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Topic: Double-talk
Message: Posted by: Ideation (Feb 20, 2005 01:04PM)
Does anyone here use "double-talk" in his comedy? You know, comedy in which the performer uses either the wrong word or else a made-up word or otherwise incomprehensible word when he/she speaks? I find that to be hilarious if done well!
It seems that years ago there were more "double-talkers" performing, especially on tv, for example, Norm Crosby, although I'm not sure if his act technically falls into the category of "double-talk".
Message: Posted by: Mike Robbins (Feb 20, 2005 01:35PM)
I think the term is malapropism.
Message: Posted by: WhiteAngel (Feb 20, 2005 05:30PM)
I think that word is too big, lol
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Feb 20, 2005 06:44PM)
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On 2005-02-20 14:35, Mike Robbins wrote:
I think the term is malapropism.
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Malapropism, specifically, refers to the practice of using the WRONG word in place of another, especially because of the speaker confusing similar sounds. For example, " Yup. "Mozart was a child progeny!" (correct word is prodigy of course, but the speaker is blissfully unaware of this.)

You are correct, Norm Crosby did this alot, and centered his act around it.

Another one who used this device frequenty was good ol' Archie Bunker.

Another close relative of this is spoonerism, in which the beginning consonants are accidently exchanged. For example, the famous Archie campbell reciting of "Rindercella" which of course translates to "Cinderalla."

Paul Winchell used this device effectively in the old Speed Buggy Cartoons. He voiced a character, whose name escapes me at the moment, and the character was always spoonering in every scene. It was quite effective, and comical.

Now double talk, on the other hand, is using deliberately or unintelligible speech made up of a mixture of real and meaningless syllables.

I have long wished I could learn this, as it sounds like a lot of fun. There was at least one book written on the subject years ago, (I saw it in a mall) which I didn't purchase, but which I now wish I did.
Message: Posted by: spatrick (Feb 24, 2005 06:06PM)
Daffydoug,

Our club Treasurer has a couple of copies of this book in his magic shop. Let me know if you still want to get one.

S. Patrick
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Feb 26, 2005 07:18PM)
Do you have any idea how much he is asking for the book?
Message: Posted by: Levent (Feb 27, 2005 12:02AM)
The late Roy Benson used double talk patter as part of his "Chinese Sticks" and "Hydrostatic Glass" routines.

Levent
Message: Posted by: spatrick (Feb 27, 2005 04:19PM)
Doug,

I can find out!

S. Patrick
Message: Posted by: Arthur Cogg (Mar 1, 2005 02:48AM)
Although not a magician the late "Professor" Stanley Unwin was a master of the art of unintelligible talk. Some have compared his use of English to that of a Jazz musician's improvisation. There are plenty of sites about him on the web and a search I am sure would be worthwhile.
Message: Posted by: ziatro (Mar 6, 2005 04:54PM)
Malapropism comes from Sheridans play the rivals, in which the character Mrs Malaprop, consistently uses the wrong words. The English actress and comedian Hilda Baker was famous for her malapropisms.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Mar 6, 2005 09:24PM)
Used to have fun with double talk when I was kid. Go up to someone and ask them, "Do you know what time the wheggan thrill thrums?" or "Can you give me the sanafor for the apertaf?" "No, I'm talking about the quaffaree for the farragum, do you have that?"

And so on. . .

Jack Shalom
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Mar 10, 2005 09:29PM)
Good examples! Do you have any more?
Message: Posted by: C Christian (Mar 11, 2005 01:31AM)
This is very odd to me... I never use it in my show yet when talking with prospective clients face to face I use it all the time and get laughs which almost always seals the deal.
Play around with it and see what you can come up with...
Cheers Chris
Message: Posted by: Popo (Mar 11, 2005 01:17PM)
This is fun but it does take a lot of practice to do it correctly. There are the ones whos substitute funny and nonsense words for other words. Then there are the Malaprops. The substituted word should sound like the original word, have the same amount of syllables, and the meaning should tweak what you are saying just enough to make it hilarious. Do listen to Norm Crosby. He was a master at it. If you listen to the words he substitutes and then think about what he has actually just said it is even more funny than hearing a misplaced word!
Message: Posted by: The Village Idiots (Mar 12, 2005 01:16AM)
Ziatro.. Wow! Either you're full of it or your full of it. Knowledge?

