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Topic: The Zero Memorization Memorized Deck
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Rice (May 29, 2005 12:33AM)
I literally purchased this effect yeterday, and this is definitely a hidden gem. This is now a favorite. It requires all most no work by you, only showmanship. The routine is exactly as described, and there are no funny moves. For 5 dollars, how can you go wrong. The routine make3s look like a mind expert, and would fit great in a mentalists act. Go for the 5 dollars, and try it out. It's a fun concept.
Message: Posted by: Greg Arce (May 29, 2005 02:25AM)
I'm assuming it's really not a memorized deck... for instance, if I called out the three of spades could you tell me the exact numerical position in your deck like it's 23rd from the top and if I said what is the 41st card could you say it's the six of diamonds or whatever is really there?
Just curious if it does exactly what can be done with any memorized deck. Also, can a spectator look through it and see no visible pattern?
Greg
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Rice (May 29, 2005 03:27AM)
Yes Greg, you are correct in that it could not be used as a full stack. It uses a half stack. Yes they could look throught the deck and see no pattern, but I can not tell you at whicyh position a card is...The PDF explains this in more detail...so no its not really a mem. deck, yet it is...

Confusing.
Message: Posted by: Greg Arce (May 29, 2005 03:36AM)
Sounds nice, but do yourself a favor and learn a real memorized deck... you'll be glad you did. Learn anyone that's out there: Six Hour, Doug Dyment's Quick Stack, Tamariz stack, Aronson, etc... then get some of the Aronson books to see some wonderful applications.

Greg

P.S. I use the Six Hour stack and I'm so happy I know it and use it.
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (May 29, 2005 04:09AM)
If this is the Andrew Mayne routine it is great. It is not a system just a series of tricks and very good ones.

The idea is that you have a rapid memory and you can memorise cards at an incredible rate. I like it and it's really easy.

Just to let you know though, I use the Tamariz stack and do agree it's a super powerful weapon.

I have used the Andruzzi magazine memory method for years, so I just used that to memorise the Tamariz stack.

James
Message: Posted by: shomemagic (May 29, 2005 04:36AM)
Xiqual, Where can this Andruzzi magazine memory method be found? If it could help me memorize the Aronson stack I would be greatful.
Greg... Have you had any problems applying the 6 hour stack to any of the Aronson or other routines?
Message: Posted by: Greg Arce (May 29, 2005 05:28AM)
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On 2005-05-29 05:36, shomemagic wrote:
Xiqual, Where can this Andruzzi magazine memory method be found? If it could help me memorize the Aronson stack I would be greatful.
Greg... Have you had any problems applying the 6 hour stack to any of the Aronson or other routines?

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I've never tried any of the poker stack or poker demonstration routines, but all his other ideas work with just about any stack. There is one great idea where you never touch the deck and three cards are selected and you are able to tell either the cards or what position they lie in. There's one routine like this in one of his books that I'm dying to use on a stage.
Greg
Message: Posted by: Josho (May 29, 2005 05:54AM)
Shomemagic,

I think the Andruzzi magazine act, which can be purchases from http://www.floraco.com, relies on a memory system very much like the one Harry Lorayne teaches in all his memory books. Do yourself a MAJOR favor: buy one of those books (either "The Memory Book" or "How to Develop a Super-Power Memory" for a buck on http://www.half.com (okay, with shipping, it'll work out to about $4 or $5)...much cheaper than buying the Magazine Memory Act, and once you learn the system (which will take you a very short period of time), the Magazine Memory Act will become quite obvious and downright easy...as will memorizing the stack or just about anything else you want.

Really. Seriously. It will be THE best $5 you've ever spent on magic, and will make all sorts of memorization tasks very easy.

--Josh
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Rice (May 29, 2005 03:28PM)
I own Mnemonica....just thought I would try this routine out...
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (May 29, 2005 07:39PM)
I absolutely agree about Harry Lorayne's books and tapes. Excellent.

I use the magazine memory act in shows and as a demo of super memory. I do like Andruzzi's peg system idea much better though and finding your own associations is the only way to go.

Jonathan said "I own Mnemonica....just thought I would try this routinge out..."

Have you got the stack down? I think Tamariz method is really smart and fast.
I just used my system because I did it while I was driving.

Anyway, I LOVE MNEMONICS!!!!!!
James
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Rice (May 30, 2005 09:11AM)
Working on it...I am a little busy with exams right now...hehe
Message: Posted by: Chris Stolz (Jun 28, 2005 10:42PM)
I have to say that as someone who also does some memorized deck work, Mayne's system is STILL worth it. Why? Because it's simple. It doesn't take a ton of time, and if you don't do it for 3 years, you'll be able to pick it up without a refresher and just do it.

