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Topic: Would you like your watch back sir?
Message: Posted by: Eric Leclerc (Apr 18, 2005 10:17AM)
Watch steals.. I have bought a few books and videos over the years and I just recently started to take the education I learnt from them in action. I love the reaction it gets, now my question is, besides SPONGE BALLS what trick do you do to your "victim" to grab his wrist for 15 seconds?
Message: Posted by: Vandy Grift (Apr 18, 2005 10:32AM)
In Gregory Wilsons "on the spot" He talks about his favorite trick to do when going for a watch steal. I think it would probably work well for you.

Vandy
Message: Posted by: jcigam (Apr 18, 2005 12:21PM)
Most of the watch steals I have witnessed, involve a coin transposition of some kind (pretty violent).

Sincerely,

Jered S.
Message: Posted by: Eric Leclerc (Apr 18, 2005 09:46PM)
Yeah I agree about the violent shakes that look out of place.
Message: Posted by: illuzns (Apr 19, 2005 12:54AM)
I do a watch steal using the Magicians handcuffs (Rubber bands). I've been doing this for a while now. I do still occasionally get caught, but if you’re looking for another routine to use then, this is definitely a great trick to use. You're right though; the reaction is great when your steal is successful.
Good luck.
Illuzns
Message: Posted by: ksalaz1 (Apr 19, 2005 07:28AM)
Watch steals for me are a sub-set within a larger routine. Sponge balls, Gregory Wilson's method, coins across, even Blaine does a watch steal with a card transposition in the spec's hands. If I get caught I use a couple of Gregory Wilson's responses or I immediately go into Mr. Osterlinds time prediction effect involving two spectators.

Ksalaz
Message: Posted by: Roland Henning (Apr 19, 2005 07:57AM)
Card Stab: The spectator is holding a bag with the cards. The magician holds the spectator by the wrist and shakes the bag to shuffle the cards.
Message: Posted by: Tiki (Apr 19, 2005 10:46AM)
If you haven't seen Greg Wilson's "On the Spot," check it out. He offers lots of good ideas on a watch steal, including timing. Well worth the money.

Cheers,

Tiki
Message: Posted by: flourish dude (Apr 19, 2005 10:54AM)
Sponge balls (bunnies) Crazy mans hand cuffs and Lethal Tender coin set are my favorites. I also have done it while stuffin a silk into their hand. Don't worry I don't give them a TT.
Message: Posted by: magiCAD (Apr 19, 2005 12:55PM)
Yeah, the card stab routine was on Kevin King's [i]Watch Bandit[/i].
Message: Posted by: Kipp Sherry (Apr 19, 2005 01:46PM)
I have not used this myself, but I saw Tony Oberio from Seattle use an invisible deck very effectively. It added great comidy as people are working with cards that are not really there, and since they can't see the cards Tony has to keep showing them what to do with their hands.
Message: Posted by: Eric Jones (Apr 19, 2005 04:46PM)
I personally have incorporated a watch steal in my thumb cuff routine.

Anytime you have an opportunity to shield a spectator’s hand with a silk momentarily, why not be a klepto?
Message: Posted by: pikacrd (Apr 20, 2005 07:48AM)
The watch steal is one of the highlights in my close-up and parlor act and I thought that I had a great bit until I came across Peter Gross’s routine for the revel of the watch that can be seen by going to his web page here is the link. http://www.funnymagic.com/videos.html

It does not show the steal that he actually uses but the revel is very funny and creative probably one of the best that I have ever seen and has inspired me to look into ways to make the revel of my routine even better.

Regarding the taking of the watch there are several good sources for material but one that comes to mind if you do not like the idea of the shaking the assistant’s hands with a coin bit is the DVD by Kevin King, titled Watch Bandit. He has some good ideas on the DVD, although I do not really care for the routine that he uses while he is taking the watch the principles that he uses can be applied to other magic effects that involve audience participation.
Message: Posted by: Daegs (Apr 21, 2005 03:45AM)
Wow, Peter has a great reveal!

