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Topic: Snowstorn in China Patter?
Message: Posted by: MagiCat (Mar 13, 2005 07:51PM)
Hello!

Firstly, it was suggested that a good "Closer" to an upcoming Living Room show would be Snowstorm in China (its a relative's house, they wouldn't mind the mess).

So, two questions:

1. Where can I get the basic routine, with the snow/fan
2. Where can I get killer patter?

Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Darkwing (Mar 13, 2005 07:59PM)
You can get the props from [url=http://www.mondomagic.com]Mondo Magic[/url]. The basic routine is in Tarbell Vol. 1. It is a good frame work for the routine but you need to make the rountine your own.
Message: Posted by: Brent McLeod (Mar 13, 2005 08:33PM)
Hocus Pocus has a good version with all you need plus instruction!!

Type in "snowstorm" in the search engine

This effect plays very well with nice music in the background-you don't need to say a word as it is a visual stunning trick-still will give you a great ending to your performance
Message: Posted by: icentertainment (Mar 14, 2005 08:24AM)
Here's a thought for mindreading

You do your mind reading bit and then you write your prediction on a piece of paper

you get it wrong and tear it up and snowstorm the pieces. the audience catches the pieces and on every single piece are the tiny words that match the prediction

WOW Mind reading and manipulation combined add a flourishy ending to a mind reading trick

Now gotta find a small printer.
Message: Posted by: shan (Mar 14, 2005 09:47AM)
Heh heh, you could always go with the patter given in Tarbell's Course. :P

I have only seen a few Snowstorm performances, and all were done pantomime, except for Carl Andrew's version, which has a great emotional hook to it. But even Carl Andrew's Snowstorm would probably be considered pantomime, I think?

Anywayz, DarkWing is right... Unfortunately that's also my biggest problem right now >.<

Regards,
Shan
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Mar 14, 2005 12:56PM)
The one Dai Vernon used is published in a little booklet called 'Select Secrect'. It is also explained by Ganson in the book by Supreme Magic, The Magic of Facette Ross.
Message: Posted by: Darkwing (Mar 14, 2005 06:09PM)
Using the patter in Tarbell might be a little of a strech for most of us ("On my last trip to China....").
Message: Posted by: MagiCat (Mar 14, 2005 06:25PM)
I actually went to ChinaTOWN in San Francisco a few years back ... thinking of starting from there ;)
Message: Posted by: Arkadia (Mar 15, 2005 09:58AM)
Jeff McBride on his dvd's Magic on stage has a basic pattern. Its a good routine.

I would combine the snowstorm with snow powder.

/Ark
Message: Posted by: icentertainment (Mar 18, 2005 12:57PM)
Do you need patter???
Message: Posted by: Magical Dimensions (Mar 18, 2005 08:14PM)
Icentertainment,
Do you have a patter to offer?

Ray
Message: Posted by: sugam (Mar 18, 2005 08:22PM)
I forgot whose routine was it I saw without patter and just music. And it was pretty nice. Traditional way with torn paper, bowl of water, etc. Have to mime, act, and stress well though.
Message: Posted by: icentertainment (Mar 19, 2005 09:16AM)
Sugram- The Jeff McBride routine on aaaaah VOL 3 of his stage show has him dressed in his asian garb doing a silent snowstorm (mmmmit could be vol 2)

I don't have patter for my mind reading snowstorm because I don't do it
it was just a thought

sorry,

(I can't find a printer small enough)

Dave
Message: Posted by: chris randall (Mar 20, 2005 02:45PM)
When you buy kevin james snowanimator you are able to use his patter. Kevins lead in is the best I ve ever seen. Check it out.
Message: Posted by: sugam (Mar 20, 2005 06:55PM)
Iceentertainment - oh yeah, I forgot about McBride's routine that is also silent. I'm thinking of someone else that did something like that... maybe it was on the PBS Art of Magic special. I like it without patter and just music. The audience isn't quite sure what's going to happen next.
Message: Posted by: Magic Enhancer (Jan 2, 2006 03:07PM)
For patter......hmmm..you can say something you used ot do magic in hospitals and one kid who was an invalid wanted one wish, to see snow...he lived in Florida. Tell him you were going to ake his wish come true, but when you returned to hospital the next day he didn't make it through the night..Dedicate the trick to the kid, telling him that it's snowing. The patter for this effect is about 5 full minutes.

I know I'll receive some criticism because the story may not be true, but it really plays on the audiences emotions. Just hope the audience didn't see my show (thats the one I use) then see yours. They'll be wonderign if it was the ame kid. Lol.

Hope this helps

Haas
Message: Posted by: magic4u02 (Jan 2, 2006 08:13PM)
Just my personal opinion but that using emotional repsonse is a great idea however, when you use it, you really shouldn't use it in such a negative fashion. By saying that the kid did not make it is such a sad and terrible thing, that the magic simply can not make up for it. You want emotional response but obatin it in a bit of a better fashion.

Why have the kid pass away when you can have the magic that you created for him give him the energy and the ability to truely beleive that anything was possible and gave that child the gift and will to get better. Now you get an emotional response that is double what you intended. The story gets the audience feeling good and the magic gets lifted up more because of that. It is a win-win situation if done in that manner.

