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Topic: Bill Malone on the Loose
Message: Posted by: Fiddling-Steve (Apr 4, 2005 08:24PM)
I recently saw some video of Bill Malone's on the Loose dvds. I want to purchase one, but I don't know anything about them. I am a card magician and don't really like gaffed tricks, unless the gaffs can be built at home with something like double stick tape. His material looks great, and hopefully one of them is what I'm looking for.
Message: Posted by: samuelchong (Apr 5, 2005 01:15AM)
Gaff cards routine: Michael Skinner's 3 card monte, Mental Photography & Invisible Deck.

The rest just use a normal deck of card but Sam the Bellhop routine requires you to stack the deck.

Well, a man's meat, is another man's poison. Just buy all the 4 volumes then decide which routine you like and want to use it in your repertoire. You won't go wrong with these set of DVDs.

You'll not only learn the trick but also the tips as well as many useful working advice.
Message: Posted by: Alejandro Peterson (Apr 5, 2005 11:40AM)
Yes, the set is fantastic, My favorite is vol 3, but is just my opinion, all volumes are fantastic, the hole set is focused on cards, except the Slydiny silks, One effect with matches,the matrix effect that is amazing, color changing knifes, and the bill in lemon, is an amazing set, very useful, and Malone is a master you need to see his false shufle and cuts secuense in vol 1.
Message: Posted by: ashah (Apr 5, 2005 07:33PM)
If you look around on the Café, you'll find that Malone's DVDs are highly regarded. The magic is strong, and Malone is a riot. I would recommend the DVDs highly. If you only get one, might as well start with the first volume (that's just my favorite one).
Message: Posted by: realorcy (Apr 6, 2005 01:47AM)
The tricks are ok,some are great.The best thing is his presentation.He is the best performer I have ever seen,His presentation makes any trick looks better and very funny.
Message: Posted by: Turk (Apr 6, 2005 10:54AM)
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On 2005-04-06 02:47, realorcy wrote:
The tricks are ok,some are great.The best thing is his presentation.He is the best performer I have ever seen,His presentation makes any trick looks better and very funny.
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I agree. And, this just re-enforces the point that it is the entertainment that is important and not the "trick". This is one of my favorite DVD sets. Lots to learn just watching a master at work. His timing is impeccable and his audience management and interaction is 2nd to none. Oh, and the effects for the most part are great too.

Mike
Message: Posted by: bonehead (Apr 6, 2005 11:50AM)
Mike, I totally agree with you. I liked these DVD's a lot. I don't mention it much around the old-timers because they only have one thing to say about it "None of it's his material...yada...yada....yada...".

So what? He never said it was his material and he credits everyone accordingly. Some times I think certain people would rather we learned nothing than learn something from someone second hand.

His entertainment aspect is well worth the price of the series. Like Mike said, oh, and the tricks aren't bad either.
Message: Posted by: CyberZiggy (Apr 6, 2005 01:25PM)
Bill Malones on the loose dvds are excellent. You wont be dissapointed in my opinion.
Message: Posted by: Fiddling-Steve (Apr 6, 2005 02:44PM)
Awesome. I'm going to get all of these. I'm might get three first because I like how the tricks on that sound. (I already have a version of Michael Skinner's 3 card monte so I'm going to hold off on one) Either way I'll eventually aquire them all. Does anyone know what other good material he has?
Message: Posted by: twistedace (Apr 6, 2005 07:35PM)
Everything he has is good. PERIOD.
Message: Posted by: ashah (Apr 6, 2005 08:20PM)
Other than this set, I don't know of any major stuff that he has put out. There is a Sam the Bellhop video and a Slydini Silks video, but both of these routines are also covered in "On the Loose".
Message: Posted by: Turk (Apr 7, 2005 01:19AM)
Ace of Clubs,

Yes, Malone does cover his "Sam the Bellhop" on both his "Sam the Bellhop" video and on Vol 1 (I think) of his "On the Loose" set. However, IMHO, his "Sam the Bellhop" covers the routine in greater detail AND he goes into depth teaching you many many false cuts and the "Zarrow Shuffle". He teaches you false cuts and flourishes by Erdnase, Cornelius, Skinner and Vernon (just to name a few). On this video, you can find correct teaching of the finger placement and the little nuances and subleties that make these moves so devastating. And, at the end of the video, he also teaches a great routine (Radical Aces) as a bonus. This video is highly recommended.

