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Topic: Ammar reprimanded by Vernon?
Message: Posted by: sirbrad (Apr 5, 2005 12:30AM)
I have the Vernon's Revelations set, but it will be a while before I get to view them, as I have a lot of other material ahead of them that I am still working on. Does anyone know if the segment where Ammar is reprimanded is still on volume one? I heard that they cut the footage when it was released, but has now been reinstated in the current DVD sets. Probably to increase sales, but I am not sure if my set contains the lost footage as of yet. I do not wish to check until I am actually ready to go through the set. Also does anyone know why he was reprimanded exactly, and what was said?
Message: Posted by: hanosek (Apr 5, 2005 07:46AM)
If I remember correctly Vernon scolded him for doing "Triumph" as a show of skill and not adding an emotional hook.
Message: Posted by: Joe Mauro (Apr 5, 2005 10:48AM)
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On 2005-04-05 08:46, hanosek wrote:
If I remember correctly Vernon scolded him for doing "Triumph" as a show of skill and not adding an emotional hook.
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I watched this again and didn't see any scolding.
Message: Posted by: sirbrad (Apr 6, 2005 12:08AM)
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On 2005-04-05 08:46, hanosek wrote:
If I remember correctly Vernon scolded him for doing "Triumph" as a show of skill and not adding an emotional hook.
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That is about what I had heard as well. I wonder if my version has this "scolding" on, being I just got them? Or perhapas they are older, but were sitting in the stock room awhile. Now I can't wait to find out if I have the unedited version. Anyone know for sure, or have the unedited scolding?
Message: Posted by: El Mystico (Apr 8, 2005 10:29AM)
My understanding is that the scolding was on the original Videonics video release.
It was edited out of the L&L video rerelease
But on the L&L DVD release it is added in as a "deleted scene"

In my opinion, in should be there. Vernon is full of praise of Ammar for other things - particularly his coin routine. But Vernon's view on the performance of Triumph is of huge importance - not just for Triumph, but for the performance of all magic. I'm glad it has been restored.
Message: Posted by: JoeFreedom (Apr 12, 2005 02:02PM)
It is on the DVD. El Mystico has it correct.
Joe
Message: Posted by: balducci (Apr 12, 2005 02:05PM)
I don't remember seeing this. If convenient, can someone tell me which one (i.e., which volume) of the DVDs this deleted scene appears on?
Message: Posted by: Close.Up.Dave (Apr 12, 2005 03:54PM)
I think the real question is: what does reprimanded means?
Message: Posted by: in flames (Apr 12, 2005 07:56PM)
I wouldn't mind seeing that as well.
Message: Posted by: muzicman (Apr 12, 2005 11:59PM)
Reprimanded is what your wife does when you don't take out the trash!
Message: Posted by: dom (Apr 17, 2005 07:34AM)
If I am not wrong, on Easy to master card miracles 1 it is Ammar himself who does admit of being reprimanded by vernon (he even imitates vernon while telling this) not adding any emotional hook to the effect.
Message: Posted by: realorcy (Apr 19, 2005 12:29AM)
What is "emotional hook",sorry I am not good at English.
Message: Posted by: magicsteve99 (Apr 19, 2005 01:40AM)
An emotional hook is the thing that creates human interest, the story line that catches your attention, the real reason that you pay attention to the trick, the thing that creates meaning for the spectator. Hope one of these makes sense!
Message: Posted by: realorcy (Apr 19, 2005 02:27AM)
I know it now.
Thank you magicsteve99.
Message: Posted by: sirbrad (May 5, 2005 01:48AM)
I heard others say it was volume one?
Message: Posted by: Dougini (May 6, 2005 02:29PM)
I am also going to have to rewatch that tape...I don't remember Dai being curt with Mike, however, that said...

I WAS disappointed with the way Vernon treated Steve Freeman. It seemed he was critical of his every move, and even said, "...that's NOT the way I DO IT!" Steve was visibly rattled by him, and it noticibly made Vernon appear crotchety.

I've been a fan of Dai Vernon's since the Stars Of Magic days, and my first Twisting The Aces was Vernon's. After watching vol's 1 & 2, I come away with the feeling he was impatient and pugnacious. I hope it's not true, and not indicative of the rest of the volumes.

Has anyone here ever met Mr. Vernon? I hope he was as pleasant a person as I used to imagine...now mind you, when you're in your later, elderly years, things HURT all the time, your body does not want to function "normally", and that can tend to tone down a person's good humor. My dad was almost IMPOSSIBLE in the months before he died at 90. That I can understand.

I'm a big fan of Dai Vernon's and always will be.

Doug
Message: Posted by: The Donster (May 9, 2005 09:12AM)
Why does someone have to do it like Vernon exactly does it. don't we all try and learn something and then do it the way that we can do it.
Message: Posted by: realorcy (May 14, 2005 01:14AM)
Vernon is a normal people like all of us.He can hate or love something with no reason like us.Don't take him sa a deity.He is a great magician ,when he is a normal people.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 9, 2005 05:11AM)
Let's just say I heard he pulled a prank on the old man.
Message: Posted by: Boat (Jun 9, 2005 08:15AM)
I met Dai Vernon a few times. Once at the castle. Other times at conventions. He He was always very nice. I also attended an after mid-night invitation only close-up talk with him. Fantastic!

However, I have seen him get riled up about things that he the feels are sub standard. He was a genius and a perfectionist. He spent hours working out the kinks in everything he did. So it's certainly understandable if he's critical of someone's work that he feels is not up to snuff.

Just my thoughts,

Al
Message: Posted by: Sleightly_Done (Sep 15, 2005 10:46PM)
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On 2005-05-06 15:29, Dougini wrote:
..... I WAS disappointed with the way Vernon treated Steve Freeman. It seemed he was critical of his every move, and even said, "...that's NOT the way I DO IT!" Steve was visibly rattled by him, and it noticibly made Vernon appear crotchety......

I'm a big fan of Dai Vernon's and always will be.

Doug
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I felt sorry for the guy too, but I've watched some of the other DVD's in the series (watching them randomly), and he does praise him in others. I'm sure it would be frustrating to see those "young bucks" "attempting" to pull off what he could do in his sleep years ago.......