I also strongly think that you can indeed use other magicians to inspire you, but do not be too tempted to use their music, their movements and their patter.This only creates magic clones and we have too many of them already. Step outside of the magic world to get your creativity from. Use the world around you and your own unique personality to create something that fits YOUR personality on stage and that makes your magic as unique as you are.

Sure it is easy to go and purchase or find a routine or patter, but why? Other then that fact that it is easy and convenient, isn't it really it really just an exscuse not to really get more involved in your own magic? Just because a routine works for another magician, does not mean it is going to work for you, your character, your stage personna or your intended market.

I would much rather spend the time to be inspired by other performers but then leave it at that. I then go out and try and create a routine that works best for myself and my wife and the audiences we are performing for.

I know I am different and I am unique just as everyone here is. I also know what I can get away with and what I can not. I have a certain personality on stage that only works for me because I have found out who I am and even more importantly, who I am not. For me, I could not go out and do power magic or try and become a Lance Burton. It just doesn't work for me and for who I am on stage.

With this in mind, I would take an effect like snowstorm and I would research various methods and use my library to research these ideas and what others have done. I would then put all of that way and start brainstorming and thinking outside of the box to create something different and unique that works around who I know I am and who my market is for.

I also must make sure I am never putting in or creating a routine just because I like it myself. The magic I do has to be for the entertainment value of my audience and just because I love an effect, does not mean it is right for who I am sharing it with.

I strive then to not look at the prop and create the magic around it. I think in reverse. I try to think of the magical storyline, the plot or essence of what I want my audiences to experience. I then work inwards from that point and I find my magic becomes much more creative that way.

So think outside of the norm with your routine for snowstorm. Think of something that fits your character and perhaps is a story from your childhood or your past. The ideas are limitless if you just open up yourself to thinking in a more creative fashion.

Just my two cents worth is all.

Kyle
Message: Posted by: Magic Enhancer (Jan 2, 2006 10:18PM)
Kyle,

Excellent advice. That is the true essence of magic. We must NEVER forget that the people who pay our salaries are the end-user. The customer if you will. Therefore, we must create something specialfor themn. It must be special so it is unique to you. If every magician had the same style and same "bag of tricks" then the whole individuality and uniqueness of ones style would be lost.

The first step in putting together a routine that will last is finding out who you are, and what you want to achieve.

My 3 cents worth :)

Haas
Message: Posted by: magic4u02 (Jan 2, 2006 10:37PM)
Haas:

Thank you. I just feel that too many magicians like to take the easy way out because it is just hat.. easy and convenient. Why be creative and use hard work when I can just go out there and buy a routine or mimic one I have seen someone else do?

I think the artform of magic is lost if one takes that approach. To me part of the excitement of magic, is in the creative process. It is coming up with a routine that fits your style and is unique to you and that truly entertains your audience in the way you intended it to. There is great satisfaction in that and it tends to make your magic stronger.

Kyle
Message: Posted by: David Bilan (Jan 3, 2006 10:17AM)
Haas,

I agree with Kyle, The kid not making it is a downer. What has happened in your own life which would lend itself to the magic of indoor snow? Thinking of a special holiday? A trip up North? A snowstorm which kept you home for a week?
Do you have a son/daughter, little brother/sister or neighbor that needed magic in their life?

Kyle is right about making the magic your own and creating an effect with your audience in mind. I'm more believable speaking about something that actually happened in my life and it much simpler to sell the audience and have them come along for the mystery.

David
Message: Posted by: Regan (Jan 3, 2006 10:51AM)
I agree with Kyle also. I have seen people with tears in their eyes after my snowstorm routine, but it is a touching routine, not a sad one. I believe my routine evokes childhood memories in people and thus causes 'good' tears. If it were causing sadness, I would change it. I have had many, many positive responses about my routine, even from the ones that shed tears, so I think it is ok. Mine patter is based on a true story that happened to me, so it is a very personal routine that has a special meaning for me.

Regan
Message: Posted by: magic4u02 (Jan 3, 2006 08:18PM)
What Regan jjust described is the perfect example of what I refer to as a personality piece in your show. It is something that evokes a positive emotional response in the mind and hearst fo your audiences. If done right, it allows the audience to see the magician as one of their own. It allows the audience to feel that the magician shares the same pains, love and joy as the audience does. In this fashion, then the audience conects with the performer on a much more personal level. It allows the magician to break down the barrier between stage and audience and draws the crowd inward and not outward.

The right personality piece can leave an audience with a feeling of not only wonder but a feeling of joy and tears of joy. It can also make a difference in your show if done correctly.

This is not to say that the snow storm in China has to be a personality piece. It certainly does not have to be. However, if you do want to go this route, your best bet is to do as David suggested by tapping into your own childhood and your own memories for inspiration. We all have experiences that we went through that can be shared on the stage in a magical fashion.

If you do not choose to go this route with the Snowstorm routine, then one must still be willing to go out there and think and be creative. Think outside of the box and not mimcking what has already been done before.

