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Topic: Igniting flash paper
Message: Posted by: Ross W (Feb 28, 2005 05:21PM)
I'd like to ignite flash paper in a dove pan, but without resorting to matches, cigarette lighters etc. Touching it with a wand would be fine but I'd prefer no visible flames. Are there such methods?

Thanks all!
Message: Posted by: ClouDsss (Feb 28, 2005 07:25PM)
Get a Wand that can shoot flames :) Think they sell such stuff..seen in somewhere berfore

Message: Posted by: Daegs (Feb 28, 2005 08:14PM)
Check out the Igniter by Jim Pace, it is basically silent electronic ignition that vanishes.

You would have to touch it with your hand, but then it could be immidiatly shown empty afterwards.

However, if you are going to do it in a dove pan, just have something burning in the dove pan(like those sticks that they give out to light fireworks, they burn with barely any smoke and will stay hot for a good long time) and just touch the flash paper to it.
Message: Posted by: Ross W (Mar 1, 2005 04:42AM)
Thanks for the suggestions, but neither hits the mark.
1.It's towards the end of the show so I can't have something already burning in the pan (which has to be shown empty anyway)
2. I can't afford a Jim Pace Igniter!
3. I'm not sure about a bang wand...it's for little kids.

I know I'm fussy, but anything else?

Thank you!!
Message: Posted by: bunkyhenry (Mar 1, 2005 07:48AM)
Try those little playing card sized gimmiks with the hot coil
might leave it in the bottom of the metal pan and touch paper to it
Message: Posted by: James Bateman (Mar 2, 2005 09:16PM)
MagicSmith Pyromaniac or a House of Fire gimmick called Wanna Flash would work. You can mount either unit in tje secret load chamber of the dove pan, press it to get fire, and show your hands empty. Pyromaniac lights flash paper and wanna flash lights just the cotton. It depends on the type of flash you want.
Message: Posted by: blsorg (Mar 5, 2005 11:56AM)
You can have a small lighter (electronic type) already in the dish area of the dove-pan... then palm it out while showing the pan empty and light your flashpaper. As soon as the object is produced and you are removing it, just drop the lighter back into the dish area.
Message: Posted by: Mystician (Mar 6, 2005 02:38PM)
Look for Jim Pace's Flaming Comic Book , you could remove the gimmick and lay it flat at the bottom of the dove tray, (drop it in however you'd like) and use the wand to press the "trigger" (no click or anything like that involved), and boom.
This effect is very inexpensive compared to the igniter.

Or, modify your dove pan by cutting a small hole just offsides from the bottom and stick a lighter up in there :)
Message: Posted by: boboshempy (Mar 6, 2005 03:29PM)
You can rigg a BBQ sparker to throw a spark but you will have some clicking.
Message: Posted by: Mystician (Mar 6, 2005 04:11PM)
On 2005-03-06 16:29, boboshempy wrote:
You can rigg a BBQ sparker to throw a spark but you will have some clicking.

Yeah, but do those things ever work ? lol
Message: Posted by: SenseiStrange (Mar 6, 2005 10:24PM)
I have tries to electric spark from lighters. It has never worked for lighting flash paper, and it makes a loud click. It makes a really loud click.
Message: Posted by: Nick Wait (Mar 7, 2005 01:42PM)
Please be careful, try buying a product available. Don't try making one. If you can't afford it don't do it. This is to risky and not to metion unethical. For everyones sake don't experiment with fire.
Message: Posted by: Ross W (Mar 9, 2005 08:16AM)
Nick - thanks, mum. I'll make sure there's a grown-up helping me. (And how is experimenting with different ways of igniting flash paper unethical, exactly?) Tsk.

Thanks foe the tips on the BBQ sparker: I'd guessed that it might not work but it's nice to have it confirmed.

I've now done a search for Wanna Flash: it ain't gonna help me, but a thing called The Pen (Magic Warehouse) is, I think, what I need. It ignites flash paper with a touch, no flame. I suspect it might house one of those "flameless" gas lighters - anybody care to enlighten (ha!) me?
Message: Posted by: Mystician (Mar 12, 2005 09:18PM)
Hmmm.... I'm dreaming up ways I could make my own "the pen".
I'm not sure how they make theirs', but if you take a $2 penlight, remove the bulb and solder a little loop of nichrome wire there instead, just slightly extending beyond the tip of the pen .. of course, it wouldn't look like a normal pen, ..or would it ?
Message: Posted by: Daegs (Mar 13, 2005 03:00AM)
They might just heat the end of the pen up a ton...

"not to metion unethical"

Again, how is playing around with igition sources unethical?

I still say go low tech with the firework things...

They are like incense with no smoke or smell, they are brown and come free with most fireworks.... they stay lit and hot for a long time... can leave inside dovepan and with a touch will set it off.
Message: Posted by: Lou Hilario (Mar 13, 2005 12:15PM)
Go to a joke shop and buy those little fireworks that explode when you throw them. They look like miniature garlic. I used to palm and throw them hard in my duck pan which had a little lighter fluid on it. It looked like I lighted the pan magically.
Message: Posted by: blsorg (Mar 13, 2005 12:15PM)
Making up the pen isn't unethical...
If you make them and sell them, then it becomes unethical.
Message: Posted by: Mystician (Mar 13, 2005 12:48PM)
At this point, I'm not entirely convinced that walsall knows what ethical means.
He might have meant, "practical". Whatever.

I like the idea that Lou Hilario came up with, that's brilliant !
Some of them are always going to be duds, it seems like about 1 in 5, but if you throw two of them at a time, you should be covered.
Message: Posted by: Daegs (Mar 13, 2005 02:34PM)
Why is making up a pen that has the end heat up unethical?

Last time I checked, no one "invented" making a common device heat up....

Just like it wouldn't be unethical to make up your own Svengali decks or flash paper(if you knew the process), it isn't unethical to make and sell a heating up pen if you really wanted to.
Message: Posted by: Mystician (Mar 13, 2005 06:32PM)
I found a link which may be of interest to you.
In fact, the whole website, probably.

This product is called "Touch It", and does what you want - you just touch the flash paper, and off it goes.

In fact, that's all this company does, make fire effects - 8 pages of them, including the pen. It's run by Rick and Rachelle Haslett, and all the effects are electronic , using only flash paper or cotton. No flint wheels or flints, ever, and not even lighter fluid as far as I can tell.
Message: Posted by: Ross W (Mar 14, 2005 04:20PM)
Hey now THAT'S what I'm looking for! Thanks a lot Mystician - I'll give them a call.
Message: Posted by: blsorg (Mar 14, 2005 08:04PM)
I've purchased a couple of items from Rick Haslett.
He's a very helpful guy... and offers fast service also!