Mike
Message: Posted by: dog (Apr 7, 2005 02:23AM)
If you like cards, you'll love these DVDs, get all of them. Most of the effects use a normal deck.
Message: Posted by: Fiddling-Steve (Apr 10, 2005 06:52AM)
I just bought vol. 2 and 4 on ebay for 20 bucks each, so then I'll buy the other two.
(I also picked up daryl's encyclopedia of card sleights vol 5,6,7)
Message: Posted by: evolve629 (Apr 10, 2005 11:25AM)
I have the Bill Malone's On The Loose vol. 2, if anyone is interested to buy this dvd, please pm me. I have had read a lot of good reviews re. Bill, but after watching this dvd, I'm really turned off by his presentation style. He is also not a good teacher as he goes over his card tricks, such as Cut'Em High And Tie, and Favoriate Opener, really fast. I personally does not like his style as I feel that soemtimes he belittle his audiences, at least it's evident to me on this dvd. The Counterfeit Money is an average bill in lemon routine. I don't appreicate the fact that the lemon appeared inside one of his shoes. I'm sure I'm going to get some heat from other folks about my comment in this posting. But hey, I'm sure there are some other folks in the magic community feel the way I do about Bill Malone. Thanks for reading. Have a good day.
Message: Posted by: Jeremy L. (Apr 10, 2005 11:51AM)
I've been looking at these for some time and I was wondering on a scale from 1-5 (1 being something any one can do; 5 something only a Pro should try) where would these fall. From what I'v heard they sound like they'd be about a 3.


Happy Posting!
Jeremy L.
Message: Posted by: ashah (Apr 10, 2005 01:51PM)
I agree with you about Malone's style, evolve629. Although I very much enjoy Malone's presentations, he occasionally makes comments that are inappropriate or belittling. I think he would do well to leave out comments like this, and I would not recommend that people emulate it unless that's their style and they know their audience well enough to know that they would be amused rather than offended.

Having said that, I think Malone knows what he can get away with, and I don't think anyone was offended. Also, I think his teaching is fine and that the bill in lemon routine is entertaining.

Jeremy, I agree that I would put these at a 3 in difficulty on a scale of 1 to 5. For beginners, there are some effects that are easier (around a 2), and there are also some that I would rate a 4.
Message: Posted by: Jeremy L. (Apr 10, 2005 05:08PM)
Thank-you. I'm glad there is a range in skill so I can have stuff to work on for a while.
Message: Posted by: zwevie (Apr 11, 2005 03:19PM)
Hi guys,

I've only got the volume1 and 4, they're excellent. I just sometimes watch his performance, because its just perfect. He's not only a magician, but an excellent entertainer, comedian. Just fun to watch him. Anyway are the other also worth the money? Because I don't any of his tricks, not that their bad, they just don't fit me. Just his false shuffle sequence and some handy sleights I use, ...

Greetz

zwevie
Message: Posted by: Turk (Apr 12, 2005 01:15AM)
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On 2005-04-11 16:19, zwevie wrote:
Hi guys,

I've only got the volume1 and 4, they're excellent. I just sometimes watch his performance, because its just perfect. He's not only a magician, but an excellent entertainer, comedian. Just fun to watch him. Anyway are the other also worth the money? Because I don't any of his tricks, not that their bad, they just don't fit me. Just his false shuffle sequence and some handy sleights I use, ...

Greetz

zwevie
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Zwevie,

Like I mentioned in an earlier post, if you are really looking for a good tape discussing false shuffles, false cuts and some flourishes and you like Malone, get his "Sam the Bellhop" video. After he demonstrates his "patter" for "Sam the Bellhop", he spends approximatley 85% of the rest of the video demonstrating the Zarrow false shuffle and the many false cuts and flourishes he uses in that routine. I was astounded by the many false cuts he demonstrated on this video. IMHO, well worth the money for those items. I'll probably never do the "Sam the Bellhop" routine but I'll use the many false cuts I learned on that video over and over again.

Mike
Message: Posted by: RizlaDizla (Apr 18, 2005 04:47AM)
Just got all 4 vols from ebay for a nice little price

Havnt heard a bad word about this set so picked it up as soon as I could.

Cant wait to see a true performer at work
Message: Posted by: Fiddling-Steve (Apr 18, 2005 09:39AM)
How much did you pay for all 4?
Message: Posted by: sileeni (Apr 18, 2005 09:59AM)
Malone is the man.
Message: Posted by: RizlaDizla (Apr 18, 2005 10:03AM)
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On 2005-04-18 10:39, ace of clubs wrote:
How much did you pay for all 4?
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£50 for the 4 vols
Message: Posted by: Fiddling-Steve (Apr 20, 2005 06:39PM)
WOW!!! I just finished volume 4 and.. wow. This is by far my favorite video. He teaches it well (for someone with experiance) and is little tips between a few of the effects are so helpful. This guy is incredible.
Message: Posted by: RizlaDizla (Apr 21, 2005 09:08AM)
Agreed. I still havent really watched the explanations. the performances are just so great. Already learnt a great a deal from these dvds :)

love the tips
Message: Posted by: superhiro (Apr 22, 2005 08:47AM)
I would say his videos aren't really for the beginners but still has a lot of good stuff that anyone can use. I liked volume 1 and 4 the most. Most of the card routines I don't use directly but use some of the techniques that he uses, so for me these dvds are a good reference for techniques.

