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Topic: Your Favorite Dove Effect
Message: Posted by: Magicman0323 (Oct 4, 2002 05:44PM)
For those of us that work with doves, and even if you don't. What's your personal favorite dove effect. I'm curious to see the different responses here. :cool: :baby:
Message: Posted by: james_magic (Oct 6, 2002 03:32AM)
Ummmmmmm, mine would probably have to be my dove from cards, using an invisible dove harness and my vanishing dove cage. Then again I love my dove from silk and my dove from gloves. I guess I love them all.
Message: Posted by: BenSchwartz (Oct 7, 2002 12:24AM)
Well... I dunno if this counts but I do a cage to parakeet.

Ben Schwartz :D
Message: Posted by: Rodney Massey (Oct 9, 2002 08:18PM)
I can't remember where I saw it, but somebody bounces a red rubber ball on the floor and when it comes back up it is a red dove. great.
Message: Posted by: Kendrix (Oct 15, 2002 04:48PM)
I think the Sleeve toss with returning dove. I am currently training Solid White Ringneck doves to do this. I thought about selling them, but only about 20% of the doves catch on quickly to this maneuver. It's a lot of work.
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Oct 15, 2002 05:51PM)
Kendrix, the sleeve toss is a great opener but I'm curious about how you came up with the 20% figure? As a dove worker, I have had up to 28 doves at one time and all but one of them performed the feat within a very short time. That's almost 100%.

Maybe I've just had the smartest birds in the world. Maybe it's the way you are trying to perform the effect. Send me a PM if you want and I'll explain several different ways to make it happen.

Message: Posted by: Kendrix (Oct 15, 2002 07:15PM)
I am not saying that more will not learn the sleeve toss if one persists. I said ~20% learn it readily. You may be better at it than I am. I use a narrow hallway with black backdrop and spot light in front of them. I have seen many acts where they end up on the ceiling or chandilier (probably a no-no for the sleeve toss). I start at 3-4 months of age.
Message: Posted by: MagicRyan (Oct 31, 2002 02:12AM)
Its an oldie but a goodie... I use it at all my shows... Balloon to Dove. I have an old tray I purchased at an auction and have repainted and touched up and have had in my show for about 1 1/2 years now! Always gets that nice gasp sound from the crowd we all love to hear. I don't have it (but would like to if anyone has one they want to get rid of!) DOVES FROM AIR (I think it is called this). This is the very pretty effect where it looks like one magicain catches the doves in a "net" on a pole and deposits them nicely in to a cage like holder on the table (one man model) or into the waiting hands of an assistant (two person model).
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Oct 31, 2002 06:01AM)
On 2002-10-15 20:15, Kendrix wrote:
I use a narrow hallway with black backdrop and spot light in front of them. I start at 3-4 months of age.

There is certainly nothing wrong with the method you are using to train your doves for the sleeve toss. I have never done it that way. I don't even begin the sleeve toss until my birds almost fly from one hand to another on their own without a little toss. Then I start the toss out. I've always trained them in my basement which is my practice room and has props set up all around. This seems to get them used to flying to my hand and not another object. I think we all use what works for us and there are multiple ways to accomplish the same result. :)

Message: Posted by: magic mike (Oct 31, 2002 07:20PM)
Hi folks, I'm new on this site. I joined about a week ago. I've only posted once before, where I asked how to find films of Channing Pollock and other great dove workers performing. Maybe some of you could help me out. (I used to do a dove act when I was a teenager.) Lately, I have gotten back into magic.

My favorite dove effect was first done by General Grant, (as far as I know.)
He won the contest for originality at a magician's convention in Bridgeport Ct. back in 1955 for the following effect: he tosses a dove into the air which then turns into a white silk which flutters down from the air into his waiting hand. A very pretty and crowd pleasing effect. I remember seeing
Channing Pollock also do it when he returned from Europe in 1960. I don't think Channing was doing the dove to silk effect before he left for Europe, about 1956. I seem to remember the General doing it first, but I could be wrong. Does anyone know for sure? The above effect is now considered public domain, since so many dove workers do it. :pirate:
Message: Posted by: joseph (Nov 9, 2002 06:07AM)
I like Neil Foster's Dove Production. With his flawless handling, this always looks good. I was fortunate enough to see his act a couple of times at the Abbotts Get Together. :kiss:
Message: Posted by: RandyStewart (Nov 10, 2002 02:26PM)
I'll always love the 'Toss Vanish' - particularly by Shimada. For those of you who haven't exprienced this, get The Greater Magic Video Libary - SHIMADA Vol. 2!
Amazing and beautiful magic. God I love that act! Shimada, once again, will astound you.

Randy Stewart
Message: Posted by: sperris (Jan 14, 2003 10:55AM)
The coolest production to me is Joseph Gabriel's when he used to do the dove on shoulder thing when he would like go to put the cane away....man that thing was freakin' cool. It just got you every time. And I saw this one guy do a mechanical dove that turned to a real one when he tossed it out, I have no idea where it came from because it was in the middle of his act after two sleeve tosses :confused:
Message: Posted by: mafedi (Jan 17, 2003 09:14PM)
The best one is 'Toss Vanish', it is real magic...
Message: Posted by: martinjmac (Jan 20, 2003 01:37PM)
I also like the one where the magician bounces three balls off of the floor and the balls turn into doves.

