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Topic: Religion and Bizarre Magic your opinion
Message: Posted by: froggyman (May 31, 2005 01:58PM)
I enjoy Bizarre magic. I love to watch the old horror movies. My problem is That I am a christian who attends church every sunday. Teaches Sunday School etc... Do you feel it is against the Christian way of living to do Effects about severed heads, Burried alive etc... This is something I have been struggling with for a number of years.
Froggy
Message: Posted by: Jaz (May 31, 2005 04:14PM)
Bizarre magic doesn't have to be about horror. It's more about storytelling with a bit of magic thrown in.
The story can be send a biblical message, be about strange coincidences, ancient myths or other subjects.

Severed, and shrunken, heads has a real history.
Being buried alive should be OK with the right story behind it.

Try to add a Christian message to the stories.

Read "The good news" topics here at the Café'.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (May 31, 2005 05:57PM)
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On 2005-05-31 14:58, froggyman wrote:
I enjoy Bizarre magic. I love to watch the old horror movies. My problem is That I am a christian who attends church every sunday. Teaches Sunday School etc... Do you feel it is against the Christian way of living to do Effects about severed heads, Burried alive etc... This is something I have been struggling with for a number of years.
Froggy
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Let me suggest that you familiarize yourself with the breadth and depth of the literature before you lump all of it in with severed heads, buried alive, etc. If you have been struggling with this for a number of years, it seems to me that you haven't been struggling in the right direction.

Ritual magic and horror magic are just two of the rooms in the mansion of story magic. Get some of the good literature on the subject and take a different twist on it.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (May 31, 2005 06:18PM)
I did a juggling job at a church once, the minister took me aside and told me that they loved jugglers, but "we don't believe in magic, it is the work of the devil so please don't do any here".
There are people in this world that derive pleasure from wipeing the smile off your face, and in my opinion they deserve to be offended. Some church's have changed "Holloween" to "a creation celebration" are you willing to go that far?
My agnostic opinion
Al
Message: Posted by: Terry Holley (May 31, 2005 08:02PM)
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On 2005-05-31 19:18, juggleral wrote:

There are people in this world that derive pleasure from wipeing the smile off your face, and in my opinion they deserve to be offended.
Al
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But then do those who derive pleasure from offending deserve to have the smile wiped off their face? :hmm:

Terry
Message: Posted by: mormonyoyoman (May 31, 2005 11:02PM)
[quote]
On 2005-05-31 18:57, Bill Palmer wrote:

Ritual magic and horror magic are just two of the rooms in the mansion of story magic. Get some of the good literature on the subject and take a different twist on it.

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Would you recommend some of the good literature? I've sorta got a hankering to set some magic to a Dr Seuss story - which may or may not be off-topic.

*jeep!
--Chet
Message: Posted by: kregg (Jun 1, 2005 10:38AM)
If an audience takes offense by what you do, market you wares to a different audience or choose a different venue.
We've all had audience member's who shudder at the sight of a pentagram (out of ignorance thanks to Hollywood), who are petrified when they see a dove outside a cage, there are those who associate a card trick with "sinful gambling" or general magic as the devils work.
Faith is not unshakable, perhaps for some, the fear of loosing faith is their built-in V-Chip.
Message: Posted by: ufo (Jun 1, 2005 10:48AM)
The essence of "bizarre" magic is to wrap the trick around a story that has the power to engage the full imaginations of the audience and let the trick underscore the meaning of the story. The goal being that the magic registers with meaning and memory for the audience as opposed to "30 seconds of eye candy." Seems to me that Gospel magicians would really be all over this approach. The more legitimate meaning you have to communicate, the stronger the magic should play.

P.S. And as to the "smile-wipers" mentioned in the previous post; lets all say it together; mean-spirited, small-minded, imagination-less, rock-headed mean people are unsuitable for representing God to anyone. So there.
Message: Posted by: Clifford the Red (Jun 1, 2005 01:50PM)
Bizarre Magic is definitely an artful approach to magic. Like art, it intends to convey meaning and emotion and does it through story-telling. I much prefer this over the commerical version of magic which is often narrated with "Now I'm going to do this..." Bizarrists really concentrate on controlling every aspect of the performance - the props - (physical look, tactile feel, authenticity, smell, age, etc) the effect, the timing , the mood, the narration, the delivery, even available scents can enhance the effect and make it a much more vivid experience. Combined with a story that grabs and elicits emotion, you have an extremely engaging effect. It is interactive theatre at it's best and most powerful, because you engage people personally and impart knowledge and emotion with your art.

