally a Tommy Tucker effect.
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Paul
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Posted: Nov 20, 2004 10:55am
Yes it is Tommy Tucker's. I have an exact reference for its first appearance in print in "Small But Deadly" where I have a section on the effect and variations, but don't have my copy to hand.
Paul.
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saturnin
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Posted: Nov 20, 2004 11:20am
Hi Stellan,
Larry Jennings only uses 4 cards (not six), which is based on Dan Garrett's routine.
The best performance/presentation I ever saw for the Six Card Repeat routine is by Patrick Raymond... purely outstanding!!!
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Ed Oschmann
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Posted: Nov 20, 2004 11:28am
I could be wrong about this, but I believe David Williamson was the first to use the Elmsley in this context. It is his handling that inspired Garretts.
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Bananafish
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Simon Shaw, Suffolk, England
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Posted: Nov 21, 2004 1:13pm
[quote="paul"]I have an exact reference for its first appearance in print in "Small But Deadly"[/quote]
Indeed that's where I read it! Looking in that marvellous book of paul's I see that Tommy Tucker invented it in the 20's and it first appeared in print in Eastman's "Expert Manipulative Magic" in 1936.
If you want a more comprehensive history of that little trick (and indeed most packet tricks) then I can't recommend "Small but Deadly" enough...
From the same book, Alex Elmsley did a version called "Five Card Sam" in the 1950's, I'm not sure though if he was using the Elsmely Count for it.
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Paul Chosse
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Posted: Nov 21, 2004 2:23pm
Might want to check the Tarbell Course, I seem to remember Clark Crandall's Routine appearing there... Might be some history associated with that description.
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Bill Palmer
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Posted: Nov 21, 2004 6:04pm
The best version I have ever seen of this is Ted Lesley's. I have seen him do this thing live both in German and in English. The surprise ending floors both magicians and lay audiences.
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Curtis Kam
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Posted: Nov 22, 2004 4:12am
Jim Steinmeyer related some of the history of the effect in his column for Magic magazine many years ago. From the tone of the article, he seemed to have some familiarity with Mr. Tucker, who, he related, was a little embarrassed by how enthusiastically his presentation had been taken up by magicians. Apparently, he really hadn't thought much of it.
Mr. Steinmeyer then offers a very clever routine that really kicks the magic up a notch.
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Fernando
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Posted: Nov 22, 2004 11:54am
I always hated the trick with a passion and thought it was corny and wouldn't fool anybody.
A famous magic dealer who was trying to help me at the time forced me kicking and screaming to learn the trick.
He was right.
Best thing I ever did.
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Pete Biro
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Posted: Nov 22, 2004 12:23pm
Tucker it is.
Using gaffed envelope cards makes it simple, but Eric Lewis' "natural count" is what I have used.
Crandall's routine is one of the best (see Tarbell).
Hard to beat Micheal Finney's PRESENTATION.
Senor Maldo (Aldo Maldanado) had a great way to count by literally throwing the cards from hand to hand in a very stylish way, wearing colorful wardrobe much like a Mariachi.
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JoaoPedro
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Posted: Nov 22, 2004 3:01pm
Just to make me clear, is that the same effect done by Juan Tamariz "Siempre 6" in which the magician counts 6 cards then takes off 3 of them and still counts 6, takes 3 more and counts 6 and so on, and so on until he counts 10? Is that the one? Thanks and sorry for the ignorance!
If that is the one I think that Tamariz has got a great routine! You know how he is. He's really funny and amusing yet one of the greatest magicians I've ever seen! His version uses the buckle.
João Pedro
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GoranS
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Posted: Nov 23, 2004 8:56am
I have always done the ""FIVE Cards Repeat" that I found in on of the Tarbells...
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Stellan
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Sweden
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Posted: Dec 13, 2004 3:19am
Thank you everyone. I really appreciate this possibility to get information about things from this knowledgeable forum.
If you want more information about the final outcome, the effect is now on our site. Scroll down the download section and you will find it under the somewhat strange name Black and Yellow Polka Dot Bikini. It really is a showpiece for the family entertainer, but also includes a somewhat adult version.
Thanks again for the help!
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hugmagic
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Posted: Dec 13, 2004 9:14pm
Tom Tucker did it first but he used a glide count which does not present as well on stage as many of the later version.
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Pete Biro
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Posted: Dec 14, 2004 2:01am
Pat Page combined the cards to pocket with the six card repeat for a KILLER routine... featured for years by Fred Kaps. It is in one of the Ganson books.
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