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Topic: Ok, I've got about 50 bucks...
Message: Posted by: Spritemoogle (Oct 1, 2002 09:11PM)
What are some good tricks to buy? Stage, street, anything. I just want something/things that will look impressive :-) Thnx guys
Message: Posted by: Rod Lages (Oct 1, 2002 09:25PM)
Hi,
Let me clear up something. You just want some tricks. Not any book or video, right?

Best Regards,
Rod Lages
Message: Posted by: Samelei (Oct 1, 2002 09:27PM)
I also want to add.. I want a good trick, totaly inspectable.. And not too too expensive... $50 max.

Something that weil blow people away!

Such as "The Penetrating Bands" OR the color changing knives..

Any suggestions?
Message: Posted by: Callin (Oct 1, 2002 11:03PM)
Scotch and Soda is a great prop to spend your money on. It is basically an examinable gimmicked coin that you can do lots of great stuff with. At Callin's we sell a set for $25 (free shipping). PM me if you would like to know more.

Thanks,
Richard Green
Message: Posted by: Peter Marucci (Oct 2, 2002 05:46AM)
Sprite,
First of all, WHY do you want this particular trick?
And why does it have to be totally examinable?
BTW, if you're willing to pay up to $50 for the Penetrating Bands (two elastic bands and a move), then you're going to have people lining up to sell it to you! :lol:
Message: Posted by: Drew from Spotlight (Oct 2, 2002 06:25AM)
Even though you requested just a “good trick” that can be examined I’d still suggest the book “Modern Coin Magic” by Bobo. You should be able to find it even in a local bookstore or definitely in your local magic shop. In it you’ll find not one, but dozens of routines that meet your requirements.
Message: Posted by: dchung (Oct 2, 2002 09:02AM)
Peter's right here. And if you want to do Scotch and Soda, Peter offers his gimmick-free routine for free. And gimmick-free means totally examinable, if that's what you're looking for.

And as Drew said, Bobo's a great book. Many routines with just regular coins. And dirt cheap too.
Message: Posted by: AllThumbs (Oct 2, 2002 09:43AM)
Initially I would stay away from 'buying tricks' initially. Chances are you will be disappointed and wonder where your 50 bucks went.

Books are a great investment, teach you the foundations, and have longer lasting appeal. Many beginners books have many great tricks that are not difficult to do technically.

Personally I rate Mark Wilson's Complete Course in Magic as a brilliant beginners book, containing a lot of material on all sorts of magic...and you'll have 30 or 40 dollars left over to buy the minimal props you might need e.g. rope, billiard balls etc.

Good luck, and practice hard.

Regards,

Kris Sheglova
Message: Posted by: cheaptrick (Oct 2, 2002 11:34AM)
I second Kris's comment.

Mark Wilson's "course in Magic" is out of print (in this title).

It is now been reprinted in it's entirety as "Mark Wilson's Cyclopedia of Magic"

The format is changed (magically, I guess),
shrunken from a extra-large trade paperback to an almost pocket-sized book.

This 638 page book is a fine "starter" for anyone new to magic, as well as old-timers.

IT LISTS FOR $9.95 $US.

You can get it at Borders, or any medium to large bookseller.

You would be wiser to start off with a book, than just buying a trick from a dealer.

This book gives you the basics of things that have stunned audiences the world over
for generations.

Most of the props described in the book are things that you either have around the house, can easily make, or are relatively inexpensive (example, it has a whole chapter on sponge balls. Less than $5.00 will get you a set, and a few hours of PRACTICE will make you an "expert".

Welcome to a wonderful hobby.

Vince



:magicrabbit:
Message: Posted by: DavidKenney (Oct 2, 2002 12:31PM)
Sounds like you just need to go shopping at one of the many magic dealers and start reading tricks. Browse ones that interest you and maybe fall into what you expect from a trick. You can always come back and ask our opinions on one or two - but its hard to shop for somoene else if you don't know them - you know?