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On 2005-06-01 00:02, mormonyoyoman wrote:

Would you recommend some of the good literature? I've sorta got a hankering to set some magic to a Dr Seuss story - which may or may not be off-topic.

*jeep!
--Chet [/quote]





I think you could make a delightful piece reciting a well-known poem from childhood. You could even make it suitable for adult audiences by playing with their nostalgia. You could even make a spectacle of the absurd by combining a recitation with some manipulation act (think Green Eggs & Ham combined with card production) - that could be funny! It all comes down to matching magic effects to a narration. Get out yer Seuss books and start reading for ideas. That may finally be a suitable use for those horrid magician flowers you pull out of your sleeve, very Seuss.

As far as the lit, I love Eugene Burger's material, he has a deep understanding of presentation, Punx is delightful, Bob Neale, Jeff McBride has some great stagework, lots of great examples.
Message: Posted by: drkptrs1975 (Jun 1, 2005 03:00PM)
In on itself, no.
Message: Posted by: tbaer (Jun 1, 2005 04:09PM)
Froggyman, if your spiritually struggling with it than maybe you shouldn't do it to be on the safe side. I can only speak for myself, but in my own personal spiritual life, if I don't have a good feeling about something or I have mixed feelings about something, I tend not to do it.
Message: Posted by: Terry Holley (Jun 1, 2005 09:59PM)
Froggy - my advice to you is found in a couple of verses. Check out Romans 14:23 and Philippians 4:8. I think that these may be helpful as you think it all through.

I perform mentalism, but the context of the performance is not one where I attempt to convince the audience that I have a special power. It is n fact geared to be a discerning look at those who claim such power.

It may be that you can work within a bizarre context and still bring glory to God. You just need to think it through as there have been many people who have claimed to do some interesting things in the name of God (from strippers to televangelists)!

I would love to hear a bizarre treatment that shares the Gospel from those who have posted here! Not saying that it can't be done, as I haven't given it any thought, but it seems like it might be a stretch!

I realize that you are not necessarily thinking about how to merge the Gospel with the bizarre, as you are just thinking through your relationship with it, but I still would like to see someone who believes that the two fit together come up with something that merges them!

Terry
Message: Posted by: weepinwil (Jun 2, 2005 07:02AM)
I quit doing magic in myc churches because of a few narrow minded, superstitous people who equate magic with evil. It is a decision we all must make.
Message: Posted by: Clifford the Red (Jun 2, 2005 09:17PM)
[quote]
On 2005-06-01 22:59, Terry Holley wrote:

It may be that you can work within a bizarre context and still bring glory to God. You just need to think it through as there have been many people who have claimed to do some interesting things in the name of God (from strippers to televangelists)!

I would love to hear a bizarre treatment that shares the Gospel from those who have posted here! Not saying that it can't be done, as I haven't given it any thought, but it seems like it might be a stretch!

I realize that you are not necessarily thinking about how to merge the Gospel with the bizarre, as you are just thinking through your relationship with it, but I still would like to see someone who believes that the two fit together come up with something that merges them!
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Well in light of your affinity for pointing out the evil of offending people, I am surprised that you feel so free in offending Bizarrists by equating them with strippers and acting incredulous at the thought that a Bizarre performance could be more meaningful than idiotic "patter". Maybe you had trouble reading or understanding the posts in English that explained the Bizarre approach. All you had to do was ask.
Message: Posted by: Terry Holley (Jun 3, 2005 12:01AM)
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On 2005-06-02 22:17, Clifford the Red wrote:
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On 2005-06-01 22:59, Terry Holley wrote:

It may be that you can work within a bizarre context and still bring glory to God. You just need to think it through as there have been many people who have claimed to do some interesting things in the name of God (from strippers to televangelists)!

I would love to hear a bizarre treatment that shares the Gospel from those who have posted here! Not saying that it can't be done, as I haven't given it any thought, but it seems like it might be a stretch!