Hiro
Message: Posted by: mattpuglisi (Apr 24, 2005 12:37PM)
From the Magic Café archives:

09/12/2002

I finally received Bill Malone's "On The Loose" DVD set a few weeks ago. To say that they are absolutely fanstastic would be a dramatic understatement! Before commenting on the material itself, I'd like to recount a story that explains why I'm so jazzed about this DVD set, and Bill's magic in general.

I waited quite sometime for these DVD's to come out, having received a tip from Bill himself last year. I met Bill last winter at a gig I was working (with MagicCafe member Cardguy). It was Samatha Bettman's Bat Mitzvah (her dad is the chair of the NHL). As it turns out, Bill is a good friend of Mr. Bettman and the NHL (after all, he is the world's greatest corporate magician), and he was asked to come down and do an hour for Mr. Bettman and his friends, while Cardguy and I worked the younger crowd (we didn't know this when we were hired).

After working for three hours (I have a lot of material, including freestyle yo-yo and contact juggling, in addition to close-up magic and mentalism), Cardguy and I were relaxing. He looked behind me and barely uttered, in an awe-struck mumble, "Its Bill Malone!" Figuring that Cardguy was just trying to fool me (as usual), I wouldn't turn around. Then I heard, "You guys wanna show me something?" It was the man himself. I was floored.

After showing him a few of my favorites (including, of course, some of his own material that I have worked into my repertoire), he took the deck from me and proceeded to floor everyone (Cardguy and I included) with his version of the 11 card trick (p.s. look at the Complete Works of Derek Dingle for a great handling of this trick, similar to what Bill performed that night), complete with a standing deck vanish (sans topit) at the end.

It was an amazimg sight to behold. The audience was mostly young children, and he handled them in a way that utterly impressed me.

Once the dust had settled, I coyly approached him for an autograph. He obliged, and summerily invited Cardguy and me to a private session once he was done working. We graciously (and obsequiously) accepted. When Bill was done table-hopping, he found us, and we found a quiet, secluded corner of the catering hall, where Bill proceeded to tip technical details for about 40 minutes. It was overwhelming.

He told us that most of what he was showing us was slated to be on his upcoming DVD set. At that moment I knew I had to have them.

After the session, we stepped outside for a smoke (kids - don't smoke), and Bill shared some 'words of wisdom,' until his cab arrived. This was the most memorable part of the evening. I remember him nonchalantly peforming some top-notch cigarette magic before lighting up his Kool (He said, "I used to do cigarette stuff," as he dextrously manipulated that cancer stick in ways I had never seen before). He was sincere and forthcoming, a consummate professional and great man.

My approach to professional magic changed forever that night. There is one thing that Bill said to us that still rings in my head whenever I prepare for a gig, "No one hires a deck of cards." It was succinct and profound, irrevocably shifting my performance paradigm forever. Whenever I think of those words, I picture him performing the 11 card trick for those kids. He was so relaxed, but still very energetic. He handled both the deck and the crowd with aplomb. And it wasn't merely the trick that amazed us, it was the man. I get it now, Bill. I get it.

I eagerly awaited the release of his DVD's (since he tipped so much we couldn't absorb it all at once), and spent the next 10 months studying material that had influenced his magic (based on the tips he had given us). After several delays the DVD's were released. And I was ecstatic.

You might think that on a 4-DVD set there is bound to be some weak material. This is absolutely not the case with "On The Loose." There is, quite literally, a lifetime of real-world knowledge on these DVDs, and viewing just one of them will invarialbly improve your professional work (even if you're not a cardician).

And there is more than mechanics on these DVDs. Bill passes on some of the most pragmatic professional wisdom, from patter suggestions to business advice, and everything in between.

Every handling on these DVD's in incredibly elegant, and despite Bill's technical mastery with a deck of cards, there is nary a finger-numbing routine among them.

Bill has a knack for rejuvinating moldy oldies. I never used the Mental Photography Deck (I tend to shy away from card gaffs/gimmicks for most "real world" performances, for obvious reasons), until I saw Bill's take on Mike Skinner's handling ("Direct From The Factory" DVD #3), which elevates the effect from clever to miraculous. He has succeded in re-working some real snoozers into very powerful effects (e.g. 'The 4 Robbers', DVD #4).

For all of the effect on these DVDs there is a significant disparity between effort and impact. You'll get MUCH MORE out of these effects then you put in. What more could you want?

Moreover, these DVD's capture the essence of that night at Samantha Bettman's Bat Mitzvah. Even on video, his consumate professionalism and good nature shine through. Bill explains everything, sharing a big piece of his professional repetoire with the magic community, while offering insight that only comes with vast experience. Now everyone can have a private session with a man who has mastered professional magic performance.

So, let's hear it for Bill Malone!
Bill-Ma-lone!