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Topic: Stargazer issue need help....
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (May 9, 2005 11:40PM)
Hey I just got mine in the mail today but the instructions are hard does anyone have a demo or an easier way to learn this. Ive looked everywhere and I can't find anything. Any visual would work.
Message: Posted by: Chris Toomey (May 9, 2005 11:44PM)
I don't know of any video of this online, but I do know you can get it from the instructions. I remember having a great deal of trouble learning it from the instructions, but if you put in the time, you'll know when you have it. I know this isn't quite what you wanted, but I promise that if you just sit down with the bands for awhile, maybe while watching tv, you will get it. Good luck.

Chris Toomey
Message: Posted by: Philippe (May 10, 2005 02:24AM)
The instructions are a puzzle but as Chris says, it will come. Read the instructions very slowly. Once you have it you will use it a lot but I find it best as the finale of 2 or 3 Band effects using the Stargazer band as a normal band but keeping it under tension all the time hence when you produce the star it looks extra amazing as 'they' are convinced you were using normal bands.
Message: Posted by: tbaer (May 10, 2005 06:20PM)
I think everyone who got this trick had trouble with the instructions. Because the intructions were complicated, I made up a completely different routine using the rubber band, but the end result was still the same. As the previous threads, just keep working at it and it will come in time.
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (May 10, 2005 07:39PM)
Ok I got it and have been doing it all day, I just need to develope a patter.
Message: Posted by: magicmind (May 12, 2005 12:29PM)
Patter suggestion might be children learning shapes and colors, or turning art (shapes) into reality
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (May 12, 2005 12:32PM)
Sounds good but I am a street and close-up. I don't really deal with kids.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (May 12, 2005 04:26PM)
Paisa23
Congradulations on deciphering Alan Wong's directions. I also had three days of paceing the floor before I figured it out. The critical point in the instructions is step #4 there are many ways to do step #4, but only one correct way. If step #5 falls into a triangle you have it, if it doesn't fall into a triangle you must go back and redoo step #4, everything else kinda falls into place. As far as the patter is concerned you will develop your own from watching people respond to your performance, so don't just practice it, show it to everybody.
Good Luck
Al Angello
(and thank you Alan Wong)
Message: Posted by: Philippe (May 13, 2005 02:04AM)
Hello Paisa, I have mentioned this before. At the appropiate time, I ask a Lady "Can I make you a Star tonight"? Then of I go with Stargazer. They are always relieved that they have no part to play other than receive a gift, so the Ladies reception is generally more than the effect deserves. Always goes down very well, love it.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (May 13, 2005 01:04PM)
Philippe
That is a fabulous intro, and I will use it along with making them blow on the second star, and tell them "when you wish upon a star your dreams will come true" for the big finish. It will work equally well with adult women, or little girls.
Tanks
Al Angello
Message: Posted by: joseph (May 15, 2005 07:08AM)
[quote]
On 2005-05-10 00:40, paisa23 wrote:
Hey I just got mine in the mail today but the instructions are hard does anyone have a demo or an easier way to learn this. Ive looked everywhere and I cant find anything. Any visual would work.
[/quote]

Look [url=https://vault2.secured-url.com/jbtv/home.asp]HERE[/url] and go to videos...they have a nice demo of this great effect.....
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (May 16, 2005 01:39AM)
That is a pretty sweet demo, that's how I have been doing it.
Message: Posted by: Partizan (May 17, 2005 12:18PM)
The stage before the star reveal, I pull the bands into an arrow shape then 'shoot' it into the star.
Message: Posted by: StarGazer (May 29, 2005 08:56AM)
Thank you all for using Stargazer. If you still need help and ideas please email me.

Alan Wong
Message: Posted by: qwism (Jun 4, 2005 02:31PM)
I've never actually seen the effect performed, but I've struggled through the process and instructions to learn it...upon seeing it performed in real life. I must say that it's a really cool effect, when it's done smoothly. I think I'll practice this again.
Message: Posted by: rumburak (Jun 7, 2005 07:33AM)
You can see the effect performed on http://www.magicshop.ch

Just type in "star gazer" in the search field and you can download a video with the performance. That should help you understanding the instructions better.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Jun 7, 2005 07:40AM)
Rumburak
Excellent video, it is even narrated in English.
Thanks
Al
Message: Posted by: Artinct (Jun 19, 2005 05:30PM)
Rumburak,Thank you for leading us to the "stargazer" demo. Now I have it Al. Art in CT
Message: Posted by: eryanic (Jun 20, 2005 02:01PM)
I, too, had a hard time reading through the instructions...I guess it's easier if you already know how to make a star with a rubber band...
But you can call me a person deprived off his childhood coz I have no idea how to make a star, and had to look very, very carefully at the instructions before I finally got it...
It'll help if you actually look at the tiny arrows in the picture, pointing where the fingers should go...