Try:

Magicsmith - http://www.magicsmith.com/
Hank Lee - http://www.hanklee.net/
Ellusionist - http://www.ellusionist.com/
The Trickery - http://www.thetrickery.com
Trickshop - http://www.trickshop.com/
Magic Tricks - http://www.magictricks.com/
Grand Illusions - http://www.grandillusions.com/
Happy Magic - http://www.happymagic.com/
Merlin's Kingdom - http://www.merlinskingdom.com/
Houdini's - http://www.houdini.com/home.cfm?Featured=Yes
Elmwood Magic - http://www.elmwoodmagic.com/
Daytona Magic - http://www.daytonamagic.com/
Discount Magic - http://www.discountmagic.com
Ian Rowland - http://www.ianrowland.com/
Message: Posted by: Steven the Amusing (Oct 2, 2002 09:35PM)
:wavey:
For $50... All prices include tax and shipping.

$6 two decks of cards (Bicycles)
$24 Bobo's Modern Coin Magic +
Royal Road to Card Magic (Amazon.com)
$2 (4) half dollar coins
$16 Mark Wilson's Complete Course (used)
----
$46* spent and you've got dozens of eye-popping tricks AT LEAST! You're all set for some coin, and card magic. Add some office supplies and you're really cruising.

*I know it totals to $48, but you didn't SPEND the half dollar coins!

Trust me, nearly anything else you do with $50 will disappoint you. Oh, and find a local SAM, SYM, IBM, or FCM group and attend!
Message: Posted by: Magicman0323 (Oct 3, 2002 12:45PM)
Great List David, although you forgot to mention 2 very important ones in my opinion. Of course this list could keep on going, but these will count for my 2 cents.

http://www.tannens.com
http://www.dennymagic.com

If I were in your situation I'd go with books, you can get much more bang for your buck so to speak. If you pick up the Mark Wilson course in magic, you'll have some extra cash to spend. Get some sponge balls, some rope, a few decks and some coins to go with it. You'll have some great solid magic and you'll even have some props to go with it. Best of all you didn't buy a "one hit wonder". :cool:
Message: Posted by: Thoughtreader (Oct 3, 2002 06:09PM)
$50 would buy you the first two volumes of the Tarbell course in magic (if you find it used, you might get volume 3 too) which will have more magic than you could possibly learn between now and the end of the year.

I have lots of stuff for under $50 for sale too BUT the caveat is that it will take some practice and work to make them look astounding to your audiences.
PSIncerely Yours,
Paul Alberstat
Message: Posted by: Peter Marucci (Oct 3, 2002 08:22PM)
Sprite,
If you've got $50 to spend on magic, take $10 and buy the Dover edition of Modern Coin Magic by J.B. Bobo (a "must have" book).
Then send the remaining $40 to me.
That way, we will both end up with something of value.
:rotf:
Message: Posted by: Missy_Magic (Oct 4, 2002 09:29AM)
Um if I could just add my three cents in here.

If ya want a really, totally, amazing trick which is soooooo easy to do and a real killer, why not buy an invisible deck? Ok so its not examineable but you could work around that (not too sure what I am and are not allowed to say). There are so many possibilities and its easy to do, and really blows people away!

Good luck anyway...
---------->Wynsome :cuteangel:
Message: Posted by: Musashi (Oct 4, 2002 09:47AM)
I'm completely new to magic, and I don't know what your level of experience/interest is, but.....

Here's my two pence....

I started with the attitude (just a few months ago) that I wanted to "do" magic right away, and I wanted some "killer" tricks.

I bought Scotch and Soda, Hopping Halves, Folding Quarter and Folding Half Dollar, a Stripper Deck and an Invisible deck.

All of them are very cool effects, but....(BUT!)

You have to be able to perform them!

Each of the books suggested in the above posts have valuable information on performance, as well as great routines (I have the books now and am learning much faster I think).

Starting over I'd get the books first, learn what types of magic appeal to me the most, then think about where to spend money on a great trick!

Peace!

Josh Erdahl
Message: Posted by: Thoughtreader (Oct 4, 2002 09:48AM)
Why on earth would someone want to have the SAME trick as everyone else and usually do it like everyone else? If more people that were starting out in magic would read more books and actually read them, digest them and learn all that is within those pages (and I am talking about our classic magic books like Sach's, Tarbell, Fischer, etc.) nobody would be doing the same things, the same acts and the public might actually stop thinking that all magicians do the same things.