I worked with Norm Crosby once and was able to watch his act from the audience. Funny stuff. How he comes up with such funny sounding words for such normal sounding words is impressive. The act I saw was pretty adult. Wonderful guy. I have a picture of him and Copper. That's my son's little stuffed dog that travels with me. He has been all over the place. His slide show is amazing. He's met Rich Little and Nipsy Russell on top of Mr. Crosby. Oh, and the Platters.

I also saw a guy on "Regis and what ever her name is now" that came on and did double talk as a gag on what's her face. He was supposed to be an expert on something and as he double talked what's her face was all agreeing with him. He was talking babble and she was like, "Uh huh" That is an art and funny in its place.

One is sprinkled throughout the routine as a punch line and was is the routine with babble mixed in with speech.

Will
Message: Posted by: Popo (Mar 12, 2005 10:05AM)
Will, Thanks for the insight. Norm Crosby was always one of my favorites when he was on the tonight show. I imagine it must be a hoot to work with him!
Message: Posted by: The Village Idiots (Mar 13, 2005 12:46PM)
The other thing I wanted to say about Mr. Crosby's act was the first thirty minutes was all topical humor. Things that were written in the past few months topical. Thirty minutes of it. What is he? In his late 70's? To have written or even just memorized that much material. God I hope I'm that sharp when I'm his age. I don't know if I'm that sharp now. Then he went to his more standard material for the next thirty minutes. Using his malaprops.

Will
Message: Posted by: Whitewolfny (Mar 13, 2005 09:21PM)
I had a bad case of malapropism, but I've been taking medication and it's almost completely cleared up now.
Message: Posted by: Scotty Mills (Mar 14, 2005 09:53PM)
And remeber, the only way to prevent getting parking tickets it to take you windscreen wipers off!
Message: Posted by: bsears (Mar 15, 2005 02:33PM)
I was out to dinner with a group of magicians in Chicago and a guy started doubletalking people. I had actually forgotten about it until now. I was one of the victims, and I can tell you it was embarassing at first, then fun when I realized what the deal was. Then more fun watching it happen to others.

I think its a knack kind of thing. Like speaking in a British accent when you are American or doing a realistic southern draw. Anyone could do it; only a few will be good enough to be convincing.

Yeah, its like gibberish sounds mixed in with real words. Done correctly the response, over and over, is "huh?" and "what?" until they either agree with you or give up.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Apr 3, 2005 10:43AM)
I would loved to have been there!
Message: Posted by: Bigmac (Apr 5, 2005 01:25AM)
There is an excellent set of audio tapes out by Doc Wayne which are double talk for magicians (and other speakers and entertainers). He teaches a number of double talk techniques as well as giving multiple examples.
Message: Posted by: Watercooler (Apr 5, 2005 04:41AM)
Is this supposed to be presented with a straight face? I imagine it is funnier when you look completely serious.
Message: Posted by: Vandy Grift (Apr 7, 2005 04:25PM)
I love Norm Crosby I saw him in the late 80's or so when he was at the pinochle of his career.

Victor Borge does kind of a funny bit with his "inflationary language" where words that contain numbers or groups of letters that sound like numbers are modified to the next highest number. Does anyone remember this. You look wonderful tonight becomes you look two-derful three-night. Or, he was a cap-eleven in the air five-ce.

My favorite was, instead of I ate a tenderloin, I nined an elevenderloin.

Vandy
Message: Posted by: Sonny Vegas (Apr 8, 2005 10:03AM)
Let's not forget the famous Leo Gorcey who made this a staple in the comedy world way back in the 30's and 40's.
Eastside kids/Bowery Boys Movies
Message: Posted by: teejay (Dec 20, 2005 04:22AM)
Hi All
I started a tread here

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=142513&forum=15&17&start=0#16

on the same topic
Please have look at it
Cheers
TJ
Message: Posted by: Eric Buss (Dec 20, 2005 01:46PM)
Politicians are the best double-talkers around... I think GW has written an entirely new dictionary hasn't he?

