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Topic: Snap Flash???-Used by Lubor Fiedler
Message: Posted by: Magicianmagic (Mar 28, 2005 07:40AM)
Hi,
I was wonderng if any fello pyros know where to get the items needed to produce a flash with your fingers in a snapping action. It is used by Lubor Fiedler in his DVD "collected Secrets of"". It looks like two different chemicals that are placed in tow different fingers and when snapped a flash occurs along with a puff of smoke.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.
-Thanks in advance
Message: Posted by: Slim Price (Mar 28, 2005 11:07AM)
The Café rules prohibit mentioning the chemicals, rightfully... I can tell you they ar dangerous of themselves as well as being directly dangerous to your skin. Expect long term discoloration of your skin...
Slim
Message: Posted by: ClouDsss (Mar 29, 2005 12:57AM)
If you use too much of the stuff or snap too hard, you can kinda burn your fingers. And trust me, its hard to gauge the right amount and correct strength for snapping

Even if you get the correct effect, the flash and smoke, you do feel a stinging sensation on your finger tips.

I decided to stick with flash paper as its more predictable :)

cheerios
Message: Posted by: pikacrd (Apr 14, 2005 10:46AM)
Send me a PM if you are still looking for this stuff. I think that have a small quantity of it from a buy out of a magic shop that was going out of business that I made a few years ago. I think that the actual name of the product is called Snap Bang or Snap Flash. It is packaged in two separate containers and still can be found from time to time as brick and mortar magic shops that work with different stage effects companies.

I will add on that if you do not use caution with this stuff that you can hurt yourself. I tried it once and used far to much of the chemical and lost the feeling in the tips of my fingers for several days and had a very nice second degree burn to go along with the tingling. I will not ship this stuff out but if you want it I can get you the actual name of the product so that you can find it.

KG
Message: Posted by: BroDavid (Apr 14, 2005 12:26PM)
I was talking to a very experienced magician friend of mine about that stuff some years ago, and he showed me his thumb with a big scar in the middle of his thumbprint where an extra bit of that stuff just sat and burned a nice little hole in his thumb. He emphasized that it was a prettty hopeless feeling to stand there looking at it burning and being unable to get it off his thumb....

Needless to say, he didn't use the stuff again, and he suggested that I stay away from it too. And I definitely took his advice. I have too many safer ways to produce flashes and fire to need something that dangerous.

BroDavid
Message: Posted by: Sonny Vegas (May 17, 2005 10:16AM)
With agreeing to the rules here, I will not ask for the formula,...but, Is there a shop that still sells snap flash?
Please PM me with the place I can purchase this.

Thank you.
Message: Posted by: weepinwil (May 18, 2005 07:45AM)
I do not know if it is still sold at LaRock's in Charlotte NC but that is where I got mine a few years ago. Read my thread in this section for using it with flash paper and avoiding a lot of the burns, discoloration, and scars as the paper gives a measure of insulation from the chemicals. But be cautious, you can still get burned if not careful.
Message: Posted by: Magicianmagic (May 18, 2005 02:23PM)
Sonny - Still have not found a solid source!?!

Weepinwil - I would love to read your thread but I cannot find it- Can you post a link here or pm me. Thanks
Message: Posted by: Sonny Vegas (May 19, 2005 11:53AM)
I havent found any sources of this on the internet and am still looking for some help on locating this. LaRock do not carry this anymore and searches have found nothing, unless the name of the item has been changed....hmmmm?

Still looking for some leads...anyone?

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Magician,..heres Weepinwil's post: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=116153&forum=20&0
Message: Posted by: weepinwil (May 19, 2005 08:58PM)
Sonny,

Thanks for posting the thread. I haven't learned to do that yet. How do I leave a thread address?
Message: Posted by: Magicianmagic (May 20, 2005 02:45AM)
Would really like to try the flash paper and snap flash together! Still awaiting a source.
Message: Posted by: Mystician (May 20, 2005 02:02PM)
It might be in Lippy's Modern Chemical Magic.
I have the book, I'd have to check (when I get home)

That book generally has everything, even how to make .. bum bum dum ....flash paper
Message: Posted by: weepinwil (May 20, 2005 09:51PM)
[quote]
On 2005-05-20 15:02, Mystician wrote:
It might be in Lippy's Modern Chemical Magic.
I have the book, I'd have to check (when I get home)

That book generally has everything, even how to make .. bum bum dum ....flash paper
[/quote]

I wouldn't mind having that book. Is it still in print?

I have looked everywhere and can't find a source either. It is sad that it is not available. It was intended for professional use only because of the hazard. Still must be a source somewhere. It is basically 2 chemicals that when combined cause a minor explosion.
Message: Posted by: Slim Price (Jun 2, 2005 01:23PM)
You are treading on very dangerous ground! I once worked out just the cost of equipment to make "cheap" flash paper and it comes to about $650.00. That does not include the cost of having HAZMAT come to your house to get rid of the residue... Factor in the personal hazard to health, and the inferior quality of the result...
Snap flash chemicals require permits to get the chemicals, as well as the scrutiny of the DOD and other agencies. A lot to pay for a chance to burn your fingers!
Slim
Message: Posted by: B.K.Pal (Oct 2, 2005 07:25AM)
Thanks all for the timely warning. I was just about to get it out of curiosity.
Message: Posted by: Rainmaker (Nov 8, 2005 07:25AM)
Hey!