On the other hand, you can follow the previous advice, go to a magic shop and buy the ONE trick that ANYONE else can go in (lay people too) plunk down their ten bucks and do exactly what you are doing. Do you want an act that a lay person can go out and buy and duplicate what you do with just money or would you prefer skills that only someone with some discipline and much practice could possibly do?

PSIncerely Yours,
Paul Alberstat
Message: Posted by: gtxby33 (Oct 4, 2002 10:09AM)
buy scotch and soda and then a DVD or book.....if you dont have the royal road to card magic or bill tar's now you see it, now you dont, or if you dont have the tarbell series get them....books are better than tricks...
Message: Posted by: AllThumbs (Oct 4, 2002 10:57AM)
Just reading this thread supports the purchase of quality books on magic rather than pre-packaged tricks. At least to begin with anyway.

Echoing Paul's posting - Take a look at *just* this thread. See how many times
"Scotch and Soda" is mentioned. Now think about how available this trick is, how many have been sold, how many people are doing
"Scotch and soda". It's the most over-pitched trick since the Svengali pack. Try to give more to your act than the tricks that nearly every magic shop will try and sell to the beginner.

Learn some things that require at least a modicum of skill, and learn those skills well. I'm not suggesting that you become a
'mighty move maven'. It is better for you to learn a few tricks and perform them really well, polishing the performance to the best of your ability than to know a lot of tricks and only be able to do them adequately or badly.

Remember when you walk into a magic shop that they will know you are a beginner, they will show you the popular tricks they know are popular and will astound you. You WILL want to know how it's done and you'll buy the trick. With this in your head you should be able to resist the temptation and avoid the 'method madness maven' syndrome that can take people some time to shake off (I know I see them every time I go to the local magic store).

It's best to go in knowing what you want. To a beginner I would suggest they would form an evaluation about some of the books that have been mentioned and walk in and ask for it, maybe ask their opinions about various books. Buy one or two books (no need to buy whole collections at once) and then leave politely.

Tarbell's course is well known for it's quality and thoroughness and will be a good investment. Make an effort to work through it rather than skim for the effects that seem the most appealing. Buy one volume at a time to discourage you from doing so. Apply a little discipline. It will pay off. A foundation is designed to be built on. If you don't build on a foundation then eventually your house will fall down.

Regards,

Kris Sheglova

credit to: Richard Bushch who uses the terms
'Method Madness Mavens', 'Mighty Move Mavens', 'ME-ME-ME Mavens'

To add further irony to my previous post, I just got the following spam in my e-mail:

"We also have an amazing offer on Scotch & Soda at only £12.50 whilst stocks last. We are even throwing in a free booklet too. Remember, this is rated at Novice so everybody can do it!"

Says it all really..

Regards,

Kris Sheglova
Message: Posted by: Samelei (Oct 4, 2002 06:03PM)
Well, One trick I want soooo baadly is Crazy mans handcuffs, The trick where 2 rubber bands literally melt together!

If anyone knows how to do this trick, or has a CPU version of detailed instructions, I will be glad to purchase them!

Please PM Me, I really badly want this trick!

Thank You
Message: Posted by: DeadRinger (Dec 16, 2002 12:27AM)
The first trick I ever bought was scotch and soda when I was first starting out, and that got me into Bobo because I wanted a totally clean trick. Once I got Bobo, I, for the most part, eliminated gaffs from my coin close up.
Message: Posted by: what (Dec 16, 2002 01:43PM)
To learn the Crazy Mans Handcuffs, goto Michael Ammars site. He has a manuscript that will teach the trick.

If you are new to magic, spend $25 or so and buy Mark Wilsons Complete Course in Magic. It has some great tricks (complete with good simple presentation) He does such a good job focusing on the effect and giving simple presentations to accomplish a strong effect.