Some great ideas can really come from the strangest of places if you just allow yourself to see beyond the norm. Culture and the world you live in can be very inspiring to creativity. I try and keep a notebook around with me so that I can always write down ideas as things come to me. I even have one near my nite tableso that I have started capturing ideas from dreasm before I forget them. They may not always make sense then and there, but they can be useful later on to create magic that is as unique as you are.

A perfect example of this is what McBride has told me he does. Jeff is constantly writing and taking notes in his journals and notebooks. These are thoughts and ideas on everything and anything. His lotta bowl routine is a thing of pure beauty. What he didn't do was the norm. He looked beyond the obvious to first NOT think of the prop and work outward, but started with the theme or story or plot and worked inwards.

In doing so, he creates a compelling story that has magic at it's core. However, by doing so, he adds more layers that the audience can really grab a hold of. The audience can now feel for this character and understand the story and magic takening place even without a single spoken word. His use of pantomime and music all integrate to create a total and unique magical experience.

Challenge yourself to look beyond what you think you are capable of doing. Creativity does not come easy to some, but it can be learned. It is just like anything, it takes practice and the art of DOING to become better at it. Push yourself and create magic that is new and refreshing and your audiences will thank you for it.

Kyle
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Jan 6, 2006 08:58PM)
At the Magic Castle Awards some years ago, I did a routine with Cary Grant and the snowstorm was the closing bit.

Nixon had just returned from China and I picked up a roll of toilet paper that I had put chinese letters on... and said, "Cary knows Nixon and he gave him a roll of toilet paper he picked up in China...."

I then tore off half a dozen peices and tore them up, dipeed 'em in water, picked up a fan and started to fan like crazy.

Nothing happened (being all magicians in the audience) I said, "By now the stage is usually filled with confetti..."

AND BOOM.

From above enought "confetti" SNOW? came down that all you could see was my head sticking up out of a 5 foot deep pile of snow!

With Cary Grant standing next to me... the sad part? The guy taking photos laughes so hard he spilled his drink on his camera and the lens was screwed up and the photos are almost unintelligible.... argh.
Message: Posted by: RandyStewart (Jan 7, 2006 12:25AM)
Now that's a hell of a story Pete!
Message: Posted by: magic4u02 (Jan 7, 2006 02:45PM)
Hehehehe That is awesome. I would just hate to be the poor guy who has to clean up after that hehe. thanks Pete for making my day.

Kyle
Message: Posted by: owln_1 (Jun 10, 2008 08:00AM)
I just bought a snow storm off ebay, but I'm have not tried this before I know there's a lot of different ones made, does anyone know are heard of this one? and is it any good? I've been wanting to do this effect for along time now, and have been get things together for it, even have a snow machine to use with it if all works out ok. also could someone recommend which snow storm is the best are they like best. there description of what I bought. ( We supply you ten special Snow Storm Tablets. Each Tablet has about 2000 tissue paper "snow flakes" in a compact tablet ) I have never heard of the tablets before, only packages. Thanks ahead for your input. Owln_1
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Jun 11, 2008 10:03PM)
Simon Lovell has something interesting on his Lovell Live video involving ripping up something. Perhaps.... It would be a comedy bit, in this case.
Message: Posted by: Big Daddy Cool (Oct 5, 2008 07:30PM)
The single best story for the Snowstorm is in the Book Theatrical Magic by John Pyka - available at http://www.theatricalmagic.net
Message: Posted by: Darkwing (Oct 5, 2008 10:26PM)
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On 2008-06-10 09:00, owln_1 wrote:
I just bought a snow storm off ebay, but I'm have not tried this before I know there's a lot of different ones made, does anyone know are heard of this one? and is it any good? I've been wanting to do this effect for along time now, and have been get things together for it, even have a snow machine to use with it if all works out ok. also could someone recommend which snow storm is the best are they like best. there description of what I bought. ( We supply you ten special Snow Storm Tablets. Each Tablet has about 2000 tissue paper "snow flakes" in a compact tablet ) I have never heard of the tablets before, only packages. Thanks ahead for your input. Owln_1
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Owln,

The better snowstorm loads are made by Larry Maples and Mondo Magic. I have also bought loads from Seo Magic and they are excellent. I do Snowstorm In China routine in each of my shows and the reaction is always positive.

David
Message: Posted by: magic4u02 (Oct 7, 2008 05:43PM)
I still say that the best patter for the snow storm is qyuite simple. It is the one YOU yourself create. You must be willing to think outside of the box and find patter that fits you and who you are on stage. No one knows you and your show and your character better then you do.

We all have the ability to be as crfeative as we want to be. We just have to exercise our creativity and creative patter is one way in which to do it. Instead of buying patter or using someone elses, go out there and work on patter that really fits you.

Certainly many people here could GIVE you patter, but that is the easy way out and it may not also fit who you really are. Instead work on patter yourself and really dive in to what you want to say to the audience and what reactions are you trying to give to the audience.

It may take longer to develop, but your audiences are worth it and will thank you for it.

Kyle