Anyway, great trick! well done Alan!
Message: Posted by: ElliottB (Jul 31, 2005 01:11AM)
AHA!! It seems I found the right place. Iíll have to check out the demos tomorrow. I had no problems teaching myself calculus in grad school, but canít seem to make any sense of these instructions :)

Elliott
Message: Posted by: knmagic (Aug 14, 2005 02:29AM)
And does anyone find a place that sells the refill for this trick? Please share the wealth.
Thank you
Ken
Message: Posted by: Pseudo (Aug 14, 2005 06:30AM)
Check out Mark Fitzgerald site... http://www.ring170.homestead.com/Rubberband.html
He sells some good quality rubberbands.
Message: Posted by: Partizan (Aug 14, 2005 11:30PM)
I don't get you guys. Alan Wong (the creator of Stargazer) offers help and you all ignore him and bleat on about the instructions.

Thank you Alan for the creation of a novel piece of magic that appeals across the board. The instructions are fine it's just that some people want an effect NOW and not have to actually work for it.
Message: Posted by: Philippe (Aug 15, 2005 03:57AM)
Stargazer is a wow with girls. Follow the instructions, you do not need any other help, it's all there. Close the windows and curtains, shut out all noise, direct a strong beam of light on the paper and just concentrate. Amazing how many can not get it. You must persist as it is a great give away. Refills from JB magic.
Message: Posted by: Pseudo (Aug 15, 2005 05:06AM)
Geez... Guys... how do you usually patter for your stargazer. I know there's some thread that has some patter on it but I'm not comfortable with it. Till now, I still find no good reason to make the double star then blow it to become the star rubberband.

I like the effect a lot just that I need a good patter to make the effect even better.
Message: Posted by: Philippe (Aug 16, 2005 09:28AM)
Pseudo, I suggest you do not use the gazer on its own, combine it with another band effect where you use two bands always keeping the gazer taught. That is what I do and they are really surprised when a band they have seen for a couple of minuites, changes shape.
Message: Posted by: Partizan (Aug 17, 2005 11:08AM)
I have a selection of coloured bands that match the stargazers. I always show the band to be normal in its relaxed state then switch out for the star.
Message: Posted by: ElliottB (Aug 22, 2005 02:02PM)
[quote]
On 2005-08-15 00:30, Partizan wrote:
The instructions are fine it's just that some people want an effect NOW and not have to actually work for it.
[/quote]

Thatís a load of BS! I worked for hours trying to figure this out. In a last ditch effort I showed the instructions to some VERY educated friends of mine and none of them could figure it out. There are no sleights here, so it is all about deciphering the instructions. That SHOULD be easy. What this trick needs is either an instructional video or a clearer set of instructions.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Aug 22, 2005 02:36PM)
Elliott
The key is step 4, there are many ways to do step 4, but if step 5 doesn't make the triangle like in the instructions do step 4 differently until step 5 makes the necessary triangle.
Al
Message: Posted by: ElliottB (Aug 22, 2005 03:06PM)
Thanks Al. If I remember correctly, the trick fell apart exactly where you indicated. I successfully made a star, but didnít get the right shape when I removed the two fingers. I tried making the star several different ways, but never managed to get the triangle. Knowing that this is the key to everything, I think Iíll go back and fiddle with the bands some more. At least there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

Thanks again,

Elliott
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Aug 22, 2005 03:24PM)
Elliott
Grab the top of the triangle, twist your hand, and pull your fingers down, insert the two fingers by the bottom of the original triangle, and push the horizontal strand through with your thumb, and you will have the double star.
I hope
Al
Message: Posted by: ElliottB (Aug 22, 2005 03:56PM)
Thanks Al.

Iím still working on getting from step 4 (star) to step 5 (triangle within triangle). I think this will be pretty helpful when I get to the later steps.

Thanks again,

Elliott
Message: Posted by: ElliottB (Aug 22, 2005 04:27PM)
Yes!! By trial and error I was able to finally get from step 4 to step 5. Things are looking good.

Elliott
Message: Posted by: ElliottB (Aug 22, 2005 04:56PM)
Got it!!!

You were right. Once you can get to step 5, the rest is straightforward. I think my points of confusion were twofold:

1) Defining the ďLeft SideĒ of the rubber band?
2) Paragraph 5. I kept on doing this wrong. I would place my finger under the star band and hook down the regular band in that little section where the two bands meet. This gives you the star, but doesnít let you get to step 5. You have to go under the star band (on the left side of the regular band), over and around the star band and then pull down the regular band.


Thanks,

Elliott
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Aug 22, 2005 05:22PM)
Elliott
I paced the floor for three days mumbeling under my breath, I asked for help from anyone at the magic Cafť, and a nice man from the Phillipines walked me through the instructions. The bottom line is you have a two dimentional piece of paper trying to explain a three dimensional trick. Be sure to search all the other stargazer info at the Cafť now that you have the move there is much more you can do with it.
Al
Message: Posted by: ElliottB (Aug 22, 2005 07:54PM)
Thanks. I'll do a search.

