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Topic: Putting Together Routines
Message: Posted by: njh (Jun 9, 2005 10:53PM)
I'm stringing together routines for walkaround type magic. Routining is a completely new thing for me. I've only just started to change the tricks I perform depending on my interactions with the audience and their reactions/involvement. Here is what I have come up with. I would really appreciate any comments. Please be brutally honest. I am having difficulty because I only perform 15 or so card tricks on a regular basis, and I've realized that many could not be more different from each other.

GROUP ONE
1) Kostya Kimlat's Orlando Opener (Two cards selected. First is produced by a top-shot, this card then changes into the second selection.)
2) Sandwich Routine
3) Jay Sankey's Back In Time (Triumph)
4) Ambitious Card

This set has variety and the effects do not need different cards for each one. After the opener, a single card can be signed and used for the whole thing.

GROUP TWO
1) Hallucinogenic Gaze (A Queen changes into a selection, then quickly changes back in the fairest manner possible)
2)Ace Production
3)Dr. Daley's Last Trick
4) Harry Lorayne's Out of My Control (card is selected, spectator deals cards out, the card they stop at is their card)

This set is very visual, and finishes strong with an effect where the spectator does the magic.

GROUP THREE
1) Paul Harris's Backlash
2) Doug Conn's Chameleon Sandwich (combination color changing deck and sandwich effect)
3) 2 Card Transposition
4) Moving Holes on Card
5) An effect of mine that combines Paul Harris's Overkill with Dean Dill's Blizzard

This is probably one of the longer sets. It has effects where the magic speaks for itself, and others where my presentation is personal and involves a story. It also shows off the versatility of the magician's abilities (i.e. more than just finding cards).

GROUP FOUR
1) Spectators cut to the Aces
2) Invisible Palm
3) Poker Deal
4) Cards Across

This is a gambling themed routine with tons of spectator involvement.
Message: Posted by: sjballa147 (Jun 9, 2005 11:04PM)
Looks pretty good sounds like you know what you doing
Message: Posted by: njh (Jun 9, 2005 11:09PM)
P.S.

What's most important to me in the routines is variety and logical progression.
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Jun 10, 2005 01:06AM)
You won't know until you give it a shot.

In fact, someone might ask you a question after trick #1 that could
very well be answered by showing trick #2.

if you find several people ask this same question,
then consider moving things around to suit what seems to naturally occur.

It's good you're thinking about it, though.
Have a reason for why you put them in a certain order,
but don't hesitate to change the order later for a different reason.
Message: Posted by: davidpaul$ (Jun 10, 2005 07:05AM)
I know you are asking about routining of the "card" effects you listed and Frank Starsini answers that. My question?? Do you do anything besides card work?? You mention variety, what about effects other than cards such as copper silver brass for example. You change cards why not show how you can also make coins change.
Mixing cards with other effects, I think would be more entertaing for the spectator.

David Paul
Message: Posted by: njh (Jun 12, 2005 12:10PM)
I do some coin magic, but I find cards to be immensely more practical and versatile.
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Jun 12, 2005 01:48PM)
I could walk around and do cards all day but I think it is very important to use other things. Good point.

Cards, coins, ninja rings, silks.
Message: Posted by: doug brewer (Jun 14, 2005 04:22PM)
Ring & string, sponge balls (for kids - priceless), rubberbands

you must have variety - okay "must" is a strong word - but variety is "highly recommended"
Message: Posted by: Scott F. Guinn (Jun 14, 2005 07:33PM)
Gotta go with Doug on this. You can do card work, especially for tables of all men, but for ladies and kids in particular, my rule of thumb is that each set have at least as many (if not double) non-card routines as card routines. For example, my most ofte-repeated table-hopping set is:

1) PB&J (my sponge ball routine)
2) Magic Western Union (my routine for Flying Eagles)
3) Red Hot Mam's Lips (card routine)

However, like I said, if you get a group of guys, especially guys who get together to play poker, you can do nothing but cards all night and they'll love it!

Finally, keep in mind that there is an awful lot of advice out there, from a lot of different people. (I include my own advice in this.) These people come from different levels of experience, expertise, geographical regions and different schools of thought. Much of the advice is contradictory, regarding almost every facet of performing; from getting the gig to approaching the table to whether you can or should sit or stand to whether you should use a surface or everything in yourhands, to what effects you should do.

Some of these "experts" really are experts or at least working journeymen with lots of experience and some are total frauds who've never done an actual show in their lives. But the bottom line is simply this: definitely consider the advice that is given, especially from those more experienced than you who you know you can trust, but bear in mind that it is not written in stone. If something is working for you and you're out there getting paid to perform on a regular basis, keep doing what you are doing. While I personally do not recommend doing nothing but cards, if you can do it, keep a steady gig and get private bookings and make what you want to make, stand firm and do what works for you! The only way to truly be a success is to do what is successful for you!
Message: Posted by: Michael Bilkis (Jun 14, 2005 08:33PM)
Richard Osterlind has made some great comments on routiningbased on chapter one in the third volume of the Tarbell course. Do a search and read his comments. Very practical.

Michael