I only hope that members of the Café who watch the video are mature enough to watch it without stealing Peter's routine! That is a really nice reveal.
Message: Posted by: pikacrd (Apr 21, 2005 08:49AM)
Daegs,
I couldn't agree with you more regarding the stealing of Peter's routine. As I said I think that it has inspired me to look at my routine a bit closer to see where I can improve on it and make it better, and I hope that others do the same without outright coping it. His paper balls routine was really good too.

Kris
Message: Posted by: Eric Leclerc (Apr 26, 2005 10:39AM)
Just spent an hour on this guy's website. I think he's amazing, VERY good performer. I don't think anyone would steal that routine because it's so personalized to him. Plagiarism would be evident.
Message: Posted by: pikacrd (Apr 26, 2005 03:09PM)
Eric,
Welcome to the wacky world of magic, this type of thing happens all of the time.

Kris
Message: Posted by: Eric Leclerc (Apr 27, 2005 12:05PM)
Thanks for "welcoming me" to the world of magic by the way.

I meant you couldn't really rip it off and not get it noticed. Other tricks and presentations are different because a little thing changed can disguise a whole routine. But as for this effect, ripping it off would be evident.
Message: Posted by: pikacrd (Apr 27, 2005 12:34PM)
I absolutely agree with you but it happens all of the time.

Just take a look at some of the magicians out there the next time that you are at an IBM meeting or convention you can tell exactly who is doing whose work directly off of the last TV special or latest DVD release. For example the Ammar tapes, I see people doing his presentations word for word all of the time this is particularly evident on the local level. I have seen people using the exact same routines as Blaine, Copperfield, and Burton a week after there TV specials the one that particularly killed me was this guy that I saw doing the Lance bit where he gives the kid a penny and tells them to go and tell there parents that the Magician said if they put the magic penny under there pillow it will turn into a dollar. This was done line for line exactly like Lance did it on his special and the guy was passing it off as his own. When I asked him about it (without telling him that I was a magician) he said that he had thought it up and that the parents got a real kick out of it.

Please do not read any disrespect into my welcoming comment it was sarcastic in nature. I was just pointing out the obvious that some people will not invest any time into creating there own original material, like Mr. Gross did so well. Worse even is that they will try to pass off the work of others as there own until someone questions them about it. I in no way am attempting to say that this is the majority of magicians out there on the contrary I think that it is the 10% that would do it but it does happen a lot.

Again no disrespect meant at all you and I are on the same sheet of music.

Kris
Message: Posted by: burgerinc (Apr 27, 2005 12:59PM)
How about while using Kenton Knepper Black Tie?
Message: Posted by: Paul D (Apr 29, 2005 06:04PM)
One time I did a watch steal at Cheeta's in Vegas I did the watch steal to a guy who just wanted nothing to do with card tricks and when I revealed his Rolex he quickly offered me $100 when I declined and offered him his ring back he bought me a lap dance and a bottle Glennlivet for me and my girlfriend.
Message: Posted by: Eric Leclerc (Apr 29, 2005 09:34PM)
Ha! That’s the best story I have ever read on Magic Café, congrats man.

As for the "take this and put it under your pillow" line, I think that's where threes room to work with. I mean, if you do it with a piece of rope? Is it the same? If you do it with a dollar bill or a piece of balled up mouth coil after production is it the same? I don't think so. I don't think its ripping it off. If you use exactly the same line like "just tell mom the magician said so" it can even be ok. Honestly, who cares besides magicians? People don't care, agents don't care, and corporations don't care. Only magicians in chat rooms care.

I am not saying if you rip something off exactly like Gross's watch steal its right. (That’s a whole routine on its own) I think that's wrong. But a line? An idea you mold into your own? Come on!

I feel a war starting here. hehe
Message: Posted by: Daegs (Apr 29, 2005 11:50PM)
It doesn't matter if its rope, or whatever.

If you came up with the line yourself, then you are ok.

If you took the line from someone else and slightly changed it for yourself without permission of the author, then you are a thief.

Also, people not caring about ethics has no effect on something actually being right or wrong.

Whether its only "magicians in chat rooms" that care about it or not, stealing someone's lines and passing them off as your own is wrong.

Also:

If you didn't identify yourself as a magician, then I think that performer was completely in the clear for saying the line was his (obviously not for taking it in the first place, but obviously you don't divulge the history of every effect or line to LAYMEN).