If anyone has any info on how to do this please write it here or PM me!!

Message: Posted by: Turk (Feb 8, 2003 10:48PM)

"Torn and Restored Dove" immediately comes to mind--especially in front of impressionable young minds filled with mush. If you get caught and fail in your restoration, I'd immediatley follow up with an effect called "A Lunch of Peking Dove" .

Just kidding. I am owned by a wonderful 20-month old Umbrella Cockatoo.


PS For what it's worth, I love the "bouncing ball changing into a dove" effect. I think that that is so very magical. I never tire of seeing it performed.
Message: Posted by: EddyRay (Mar 21, 2003 08:00AM)
The magician "Greg Frewin" who bounces the balls has a very unique and awesome act. I love his opener where he is holding a sling shot and a white ball. He pulls back on the ball and shoots it out, the ball looks like it tranforms into the dove in mid-air. It flies over the audience and then back to Greg.

Very Cool! :P
Message: Posted by: Nachtzehrer (Sep 9, 2004 09:49PM)
Double dove from silk
Dove to silk (with tail coat)
dove one cane

Those are my favorites.
Message: Posted by: Nick Wait (Jan 23, 2005 10:29AM)
Greg's act is truly awesome. I plan to pick up his dove work dvd things. I hear he is opening his own theatre at Niagra Falls. I'll definitely try to see him.
Message: Posted by: MDS (Jan 23, 2005 09:44PM)
Yeah how the heck did that guy do that mechanical dove to real dove after two sleeve tosses Dan. I'll never tell.

Message: Posted by: Michael Berends (Jan 23, 2005 11:33PM)
Hey Everybody,

Dan.....Ya, how does that guy change that mechanical dove into the real dove after those 2 tosses? hahaha. Also wonder who that guy is? LOL

I think that same guy does a really slick, and fast color change of a dove. That's also really COOL! (I mean that Dan.)

I've always liked Greg Frewin's behind the back appearance as he juggles balls, then throws one ball behind his back only to reappear over his shoulder as a Dove. He doesn't do it in his show too much anymore. Too bad.

James Cielen does a nice Dove color change too!

Lance's Spiral Candle Vanish to Dove has always had so much elegance to it. I can't resist including it here.

I have a whole lot more that I could list but I don't want to make this too long.

Just my thoughts,
Michael Berends
Message: Posted by: ckaleto (Jan 24, 2005 12:58PM)
Hi everybody.

I love dove on a fan of cards (like Lance Burton does) and sleeve production after gloves in fire.

In real, I love all the dove's production!
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jan 24, 2005 01:34PM)
Daniel's kick dove from foot and Gabriel's dove split.
Message: Posted by: dove-boy (Jan 24, 2005 07:38PM)
Yup, I have seen tons of dove splits by so many, many doveworkers including world champion [some even miss on national TV network:( ], Gabriel & RICK Thomas are still the best!

The most memorable one is the Double Vision act where Greg Frewin place white Origami paper dove on Jason Byrne's shoulder, burn it...turn into a Live white dove , perch on Jason's shoulder...there's cool :P
Message: Posted by: Elliott Hodges (Jan 25, 2005 08:41AM)
I love anything that Chaning Pollock does.
He really is magic
Message: Posted by: Nick Wait (Jan 25, 2005 12:10PM)
Do you know how much of Greg's routine is taught on his DVD'S. And if there is a review of it I can see.
Message: Posted by: RJE (Jan 26, 2005 10:02AM)
Favourite dove effect for me? Slydini's torn and restored newspaper with dove production ala Johnny Thompson aka The Great Tomsoni.

Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Jan 26, 2005 10:57AM)
Walsall, Greg's DVD, The complete course in Dove magic, does not teach you his routine but rather guides you a direction to work out your own. He covers everthing from care and feeding to jackets, pockets and holders. He does show you some of his older techniques to get you thinking. You can see a complete breakdown of the DVD set [url=http://www.gregfrewin.com/product_number_1.htm]here[/url]
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Jan 26, 2005 11:26AM)
One of my favorites is T&R Newspaper with a dove production and then toss the newspaper into an electronic Gloves to Dove. It gives you two doves, a photo flash and a clean ending.

Magic By Sander
Message: Posted by: Jeff Kellogg (Feb 1, 2005 12:26PM)
I have heard about that mechanical dove thing. I also think I heard that Brett Daniels used to do more than two sleeve tosses.
Message: Posted by: TommyTheTremendous (Feb 1, 2005 06:03PM)
I once saw a performance where whenever the magician stamped his foot it looked like a dove would fly out from right under his foot RIGHT BEFORE his foot hit the floor. There were no trap doors for the doves to enter from the stage either because I knew the manager of the theatre who helped build the stage.
Message: Posted by: Jeff Kellogg (Feb 1, 2005 07:31PM)
I have heard about that mechanical dove thing. I also think I heard that Brett Daniels used to do more than two sleeve tosses.