My teacher used this to wake us students up when we felt sleepy. I´d love to use it in my show. Can anyone PM me and tell me where I can get it. I promise to be careful;)
Message: Posted by: Miracle Man Show (Nov 20, 2005 11:02PM)
STAY AWAY FROM THIS STUFF!!!

A magician named Joe Raven lost some fingers to this stuff.

I had some, when I realized what the chemicals were, I poured them out. This is definitely not worth playing with.

There are old pyros
And there are bold pyros
But there aren’t any old, bold pyros.
Message: Posted by: Midnight333 (Feb 27, 2006 01:14PM)
You WILL burn your self. I used it twice, then after a really bad burn, never again. Its not even that reliable.
Message: Posted by: Freak Prodigy (Feb 28, 2006 02:05PM)
[quote]
On 2005-05-18 08:45, weepinwil wrote:
I do not know if it is still sold at LaRock's in Charlotte NC but that is where I got mine a few years ago. Read my thread in this section for using it with flash paper and avoiding a lot of the burns, discoloration, and scars as the paper gives a measure of insulation from the chemicals. But be cautious, you can still get burned if not careful.
[/quote]
LaRocks is now a wholesale warehouse...they do not have a showroom any longer. You might try Fun Filled LLC, they are in Concord NC, very close to charlotte.
the website is..... http://www.funfilledentertainment.com you can call the number and talk to the owner or his wife.
Message: Posted by: EsnRedshirt (Feb 28, 2006 02:19PM)
Sounds like dangerous stuff, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's really tough to get a hold of.

Oh and flash paper/flash cotton? As I posted elsewhere, flash cotton is also known as gun cotton, and was used in the 1800's as charge packing for [i]cannons[/i]. Not only is it suicidal to manufacture, it's dangerous to store in large quantities. Actually, they stopped storing it in metal lockboxes shortly after it was discovered just how much damage can be done by a large chunk of exploding lockbox- at terminal velocity. Don't mess with the stuff, leave its manufacture to the pros.
Message: Posted by: kevinuncanny (Feb 28, 2006 02:46PM)
Theatrfx.com has it. It burnt the crap out me. I found it to work about 75% of the time provided you have the time in advance to set it up. Setting it up on the fly makes it about 40% effective and VERY likely to hurt you.

Kevin
http://www.FiredUpEffects.com
Message: Posted by: Slim Price (Feb 28, 2006 06:14PM)
If you have to use it, I suggest you make yor fees for a show are in accordance with the fees at the burn center... One microsecond of awe for a month of pain...
(By the way, I have done fire tricks for almost 60 years...) See Slim's Red Head torches...
Slim
Message: Posted by: BAH1313 (Mar 3, 2006 03:16PM)
Theatrefx.com does NOT have it. They will not carry it anymore due to people getting hurt with it.
Message: Posted by: jdbach (Mar 9, 2006 01:42PM)
I had a small quantity of this power from a visit to Japan. Very interesting effect but difficult to use at any level of confidence for me.
Message: Posted by: discomagic (Mar 16, 2011 07:47PM)
I used this effect hundreds of times without burning my fingers. The chemical components are availabe in good chemistry stores, but mostly you need to have a special licece to be able to buy them.
As Lubor Fiedler was a very close friend of mine in the 70s, he not only teached me how to use the effect safly AND it is very important to purchase the highest available quality of this chemical gimmic.
The original name was "devils finger tips" and was presented for the 1st time in 1978 on a magic convention in Austria.
Message: Posted by: Magicianmagic (Mar 16, 2011 10:16PM)
Found some on ebay. Works magnificent. Store it in contact lens cases. only a dab does just fine. Cant believe anyone could blow there fingers off. Its gonna go nicely in my kid show effect when vanishing a silk! PM Me for more details!
Message: Posted by: Sammy J. (Mar 21, 2011 01:57PM)
I bought some of this at a Fiedler lecture in Denver, Colorado back in '79 or '80.
We all thought it was really cool, but I know that I burned myself a number of times. Nothing serious, but it still hurt!

Sammy
Message: Posted by: Ray Pierce (Apr 28, 2011 03:17AM)
I remember when he lectured at the Castle years ago and everyone bought this stuff and half the Castle had blisters on at least one finger and some on several! I've done pyro for years and I could get it to work but it is VERY hard to get consistent. Moisture, humidity and many other factors change it and can burn you leaving a nice blister on your finger and/or thumb which could make it very difficult to do magic! Yes, there are a lot of tricks to doing it safely but ultimately it falls under the catagory of "not worth it" for the effect and the related hazards.
Message: Posted by: joe yang (May 15, 2011 02:22PM)
[quote]
On 2005-11-21 00:02, Miracle Man Show wrote:
STAY AWAY FROM THIS STUFF!!!

A magician named Joe Raven lost some fingers to this stuff.


[/quote]

For the record, this is not how Joe lost his fingers. He was pouring black powder, from the can, into a flash pot. The pot sparked and the can blew up in his hand. I talked to Joe after the accident.

On a lighter note, there is a really nice, reasonably safe, home made effect to produce a good flash and a bang between your "empty" hands. It uses a little flash paper and a "Booby Trap" or "String Popper". That, some half way decent slight of hand and a little misdirection.

I won't say more on an open forum. Some of you know this one. If not, PM me.
Message: Posted by: ropeadope (May 30, 2011 05:05AM)
FERGITABOUTIT !!

John