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Message: Posted by: Elmagic32 (Mar 14, 2005 06:26PM)
What trick would you pull from your arsenol on someone who really wants to know if you can do magic and is a heckler and just blow him away. I like In a Flash by Jay Sankey, B Wave, and NFW. Any other ideas???
Message: Posted by: irishguy (Mar 14, 2005 06:39PM)
On 2005-03-14 19:26, Elmagic32 wrote:
What trick would you pull from your arsenol on someone who really wants to know if you can do magic and is a heckler and just blow him away. I like In a Flash by Jay Sankey, B Wave, and NFW. Any other ideas???

For me, personally, if someone is a heckler and they want to see "real" magic, then there is no way I would bust out a gimmick. I would want everything to be examinable.
Message: Posted by: Larry Barnowsky (Mar 14, 2005 07:53PM)
I agree. Do an effect with ordinary props which can be examined. A ring off cord effect, Cardwarp, sponge balls etc. I almost always have four silver dollars with me so I will usually do an effect from my repertoire such as Digestible Coins, Boomerang Coins, or Four Coins To Pocket.
Message: Posted by: pepka (Mar 14, 2005 08:36PM)
I like to finish with a color changing deck, vanishing deck, or an anniversary waltz type of routine I do based on Seth Kramer's blank ambition.
Message: Posted by: Leeman (Mar 15, 2005 02:51AM)
Well if you have a trouble spectator in the audience that wants to be the center of attention then you would not want to go up against him/her unless you are very very confident in you material and your ablilty to change things up on the fly. Because as soon as you make it a competition that you can fool him/her then they will be watching a lot closer just trying to bust you. A common idea that I have heard and/or read from many workers is that if a spectator wants to be the center of attention then do a trick that makes him/her the star. Now as for the part about trying to prove that you can do real magic that opens up an entire different problem. It determines what your idea of real magic is. I personally never claim any supernatural power or anything of the sort, I see and use magic as a vehical to entertain. So I would never try to prove that I could do real magic, such as being able to really float an object or make something dissapear, I would rather choose one of my most entertaining routines. I would use something like card to forehead, chop cup, or cards across. But if you want to prove that you can do real supernatural things then I would suggest mentalism or spoon bending since I think people would be more willing to believe that these things are real. Espicially since they can't look towards the props for answers to how the magic worked.
Message: Posted by: Vraagaard (Mar 15, 2005 03:08AM)
If a heckler is at the table I will choose one of the following 5 effects leaving him no where to go to find the solution.

1) Ring and string symphony (Jay Scott Berry and Gregory Wilson Style endning with the ring penetrating the string and ending upon a magic wand held by the spectators) - purely sleigh of hand effect.

2) Card Warp, Roy Walton

3) Borrowed and signed bill to borrowed cigarette (Richard Osterlind)

4) Vanishing a lit cigarette directly in your fist, or in a handkerchief if you prefer that version.
Message: Posted by: warren (Mar 15, 2005 07:20AM)
For situations like this I like jay sankey's mr clean coins across however I would just shorten my time with this type of group and move on to another group as I'm not in to challenge magic.
Message: Posted by: pikacrd (Mar 15, 2005 08:01AM)
On 2005-03-14 19:26, Elmagic32 wrote:
What trick would you pull from your arsenol on someone who really wants to know if you can do magic and is a heckler and just blow him away. I like In a Flash by Jay Sankey, B Wave, and NFW. Any other ideas???

I would reach into my arsenal and pull out a swift kick right between his L***. No just kidding for the heckler I like to do the following:

Dr. Daley’s Last trick
Crazy Man's Handcuffs
Twisting the Aces
Card Warp
And a few other classics

I have found that working the classics on this type of personality really takes them off of there game. I am not sure why that is because the spectator should not be aware of any moves regardless of if you were doing a trick created yesterday or 200 years ago. I just think that it has something to do with the timing of the trick and relation to the patter. Who knows but it works for me.
Message: Posted by: khuber (Mar 15, 2005 10:36AM)
Card Ward and Predicta
Message: Posted by: Rik Taylor (Mar 15, 2005 10:47AM)
No gaffs or gimmicks, let them touch what you use.