A great routine for someone who likes coins is a Two in the hand, One in the Pocket routine. The first one I ever found was in the "Complete Idiots Guide to Magic" and was called "A bird in the hand". I perform it all the time as it can be done completely impromptu and you can even use something besides coins. People love it. It also gives you a great routine to practice with new coin sleights.

my two cents worth, no I put in three cents this time.
Message: Posted by: biff_g (Dec 16, 2002 02:40PM)
I really like the levitating matchstick or orbiting objects. They're really easy to learn and they are quite inexpensive.
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Anderson (Dec 17, 2002 12:34AM)
My 2 cents. Black and White Surprise is totally examinable and has a good "wow" effect. Its biggest drawback however is that it does not instantly reset.
Vinnie

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Message: Posted by: Giuseppe (Dec 17, 2002 04:51PM)
Just try to learn lots of card tricks. There are many sources (internet, library!!) that are free and you could save the money until you needed it(for new decks). :bluebikes: :bikes:
Message: Posted by: rusty151 (May 21, 2009 08:46PM)
Speaking of books I really misss Tannens Magic catalog Hard back with a ton of pages. Are there any Magic dealers that have this type of catalog anymore?
When I was starting about 40 years ago my grandfather gave me his It was number 3 and the cover was missing but in my mind that was the greatest book ever written at the time.
Rusty
Message: Posted by: Shortelz (May 21, 2009 10:16PM)
LOL I got mark wilson's cyclopedia of magic at a garage sale for 25 cents :)
Message: Posted by: Irfaan Kahan (May 22, 2009 07:43AM)
To reiterate on the sensible posts only;
Get yourself a deck of cards, some loose change, and a book (Like Tarbell, or CCIM) and you're basically set for life. You won't ever NEED anything else (except fresh cards), ever.
Message: Posted by: NabsS (May 22, 2009 01:31PM)
Strangely nobody mentioned Sponge Ball transposition (which happens to be the best trick I can do). You can do it both in your hands and in the spectator's hand. Yep, it's examinable. Then there is cups and balls (been around for thousands of years).

Then, to repeat on what's been said, Royal Road to Card Magic. Then, if you have $80 to spare, get the DVDs with the same name from L&L Publishing.

L&L also sells the World's Greatest Magic series. Get the one on Matrix (the trick with 4 cards and 4 coins), and you will learn a great trick, which is relatively easy to do.

There's so much to get in magic, and even I don't know what to get.
Message: Posted by: HMAC (May 22, 2009 05:57PM)
I perfectly agree.
A deck of cards, coins and sponge balls is all you need.

For fancier or no-sleight effects, tricked decks can be very fun. I would second the invisible deck. And you just need 1 second, a good joke and a pocket to make it entirely examinable...
Message: Posted by: mindfreak2.0 (May 23, 2009 01:32PM)
Go out and get some cards and a package of LOOPS
Message: Posted by: jjduck (May 23, 2009 02:31PM)
Spritemoogle,
I'm sure you have figured it out by now that books are the way to go instead of props. Remember, when you purchase a trick, you are paying for the secret, not the prop. If you purchase a book and get 1 effect out of the entire book, you have probably gotten your money's worth. Just think, if you where to get 3 or 4 effects out of the book, you would be way ahead of the game. I know it's hard to pass up all of that eye candy in the display cabinets but you will be well rewarded starting out with the books and you will still have change from your $50.00 to get the props to go with the books ie: cards, sponges, silks etc.

Best Wishes and Good Luck with your decision
Message: Posted by: AlienSpaceBat (May 23, 2009 02:36PM)
Not sure the poster will be reading these replies, since the OP was a drive-by and their ONLY post, and it was SEVEN YEARS AGO ...!

:bg:
Message: Posted by: jjduck (May 24, 2009 01:21PM)
Hmmm! That's twice, I've done that. :)
Message: Posted by: magicbjl1970 (May 29, 2009 10:52AM)
Spritemoogle hasn't posted since 2002!
Message: Posted by: funsway (Jun 9, 2009 05:44PM)
After getting a couple of books from Amazon and following a lot of advice her, also pick up a finger ring from a pawnshop. You can do most coin sleights with it plus many others including ring on sting effects. You can put on an hour show with a ring, shoelace and handkerchief -- and you are always prepared.
Message: Posted by: funsway (Jun 9, 2009 05:47PM)
As to dealers, check out Aldo Colombini's -- every package is $10 -- buy three and get one free. Get the DVD's, which include all of the other packaged tricks you can make yourself. If you need help deciding, just ask him -- very personable.