Done properly, it certainly adds a bit of creativity, and humor to an act.

Tom Burgoon (comedy magician from Missouri) has a brilliant and hilarious routine with a card trick where all the beginning letters are switched around in his patter... The ending is worth doing the trick for. It's called, "Dyslexic Card Trick" and it is available on his sebwite- http://tomburgoon.com/onlinestore.html
Message: Posted by: Tim Hannig (Jul 26, 2006 04:43PM)
I've told the story of "Rindercella" in my show for quite some time. I use a background track with music and sound effects created just for my story.

If interested check out my site or contact me privately.
Message: Posted by: Joey Evans (Aug 2, 2006 07:55PM)
Tim is your Rindercella any different aside from the sound effects than Archie Campbell's?
Message: Posted by: Bill Ligon (Aug 3, 2006 10:17AM)
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On 2005-04-07 17:25, Vandy Grift wrote:
I love Norm Crosby I saw him in the late 80's or so when he was at the pinochle of his career.



Vandy
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That was one of the funniest lines I have ever read! "PINOCHLE" of his career," indeed! I understand his act PLAYED well. And he used a special deck. :rotf:
Message: Posted by: Tim Hannig (Aug 3, 2006 10:57PM)
Joey,

Yes...basically what I am providing is the "soundtrack" that goes behind the story. I've found that it adds so much to have the music and sound effects.

The script is basically the same, and there are many funny spoonerisms to be found on the net.

All the best,
Tim
Message: Posted by: cheesewrestler (Aug 4, 2006 02:38PM)
MALAPROPISM: Using a similar-sounding wrong word. Example: "He is the very pineapple of politeness" (Instead of "pinnacle")

SPOONERISM: Exchanging the beginnings of words in a phrase to produce real words that are surreal and/or don't make sense together. Example: "You have deliberately tasted two worms!" (Instead of "you have deliberately wasted two terms (i.e., terms of the academic year).)

DOUBLETALK: Can be either speech that sounds like real words but isn't (Norm Crosby), or speech made up of real words that (mostly) don't make sense together (Professor Irwin Corey).
Message: Posted by: tomrav (Aug 11, 2006 01:22PM)
A friend and I used to double-talk in French. We would string random French words together and have each other in stiches! It's surprisingly much easier to double talk in another language!
Message: Posted by: leapinglizards (Aug 11, 2006 01:30PM)
I seem to recall a pamphlet style book called jargon-X years ago that was all about this kind of talk... Also saw an episode of That's Incredible or possibly Real People that had an older gent who used to do this quite well and effectively foible cashiers and folks in the public.

In schizofrenics, it used to be called Word Salad-
Message: Posted by: corpmagi (Aug 30, 2006 04:11PM)
Durwood Fincher. One of the funniest corporate acts I've seen. Some great videoclips on his site.

http://www.doubletalk.com
Message: Posted by: kOnO (Aug 30, 2006 07:48PM)
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On 2006-08-30 17:11, corpmagi wrote:
Durwood Fincher. One of the funniest corporate acts I've seen. Some great videoclips on his site.

http://www.doubletalk.com
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WoW!!!
Thanks for the link, what a great lesson in comunications.

kOnO
Message: Posted by: kOnO (Aug 31, 2006 08:36PM)
I went to the doctors yesterday for my yearly physical.

I didnít know my doctor was interested in magic until he asked me how my ball movements were.
I told him that my French Drop was okay but I was having a little trouble with my Final Load.
He told me to bend over so he could rectal-fry the situation.

In the end it turned out to be a really crappy day.

kOnO




ps please be kind it's my 1st try at this
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Aug 31, 2006 08:41PM)
I do a complete cups and balls routine using doubletalk.
"You place the drammus on the freeboid and completely renfo the cabalindo" (and on and on).
Message: Posted by: The Great Smartini (Feb 24, 2009 09:42PM)
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On 2006-08-31 21:41, Pete Biro wrote:
I do a complete cups and balls routine using doubletalk.
"You place the drammus on the freeboid and completely renfo the cabalindo" (and on and on).
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Does anyone know if Pete's routine has been put in print? It sounds like just a wonderful presentation frame for a magic routine.

jeff