It's very hard to get caught with the Crazy mans handcuffs.
Message: Posted by: twistedace (Mar 15, 2005 11:08AM)
For the heckler - I usually catch their eye and say we're going to work together on this to make some magic happen. They usually get the message and stop. If they don't and they are really heckling bad...which really doesn't happen to me often at all thank god, I simply thank the table for their time and tell them to enjoy their meal. The other people at the table know why I left and then they are upset with the heckler.

As far as routines? You need surefire stunners - card on ceiling (I work in a restaurant that allows me to do this), anniversary waltz, chop cup with 2 jumbo loads, card to wallet or kennedy's mystery box.
Message: Posted by: rikbrooks (Mar 15, 2005 11:35AM)
Ummm, for a heckler? I just move on. Life is too short.
Message: Posted by: gandalf (Mar 15, 2005 11:38AM)
Card Warp
Presto Printo (because everthing is examinable)
A nice Cups and Balls Routine
Cannibal Cards
Message: Posted by: Corey Harris (Mar 15, 2005 12:00PM)
Message: Posted by: magicsteve99 (Mar 15, 2005 11:18PM)
I find that there is more than one type of heckler and it matters as to how I respond. In every case, the best approach is to give in gracefully. You are hired to make the restaurant look good, not yourself. Here are some typical situations: First, the heckler is good natured. I will try to engage this type in conversation without doing any magic for a while. I have also offered to take a request, when I felt that the individual was not really a mean heckler.

Second is the mean heckler. Generally the sooner you can exit gracefully, the better. The only time I may joust with a mean heckler is when the party is large and it seems that they will support me over the heckler. Even so, I suggest you find a more interested group.

The one type I always avoid (when I recognize the situation) is the jealous boy friend. You can really get into serious trouble here, especially when the party has been drinking. I hope it is obvious that you should never be drinking while working.

Just a few stray thoughts.
Message: Posted by: GlenD (Mar 16, 2005 06:26PM)
I tend to agree with Tex Austin, I don't feel it my responsibility or obligation to trick the heckler or "get him".
If someone doesn't want to enjoy it or "believe" or whatever then they are free to not be entertained.

But to offer up a legitimate answer to the question... I would consider OOTW... let them do everything and end up blown away at the outcome of that one!

Message: Posted by: Whit Haydn (Mar 16, 2005 06:53PM)
Chicago Surprise. This is what it was created for, and what it wants to do.
Message: Posted by: daaaave (Mar 29, 2005 10:18PM)
Card Warp
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Mar 29, 2005 11:05PM)
Perhaps Eddie Fechter's "That's It".

But you're probably best off practicing Rik Brooks' advice up a ways.
Message: Posted by: Scott F. Guinn (Mar 30, 2005 02:58AM)
Dunbury Delusion or Card on Forehead. Something where he thinks I've blown it and then he sees I didn't. Use his overconfidence against him! Definitely nothing with gaffs or gimmicks, though. All you need is for him to grab that trick card or coin, and...
Message: Posted by: kinesis (Mar 30, 2005 03:24AM)
The appearing fist on nose trick LOL
Message: Posted by: 718jbpr (Apr 3, 2005 09:24PM)
Any method of triumph does it for me
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Apr 5, 2005 12:51PM)
Guinn... you beat me to it. Those will kill the sucker.
Message: Posted by: Roger Kelly (Apr 5, 2005 06:14PM)
Burnt and restored (in the mouth) string
Message: Posted by: johnjack (Apr 5, 2005 08:59PM)
Lol, LOL Lol .....I am still laughing with the fist on the nose trick..where can I buy that one? I love stealing watches from these guys, if possible. They are so focused on your hands. I usually do some sleights with an ordinary quarter(from 1 hand to the other) and tell them I can even do it in their hands. They burn your hands so badly, and glinch their fist so tightly, with a little bit of talking, you take their watch right off. I like doing this to the 13year old bar-mitvah hecklers( I am not sure if it would be a good idea to do this to a grown man, it might insult his intelligence then you look like the guy who is trying to make him look like a jerk. I personally love sponge balls and the invisible deck, or the fist on the nose trick:)
Message: Posted by: Magicmaven (Apr 5, 2005 09:40PM)
Dice stacking and decapitating! It KILLS!
Message: Posted by: ShaunRobison (Apr 5, 2005 10:56PM)
For a heckler.. I would do this. Riffle the corner of the deck and have the spec. say stop so they can peek at a card. Catch your break and as you hand him the deck to shuffle you peek at the card as well. The very first peek I learned was from Henry Hay's book "Amature Magicians Handbook". Once you know the card you can go in a million different directions and the heckler/spectator won't have any clue.
Run through the deck and cull his/her card to the top and as you turn the deck face down just palm out the card and pull it from your pocket. That is just one of several different roads to go down. Think JAZZ man JAZZ!!

