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Topic: Professor's Nightmare
Message: Posted by: Chris Calabrese (Sep 19, 2002 01:55AM)
I've seen a bunch of posts on the Professors Nightmare but none that answers my question. (I hope this post doesn't break the rules by giving too much away, I'll try to be as vague as possible.)

I've seen two ways to do the initial "move" in the PN. The first is to bring the small rope up and do "the move" at that point. The second is to bring the small rope up and position it normally between your index and middle finger, then you show the middle rope off by running it through your right hand and while you're doing that you drop your left hand and do "the move" at that point.

The first method is a little simpler to do and allows you to use both hands, leaving less room for error; the down side is everyone is looking right at your hands at that point, so they may pick up that you're doing something unnatural. The second method is a little more difficult and leaves more room for error, but you have the advantage of a) misdirection, because you're showing the middle rope diverting attention from your left hand, and b) your left hand is in motion making it more difficult to see.

What I want to know is, which way is prefered?
Message: Posted by: Scott F. Guinn (Sep 19, 2002 03:12AM)
I prefer a third way, created by James Lewis and taught on his Million Dollar Miracles video.
Message: Posted by: mike4dice (Sep 19, 2002 08:08AM)
You might want to look at "Professional Professor's Nightmare" by Bruce Kalver. His method allows for a very open display of all 6 ends just before the transformation.

mike :donut5:
Message: Posted by: Alan Munro (Sep 20, 2002 09:45AM)
Get "Daryl's Rope Routine". The Karrell Fox handling, that it details, is excellent!
Message: Posted by: Allen Gittelson (Sep 20, 2002 09:38PM)
I use the method shown in Daryl's rope routine also. I perform a version of that routine with some variations. Very strong. A cornerstone of my street set.

In thoughts,
Message: Posted by: cheaptrick (Sep 24, 2002 08:46PM)
On the initial move

I just do a little "flip". It looks natural, takes only an eyeblink.

Then I take time and deliberately
make the ends even.
Message: Posted by: stick (Sep 28, 2002 10:55AM)
The method on Daryl's rope video is by far the best method I have come across. It is easily worth the price of the video alone. This effect, done correctly, is very strong.

And I managed to come up with a great ending
inspired by Dan Harlan.
Message: Posted by: Epting (Sep 30, 2002 12:05PM)
Personally, I use the simple method with 2 hands at the beginning in my show, and I have no problems with the spectators ... you must have a certain entertaining to hide the secret move with this sort of method ...

Ludo .
Message: Posted by: steve proescher (Oct 1, 2002 05:05AM)
Paul Green has a nice move on "In the Trenches" dvd.
Message: Posted by: Victor Brisbin (Oct 21, 2002 03:17AM)
Wow, great suggestions. I think whichever approach to "the move" looks the most convincing to you (and your audience) should be the one you choose. Try them and decide, then you can develop the sequence through practice so that it looks natural. Good luck with your rope magic! :bwink:
Message: Posted by: Peter Marucci (Oct 21, 2002 04:28AM)
Victor is right, in his post, above:
Use whatever seems "right" for you.
If you asked me what move I used, I would be hard pressed for an answer, because it's one I have never seen before and it has become second nature to me.
Which raises another point:
It doesn't matter what move you do, as long as you are so comfortable with it that it is no longer a move!
In other words, only when you stop thinking of it as a "move", will you reach the right point of expertise in your handling.
Message: Posted by: Chris Calabrese (Oct 24, 2002 04:48AM)
Thanks everyone for your comments. I had actually put the ropes down for a while to concentrate on cards. Last week, in pursuit of card magic, I went to see one of the world's greatest card guys: Daryl. Other than the ambitious card routine, he did almost all rope magic. Naturally I'm very excited to be working on my rope routines again. Sheesh!
Message: Posted by: Daniel Faith (Dec 14, 2002 06:31PM)
Right on Peter!
I have my own move too that will remain nameless.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Dec 19, 2002 08:58PM)
Check Roger Sylwester's move in an old Heirophant... NOTHING BETTER. :wavey:
Message: Posted by: iSawThat (Jan 31, 2003 10:46AM)
I've read that Tim Wenk has an alternative handling (with a gimmick) that allows the audience to hold 3 equal lengths, and to even cut the rope themselves, with the same PN effect. Does anyone know where I might find this?
Message: Posted by: KingStardog (Jan 31, 2003 12:41PM)

Check the ALLmagic guide for the single cut sequence. A good set of pictures there.

A guy in the club, does an open swing and catch kind of move where the gimmic ends are shown in plain sight! While they are moving of course.

He said he learned this while working in a shop down in L.A. And the nightmare was a
"push" (high profit sale) item in the shop.
Message: Posted by: JamesinLA (Feb 1, 2003 03:07AM)
Per the move, I found one that works for me and it falls into the second type original mentioned above.
Per the Daryl's rope routine mentioned above, does anyone know which book or dvd it's on? Thanks.
Message: Posted by: Ron Reid (Feb 1, 2003 09:16AM)
Hi Jim:

The Karrell Fox move, which Daryl credits to him, is on Volume 8 of his ropes series. I think the video is called, "The White Rope" and is terrific...but all of Daryl's stuff is terrific!

Ron Reid
Message: Posted by: Alan Munro (Feb 2, 2003 01:14AM)
On 2003-02-01 04:07, JamesinLA wrote:
Per the move, I found one that works for me and it falls into the second type original mentioned above.
Per the Daryl's rope routine mentioned above, does anyone know which book or dvd it's on? Thanks.
Daryl's Rope Routine is a manuscript with a poster that has all of the photos of the routine.
Message: Posted by: JamesinLA (Feb 3, 2003 04:52PM)
Thank you Ron and Alan.