I realize that you are not necessarily thinking about how to merge the Gospel with the bizarre, as you are just thinking through your relationship with it, but I still would like to see someone who believes that the two fit together come up with something that merges them!
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Well in light of your affinity for pointing out the evil of offending people, I am surprised that you feel so free in offending Bizarrists by equating them with strippers and acting incredulous at the thought that a Bizarre performance could be more meaningful than idiotic "patter". Maybe you had trouble reading or understanding the posts in English that explained the Bizarre approach. All you had to do was ask.
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Clifford:

I'm not sure how you came to these conclusions, as I did not equate Bizarrists with any other group. I simply stated that Froggy should think it through, as it is easy to rationalize much in the name of God.

Over the years I have come to the conclusion that "taking the Lord's name in vain" is more than using it alongside profanity. It includes such thing as doing my own will and attempting to disguise it as God's will. I know because I have been guilty of it.

I must also take issue with your statement that I am "acting incredulous at the thought that a Bizarre performance could be more meaningful than idiotic 'patter'." I never mentioned anything about Bizarre performances and meaning or lack thereof.

You will also notice that I mentioned that it seems like it might be a stretch to share the Gospel through the Bizarre. My definition of the word "Gospel" comes from 1 Corinthians 15:1-8. I did not say that it might be a stretch to fit it in with a biblical illustration, but with the "Gospel" message of Jesus Christ crucified, buried, and risen.

I actually have performed a Bizarre effect that I created (based on published principles of others) using the Bible while "channeling" the biblical personage Moses. I created it for use during the heyday of channeling, and performed it to help people understand how easy it is to be deceived.

Although I do not consider myself that knowledgeable in the Bizarre, I do frequent the Bizarre thread here at the Magic Café and do some casual reading at times on the subject. I do believe that I have a feel for the genre, contrary to your statement about my not understanding it.

As I said, "I would love to hear a bizarre treatment that shares the Gospel from those who have posted here! Not saying that it can't be done, as I haven't given it any thought, but it seems like it might be a stretch!"

Maybe you can rise to the challenge, create a "Bizarre Gospel" routine, post it here, and let those who frequent this thread evaluate it.

Terry
Message: Posted by: llsouder (Jun 3, 2005 02:46PM)
[quote]
On 2005-06-01 22:59, Terry Holley wrote:

I simply stated that Froggy should think it through, as it is easy to rationalize much in the name of God.

Over the years I have come to the conclusion that "taking the Lord's name in vain" is more than using it alongside profanity. It includes such thing as doing my own will and attempting to disguise it as God's will. I know because I have been guilty of it.

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Wow, isn't that the truth! I know this but I never realized it was "using the Lord's name in vain." Wow, good point and biblically backed up by the ten commandments!

And along this same lines: I reserve the weird magic for entertainment around the campfire. Church and sunday school shouldn't be entertainment(Dave Hunt's http://www.thebereancall.org is really rubbing off on me) Old fashion is good! rah rah organ music, hymns and the KJV (even though I use the NASB and NIV :) )

I am always ready to present the Gospel message to a group using a torn and restored paper, but I hold back on other object lessons unless I know it will burn that message into their mind, because the real reason I am there is to educate the kiddies about Christ and why they should love Him and how to follow Him.

On the other hand, I must say that the bizzare type magic would serve this purpose well because it's always something people remember.

okay I am torn!
Message: Posted by: Clifford the Red (Jun 3, 2005 05:32PM)
Terry,

I did read your post and your inferences were quite clear, including your continued inference that Bizarre, or storytelling magic, is offensive to God. Your "challenge" to prove you wrong simply illustrates your predisposition to make judgement.

I reiterate my assertion of your obvious lack of understanding of Bizarre. I hardly think frequenting the Bizarre forum, or casual reading, constitutes any kind of feeling about the depth and breadth of Bizarre Magic. And you think a channeling exposure routine constitutes Bizarre. Yeesh. You have heard from several people who cared enough about the art to speak up, including a legend of Magic, Bill Palmer, that defining Bizarre as spooky or occult magic is absurd.

I have several Bizarre routines that would illustrate, but I am not in the business of giving away my artistic creativity and hard work, and I certainly don't need it "evaluated" by posters on a Forum. Here are some free ideas but someone else can do the work: A presentation could be as simple as illustrating a single beattitude or several, or a parable. There are wonderful themes in these that you could readily run with by writing a presentation and matching with some illustrative magical effects.