I wonder what he would have said had he known you were a magician. That would be what mattered.

If I'm doing Doug Malloy's Lemon Game, and some magician in sheep’s clothing comes asking about how I got the idea for the routine, you had better bet I'd be lying through my teeth about it, questions asked (by laymen) before and after a performance *ARE* part of the performance still...
Message: Posted by: Eddini_81976 (Apr 30, 2005 01:44AM)
Wow more accusations! Oh well, Ed, (Eddini).
Message: Posted by: wol (Apr 30, 2005 04:59AM)
Eric, Check out Derren Brown's Absolute Magic. I have just finished his chapter on pick pocketing and it has a fantastic routine on stealing everything a man owns and holds dear! Truly funny!
Message: Posted by: daz222 (May 2, 2005 04:43PM)
I have them hold two cards and shake their hands together a few times saying they are going to change, either go into card routine then or tell them straight away. I saw it on TV. I can't remember who though.

daz
Message: Posted by: Eric Leclerc (May 3, 2005 01:43AM)
That's the thing I want to avoid. I started this topic because I wanted to know of actual TRICKS that are accomplished during the watch stealing. I hate pretending to do an effect and then ignore the fact nothing happened (like telling them the cards will change places and they don't)

But there are good ideas here. I think sponge balls are the obvious answer so I guess I will have to get over the fact I don't like them.
Message: Posted by: RizlaDizla (May 4, 2005 10:45AM)
I've had Chappy Brazil's DVD for a few months now but have not had the right amount of practice yet. I try it on my friends but haven't stepped over to the next level and tried it on strangers as of yet.
Message: Posted by: daz222 (May 7, 2005 05:19PM)
Oh well! I just bought reality twister and that could be one? You could hold their hand steady and do the move then? daz
Message: Posted by: pikacrd (May 11, 2005 11:43AM)
I concur with Eric Daz that is a great idea that has a lot of potential do you mind if I play around with the idea?

Kris
Message: Posted by: Spydur (May 15, 2005 03:02AM)
I club them over the head and then take their watch! Or I bore them to death with the 21 card trick and take their wallet. To take their tie I tighten it until they cant breath. When they have passed out I remove their tie.

The amazing thing is that they don't notice any of this going on!
Message: Posted by: Marc Woods (May 16, 2005 05:56PM)
I am a really newbee into watch stealing but I am improving like hell since I started my steals.

I've been caught once in 8 steals last weeks!

It gives me a real kick of adrenaline.

What I do?

I make a cigarette vanish and return between my lips, then I offer the spectator to learn that trick and I place the cigarette between their hand...do the steal while they are repeating a spell together with me!

The cig didn't vanish off course, I really teach them the trick so they are happy! :D

Then I tell them we're gonna travel in time, put his hand and my hand together and tell him that I need to know the current time first before we can travel and after the WOOW when he sees his watch is gone I present it back!

It gave me so much great reactions allready!

Marc Woods...
Message: Posted by: Eric Leclerc (May 18, 2005 12:47AM)
I have been concentrating on it a little more these days and am being caught more than ever. I don't know why, maybe it's not fast enough. I get it 50% of the time but it's not good enough for me. The worst is some people don't tell me right away, some know I took their watch, they just let me take it and right before the reveal they say is a mocking tone "can I have my watch back now?" Ouch. It hurts, but it's funny and still amazing for the people watching who didn't see a thing. It's definitely something to master.
Message: Posted by: trombley (Jun 10, 2005 07:08AM)
I have only used a watch steal on a few occaisions and I have found that you can do it easily during scotch and soda or similar coin change thing. for a reveal you can play a game with a spectator and have him loose. Maybe like one of those find the 100 dollar bill games and he finds a dollar. You can then show a display case of consolation prizes and have his watch in there along with other cheap prizes.
Message: Posted by: mickey.w (Jun 14, 2005 03:01PM)
My idea (well inspired by tobias):

Do [url=http://www.themagicbakery.com]The Ivory Connection[/url].
Then, have the spectator pick a die and do dicey dots (you can have contact already)

then with one normal die and one clear die, you can do some die transpo in specs hands (more contact with spectators.)

that's what I do.