It's a neat concept and worth the read even if it's only for educational purposes. I know that it has sparked my brain to come up with a few neat little ways of using his idea.

If for 5 bucks you can get something that will spark you to come up with your own quality work, do it.

-Chris.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jul 2, 2005 02:43PM)
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On 2005-05-30 10:11, Jonathan Rice wrote:
Working on it...I am a little busy with exams right now...hehe
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If you knew a good mnemonic system it could easily cut down on the amount of time you had to spend memorizing material for tests. It would certainly help you with your organizational skills.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jul 2, 2005 02:46PM)
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On 2005-06-28 23:42, chris_stolz wrote:
I have to say that as someone who also does some memorized deck work, Mayne's system is STILL worth it. Why? Because it's simple. It doesn't take a ton of time, and if you don't do it for 3 years, you'll be able to pick it up without a refresher and just do it.

It's a neat concept and worth the read even if it's only for educational purposes. I know that it has sparked my brain to come up with a few neat little ways of using his idea.

If for 5 bucks you can get something that will spark you to come up with your own quality work, do it.

-Chris.
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Have you ever seen "The Nikola System?" What about the John Cornelius System? What about the material with the Breakthrough system?

None of these systems is worth having if you don't use them. Most of them have effects that can be transferred from one system to the other.

There is very little new in Mnemonics. The principles are easily transferred from one system to another. The trick is to learn a system that gives you plenty of flexibility and will allow expanding into other fields besides cards.
Message: Posted by: Chris Stolz (Jul 3, 2005 10:46AM)
I do know and use the Nikola. I think it's great. It took me roughly 3 hours to learn, and was worth every second.

I do however, also enjoy Mayne's idea here. I think it's important to try new things and I found this to be something I enjoyed.

I think there are far more interesting things you can do with it that Mayne has really missed out on.

- Chris
Message: Posted by: The Mac (Jul 8, 2005 04:14PM)
Andrew Maynes idea isn't a new idea at all. Derren Brown states and explains this idea of a stack in Pure Effect. Derren doesn't make a big deal about it- its just part of the handling.

lukker bye!
Message: Posted by: budionodarmawan (Jul 10, 2005 03:04PM)
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On 2005-07-02 15:46, Bill Palmer wrote:
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On 2005-06-28 23:42, chris_stolz wrote:
I have to say that as someone who also does some memorized deck work, Mayne's system is STILL worth it. Why? Because it's simple. It doesn't take a ton of time, and if you don't do it for 3 years, you'll be able to pick it up without a refresher and just do it.

It's a neat concept and worth the read even if it's only for educational purposes. I know that it has sparked my brain to come up with a few neat little ways of using his idea.

If for 5 bucks you can get something that will spark you to come up with your own quality work, do it.

-Chris.
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Have you ever seen "The Nikola System?" What about the John Cornelius System? What about the material with the Breakthrough system?

None of these systems is worth having if you don't use them. Most of them have effects that can be transferred from one system to the other.

There is very little new in Mnemonics. The principles are easily transferred from one system to another. The trick is to learn a system that gives you plenty of flexibility and will allow expanding into other fields besides cards.


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Nikola system is not universal, means you have to adapted to your own language. if your language is english, you r fortunate enough then. but for other language...
I learn and made myself a peg list on nikola system for 3 months, it worked. I used it a lot. After that, I learn the breakthrough card system. It is a great invention. But still it is a cyclical stack, not memorized system. although Mr Osterlind made the newer version of BCS, but if I am not mistaken, he ever said that his stack is not to memorized.
The new one I learned is mnemonica. It is great, universal, and like you said, the method can be transffered to other stack. The one that I really like and use a lot in mnemonica is it can come from new deck order, become staystack, and then return to new deck order.
I ever heard about the cornellius system, but I couldn't find out where can I learn that stack. Can you give me any information ? And what is the features off joyal stack system ?
Best Regards


Budiono
Message: Posted by: amakar (Jul 15, 2005 09:20AM)
Anyone use the Ireland Stack?
Message: Posted by: magicuncle (Jul 16, 2005 11:18PM)
I have used Andrew Maynes version and I noticed that is similar to Derren's in 'Pure Effect'. Also, Charles Gauci is teaching a version in his current lecture which he calls "Super Memory". I cannot remember who he credits for the idea, but I remember he said he has used it for a decade or more. I will say the effect is wonderful regardless of origin, I have to beleive it's one of those techniques that's just been around for a long time and the originator has been lost in the shuffle.