The idea is to create an artful presentation where the presentation is enhanced by magic, not just patter for a trick. The presentation can be developed to the point where it is very poignant and creates a vivid emotional response. The components of the presentation should be addressed at extreme detail. Does your scripting make sense? Have you used non-verbal cues to their greatest benefit? (silence, expression, touch, leaning, gestures, etc.) Have you defined your theme and the emotional response you are seeking? Is the mood congruent with the theme? Is your character congruent with the presentation? Have you fact-checked your script for accuracy? Are your props as authentic as possible? Is the prop aged properly? Is lighting or sound critical to your effect? Does the placement of the effect in your show create the best emotional journey? Have you vetted your effect with a director? Would the presentation be compelling and stand on it's own without any magic? Etcetera, etcetera.

Did you see any occult themes or severed heads there? Of course not. You create art that is appropriate for the market and themes you are targeting!
Message: Posted by: Terry Holley (Jun 3, 2005 09:00PM)
Clifford:

I appreciate your input. I don't feel that Bizarre or storytelling magic is offensive to God. Some might be, but that is the case for all magic - even poor Gospel Magic might possibly be offensive to Him because of the lack of quality.

I posted the following on another magic discussion board after hearing of the death of Jay Marshall:

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Believe it or not, I met Jay at a Fellowship of Christian Magicians Convention at Winona Lake, Indiana, in the mid 1980's.

Our discussion took place one afternoon after he had the opportunity to view at least one of the evening shows that included various performers.

As we were talking about the week in general, he stated that he was impressd by the "family-feel" at the FCM Conference. But he then asked me a question that I have never forgotten.

His question went something like this. "If the message that the gospel magicians give is so important and if they believe it has eternal significance, why do so many wrap it in such a poor package?" Of course he was talking about the quality of the performance.

It hit me like a ton of bricks and it caused me to do some deep soul-searching regarding the quality of my presentation when performing that genre of magic.

I don't know what Jay thought about the gospel message, but he realized that if it was as important as many believe, it should be presented with excellence.

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Based on several of your comments in your last response, it doesn't seem that any further discussion on the topic will be profitable, so I won't attempt to carry it on any further.

I have opened another thread however in "The spooky, the mysterious...the bizarre!" area of the Magic Café to get some input on the relationship between Bizarre and Gospel Magic from those who frequent that particular area.

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=119256&forum=14#0

You may want to check in to see how the discussion goes.

Terry
Message: Posted by: Clifford the Red (Jun 3, 2005 09:14PM)
[quote]
On 2005-06-03 22:00, Terry Holley wrote:
Clifford:

I appreciate your input. I don't feel that Bizarre or storytelling magic is offensive to God. Some might be, but that is the case for all magic - even poor Gospel Magic might possibly be offensive to Him because of the lack of quality.[/quote]

I appreciate your clarification! I heartily agree with the last comment! If I have taken offense without cause, I apologize for my actions and terse response. Sometimes I read the subtleties of words as intentional (I am a writer and love subtleties) where they may just be words. [quote]

I posted the following on another magic discussion board after hearing of the death of Jay Marshall:

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Believe it or not, I met Jay at a Fellowship of Christian Magicians Convention at Winona Lake, Indiana, in the mid 1980's.

Our discussion took place one afternoon after he had the opportunity to view at least one of the evening shows that included various performers.

As we were talking about the week in general, he stated that he was impressd by the "family-feel" at the FCM Conference. But he then asked me a question that I have never forgotten.

His question went something like this. "If the message that the gospel magicians give is so important and if they believe it has eternal significance, why do so many wrap it in such a poor package?" Of course he was talking about the quality of the performance.

It hit me like a ton of bricks and it caused me to do some deep soul-searching regarding the quality of my presentation when performing that genre of magic.

I don't know what Jay thought about the gospel message, but he realized that if it was as important as many believe, it should be presented with excellence.

*************[/quote]

Excellent! You may be a Bizarrist and don't even realize it :O[quote]

It does seem to me that you want to run away from the fact that Bizarre magic does include the "spooky or occult," although I would agree that those factors don't define it.
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I don't see how explaining the breadth of performance themes constitutes "running away". Movies have different themes too, but I wouldn't deny there are spooky or occult ones there as well. My point was that your feeling that "it would be a stretch" seemed to root with your conceptions of what Bizarre is. But I am glad you appreciate my definition.