Shaun R.
Message: Posted by: Alym Amlani (Apr 5, 2005 11:55PM)
With hecklers I find that a solid mentalism routine shuts them right up.
There's no real explanation for those!
Message: Posted by: The Mighty Fool (Apr 6, 2005 01:48AM)
So NFW dosen't have a clean getaway?
Message: Posted by: Peter Marucci (Apr 6, 2005 03:23AM)
Listen to those who point out that "life is too short" to deal with hecklers and the like.
Challenge magic is a lose-lose situation: If you fool him, you lose the respect of part of your audience; if you don't fool him, you lose the respect of the rest.
Move on!
Message: Posted by: Kent Wong (Apr 6, 2005 09:04AM)
Very wise words Peter! Just because you can perform magic, does not mean you have to. Although I will always have some type of magic trick on me, I will often choose not to perform because the moment isn't right.

But, if you are being paid to perform strolling magic, that is another situation altogether. You may get faced with the heckler. In that case, you have two options: perform or move on (with the possibility of coming back later in the evening). If your performing experience doesn't give you the ability and confidence to effectively "manage" the heckler, then you should move on. Otherwise, you will face that lose-lose situation that Peter talked about.

As time goes by, however, you may come to the realization that the truly effective way to manage a heckler is not by altering your tricks (for then you give the heckler control and reduce the range of your tricks to the lowest common denominator), but by employing effective psychology to bring him in line.

Tommy Wonder has written some amazing essays on this topic and I would highly recommend them. You can find them in his two volumd set, Visions of Wonder.

Message: Posted by: ksalaz1 (Apr 6, 2005 12:50PM)
I often reverse the Invis Deck. Take one card out of regular deck, don't let them see it. Place it in reverse direction and put in case, then pocket. Tell him you are sending him a card to his mind. Ask him to name the card that came to mind. Take out the INVIS. deck from same pocket, spread and remove card.

Message: Posted by: Smoke & Mirrors (Apr 21, 2005 06:53AM)
On 2005-04-06 02:48, The Mighty Fool wrote:
So NFW dosen't have a clean getaway?

Clean, as in- HAND them the cards?
Message: Posted by: pikacrd (Apr 22, 2005 09:59AM)
I actually handle the situation by calling attention to the person’s keen sense of observation. I tell them that they have been watching me like know body has ever watched me before and that is a good thing I then welcome them by asking for there assistance by holding out there hand.

Once I have an outstretched hand I go into a modified version of Dr Daleys's last trick (the end result is the same my handling is just a bit different). I have found that this works well in that situation because you are rewarding them by telling them how good there sense of observation is and at the same time you are fooling the pants off of them with a great trick.

Knock on wood I have never had this approach back fire on me where I have been in a position where the audience was agents me or the spectator. As a matter of fact the person who was just a heckler usually becomes my biggest supporter after the effect is done. All in all it is how you the entertainer handle the situation that is important and not the trick that you do. If you respond to there heckling in a positive manner where you are welcoming and positive in your reactions to the heckling you will get much better results than by just trying to stump the person or by doing a sucker effect that draws attention to the person by attempting to make them look like a fool. This in most cases will just fan the fire and the persons desire to make you look bad or worse you run the risk of looking like a mean spirited person and both cases know one wins.

Message: Posted by: Paul D (Apr 24, 2005 01:57AM)
An effect I do that gets anybody anywhere I have not put in print The effect is this magician reaches into pocket pulls out a black card wallet opens it to take out a piece of paper hands the wallet to spectator magician lights up paper with a lighter flames shoot from fingers lollipop apears everybody is happy.