Elliott
Message: Posted by: Partizan (Aug 24, 2005 04:29AM)
[b]people want an effect NOW and not have to actually work for it.[/b]

Now you have worked with it and understand it can you see why you did not understand the instructions at first?

There is a good reason why many of your first attempts failed. As the trick requires execution in the correct way or it does not work, you need too learn that way and do it correctly every time.

The fact you were using most of your fingers too solve a 3D puzzle may have overloaded your brain (seriously) and caused fatigue and thus confusion.
Now if you read through the instructions after learning the trick you can't see what the fuss was about.

I dare you to try and make a set of drawings/instructions that describe this trick in a clearer way.
Message: Posted by: martinkey (Aug 24, 2005 04:59PM)
I always follow Crazy Man's Handcuffs with Stargazer so, after CMH, my patter goes like this:
"Here's something even stranger. Did you ever play Cat's Cradle when you were young with bits of string? You remember, you could make different shapes. Well, you can do the same with rubber bands. Here's a little man" (first shape), (release to second shape) "Here's his Y-fronts". (Go into 3rd shape) "Look - modern art, a triangle within a triangle." (Go into final shape) "... and now Renaissance art - a star; and if you look closely you will see that it is inside another star. But here is the strange bit. If I blow on it and stretch it," (pulling the bands about a bit) "and take my fingers out - it becomes a star." (Show star band dangling off the other band.) "Here, a little memento for you."

Not sure if this plays the same outside the UK.

I had no trouble with the instructions.

Martin
Message: Posted by: ElliottB (Aug 24, 2005 06:46PM)
[quote]
On 2005-08-24 05:29, Partizan wrote:
[I dare you to try and make a set of drawings/instructions that describe this trick in a clearer way.
[/quote]

I think that Iíve moved beyond that sort of thing.

Anyone who has had trouble with this knows where things went wrong and what little ambiguity in the instructions led them astray. In my case, I would only have to clarify two small portions of the instructions. On the other hand, other people may have there own difficulties. Therefore, if I were marketing this trick I would definitely include an instructional DVD or at least a link to a video download. Iím convinced that such a tool would allow virtually anyone to master this trick in under 10 minutes.

I would also include the following:

1) A few regular rubber bands that match the colors of the star bands (to facilitate CMH)

2)Some patter ideas

Thanks,

Elliott
Message: Posted by: Partizan (Aug 26, 2005 10:59AM)
Then you should market your own products.
Message: Posted by: MikeRaffone (Aug 29, 2005 01:59PM)
They must have improved the instructions because I just bought stargazer from Daytona Magic last week and it came with detailed instructions WITH drawings. I got it working the first time reading the instructions and had no prior experience with the moves. The only thing needed is some patter.
Message: Posted by: OiNutter (Sep 6, 2005 05:19AM)
Um, this is probs gonna sound a really stupid question but I'm new so I figure I'm allowed the odd one. In the demo video of stargazer that was linked to in this thread what is the trick the guy does before he goes into stargazer as I've seen it performed before and liked it but don't know the name of it. Also where could I learn it.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Sep 6, 2005 06:49AM)
It is called CMH if you google Michael Ammar he will teach it to you.
Al
Message: Posted by: OiNutter (Sep 6, 2005 08:46AM)
Thanks, I had a feeling it was but wasn't sure. Thought I should learn it seeing as I can do all sorts of other band tricks but can't do the classic CMH :)
Message: Posted by: Servaas Koomen (Oct 4, 2009 10:25AM)
I'm a little unsure to buy a bulk of the stuff

I'm a novice magician, and I think this goes very well with my act, but I'm not really sure...
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Oct 5, 2009 01:37PM)
I have given away over 200 star shaped rubber bands this year. I'm sure it's a winner.
Message: Posted by: Scott F. Guinn (Oct 5, 2009 02:43PM)
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On 2005-08-26 11:59, Partizan wrote:
Then you should market your own products.
[/quote]

Elliott markets what may well be the single most successful e-book ever published. He knows whereof he speaks.

Since when it is a crime to post a criticism of a product. People do it all the time. Reviewers do it all the time. Elliott wasn't saying that this trick stunk and the guy who put it out was an idiot. He simply offered his opinion of a few points that would make something for which he PAID HIS MONEY a bit more user friendly. I don't understand why you feel compelled to call him out about it. Did he run over your bicycle or something?

I market a number of products, and I welcome my purchasers' input as to how I can improve them or future releases. One of my items, in particular, seems to be a bit difficult to learn from the printed page (or computer screen), and a number of people have asked that I make a video demo and explanation for it. I don't have the time or budget to do so at this time, but I intend to down the road. So while I may not implement every suggestion, I at least consider them.

I just don't see how it is bad for the purchaser to state an opinion or offer a suggestion for the product he purchased. In fact, I'll wager that at least one time in your life, you have made a critical observation of something you have purchased, whether magic or otherwise. Other people have that same right.