Bizarre is an approach to the art, not a theme. Perhaps that clarifies. I do recognize there exists the misconception, as even evidenced by the chose title of the Bizarre Forum! What can ya do.
Message: Posted by: sinnead zenun (Jun 3, 2005 09:17PM)
For me bizarre and gospel is the same as well as different...
they are same for the category of story telling, making the magic more emotional,much more focus on the message and presentation...
the difference is the topic or the subject...

and I think that the problem in the term bizarre magick is the labeling... bizarre magick branches into many different types... and gospel is more focus on god's word...

terry you may want to check this website :) regarding mixing bizarre and gospel...

because we disobeyed he wept by brother kotah
http://www.dragonskull.co.uk/extra_lecture16.htm

raindrops keep fallin on my head by de nomolos ( I really love this one)
http://www.dragonskull.co.uk/extra_lecture26.htm

to froggyman: yes, maybe its against the christian belief... let your conscience guide you... my advice is maybe you can do a routine regarding with this buried alive or horror movies... but in the end, show that the good prevails... that god protect us from evil...or something like that...
Message: Posted by: Viano (Jun 3, 2005 09:43PM)
As a bazarrist, I can say with confidence that you can not find better advice than you have received here.

I often perform at church affairs. I am not a member of any of them and nobody has ever asked. When I am in their house, I treat them with respect and they return it.
I do not do hypnosis in churches and we don't use trances. Other than that, we pretty much do our regular show.

I have only faced " the curse of Moses" once and we agreed to disagree as gentlemen.

I suspect that you are sensitive enough to recognize what might be offensive to special audiences. My rule is that I don't want to alter their belief system, even if I disagree with it. They hire me to entertain, not to convert.

I recently watched Andre Kole perform at a state college that is generally very hostile to Christianity. He did a spectacular secular magic show and then had a brief intermission before doing some gospel magic. He announced what he was going to do after the intermission and said that the intermission would permit anyone who might be offended to leave quietly. A few left and the rest of the show was very memorable. He was there to tell his personal story. He did it with class and there were no problems.

I look for venues that fit my favorite show and I also modify shows to fit specific venues.

A dear friend recently told me that you should do magic to draw attention to yourself. You should attract people to your religeon by what is in your heart and how you live your life.

Rich
Message: Posted by: Jaz (Jun 5, 2005 09:05AM)
[quote]Terry Holley wrote:
Maybe you can rise to the challenge, create a "Bizarre Gospel" routine, post it here, and let those who frequent this thread evaluate it. [/quote]

The message of the discovery of the empty tomb, Jesus' appearing to Magdalene could be the formation of a nice routine.
A coin could be used depicting Jesus and an Okito Box for the tomb.
Another option might be to use a crucifix depicting Jesus and possbly a Rattle Box.
How about a statuette of Jesus an Production Screen or Squared Circle.
Message: Posted by: Terry Holley (Jun 5, 2005 02:32PM)
I apologize to any and all (especially Clifford) who were offended with anything I said previously, as it honestly was not my intent. Thank you Clifford for your words of reconciliation.

I also want to mention to Clifford that in an attempt to think through everything that I was posting so it wouldn't be offensive, I even edited out the line, "It does seem to me that you want to run away from the fact that Bizarre magic does include the 'spooky or occult,' although I would agree that those factors don't define it," in my original post of Jun 3, 2005 10:00pm.

After I posted that sentence, I came to the conclusion that the words could generate more heat than light, so I deleted it. It appears that you quoted and replied (in a most gracious manner by the way) somewhere in that time zone that allowed you to quote the original but yet allow me to edit it. For that reason the quote exists but the original statement does not. I hope that all makes sense. If you think I go to extremes in explanations, you should check out one I gave in the "Deceptive Side of Magic" thread a while back. In case you have too much time on your hands, here you go:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=43866&forum=94&17

Anyway...

Before any one points out to me what I stated in an earlier post ("It doesn't seem that any further discussion on the topic will be profitable, so I won't attempt to carry it on any further"), I would like to add something that deals with Froggy's initial comment and not the debate about what is or isn't Bizarre Magic (at least I hope this will be the case).

When I look at his question, I believe it really wasn't about a definition of Bizarre Magic, it was about working with the tension that he feels when he, as a Christian, interacts with the horror genre, whether that be films or that part of Bizarre Magic that leans that way (can you tell I'm trying to do my best here not to offend anyone?).

I believe that sometimes we can become a little too introspective when evaluating our spiritual walk, but I do think that he has raised a valid concern about how believers in Christ are to relate to any medium that carries a "dark side" to it.

As I understand it, this is part of the uproar in some Christian circles about the Harry Potter stories and involvement in Halloween.

Now my only question is, "Froggy, are you going to respond to any of this and let us know how the processing in your mind/heart is going?"

Terry
Message: Posted by: Chessmann (Jun 5, 2005 03:11PM)
Some thoughts:

Know your audience - in this case, the pastor, deacons, etc... Make sure they know what kind of show that your are going to give, and discuss it.

You know, there are a lot of pastors who know nothing about magic, perhaps they have only seen it in one context. Therefore, that pastor is naturally going to be against magic in his church. After discussion, and perhaps a preview, sharing with him *exactly* the point - the role - that the bizarre effect is to have (in other words, it's *purpose*), he may get it and be on board. For others it is just too much outside their realm of experience, and they cannot accept it as something that can be terribly good.

Honor the pastor(s). Remember, they are serving God the best that they know how. They probably get broadsided by unthinking people all the time. Even if the pastor does not agree with a positive view of bizarre magic, at least behave in a way that will make him think about it, and associate bizarre magic in a more positive light than he once did. Then, maybe next time....

Mark
Message: Posted by: Clifford the Red (Jun 8, 2005 11:13AM)
[quote]
On 2005-06-05 15:32, Terry Holley wrote:

I believe that sometimes we can become a little too introspective when evaluating our spiritual walk, but I do think that he has raised a valid concern about how believers in Christ are to relate to any medium that carries a "dark side" to it.

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Hi Terry,

Being that we've sorted out our spirited discussions, why stop! Regarding this comment, everything has a "dark side" to it, either in the form of current practice or seedy history. I agree that the term Bizarre does carry with it some inherent associations, regardless of how it has evolved. Perhaps a solution is to take the lessons learned and, just as Bizarre created a subset of magic, you could create a subset of Gospel Magic, using the lessons of the art gleened from the Bizarre Movement. BTW, I did post a link to a great Bizarre Gospel routine in your other thread that came around in this forum. I think that effectively illustrates the use of Bizarre principles in a Gospel setting.
Message: Posted by: ptbeast (Jun 14, 2005 11:10PM)
This has been an interesting discussion. Unfortunately, Froggyman has not
returned to share if the responses have adequately answered his question.

Froggyman, if you read this, I would advise you to study Romans chapter
14 very carefully. I think that the bottom line is that you must know
yourself and know your audience well. If what you are doing feels wrong
to you, then maybe you should consider not doing it. Likewise, you need
to understand your audience. You don't want to challenge someone else’s
faith, just entertain them.

In my case, I perform routines involving ghosts, werewolves, and more.
I am comfortable with that as long as my audience understands that what
they are seeing is theater. But those are the parameters that work for me,
you must determine what works for you and your audience. And what works
may change over time.

You are asking important questions. Pray, study, then search yourself
for the answer. Good luck.

Dave
Message: Posted by: God-glorified (Jun 20, 2005 07:45PM)
I have seen Eugene Burger perform Bizzre magic...........some was too unnecessary for my faith....some was perfectly fine.........just be careful
Message: Posted by: Euangelion (Jun 24, 2005 05:44AM)
No one should be surprised at Eugene's skill in bizarre magic. He is both a well trained magician and well-schooled in philosophy and theology. Eugene is willing to push people with both which is a lesson for all of us.

We may disagree between bizarrists and among gospel magicians as to how far or in what ways we can push people to limits through our magic but magic that does not provoke thought or emotion is only like a TV rattling on in the background or a best a poorly applied tool.

The goal of the presenting the gospel in any form is the inbreaking of the kingdom of God's grace in Jesus Christ. While denominations may disagree as to the amount and nature of the emotional nature of that event to deny it emotional relevance is non-sense. When a captive is set free or struggles with life there is emotional response and it may have a wide range: joy, confusion, fear, distrust, etc. Capturing those possibilities in a moment of storytelling and illusion with both technical and communicative skill is what bizarre magic and its subset gospel magic are about.