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Topic: Doors, Part Three
Message: Posted by: Stephen Buxton (Jun 25, 2005 09:52AM)
Another door, another sign.


Most people will have heard of The Campaign for Clear English. Not many people will have heard of the organisation, Campaign for Clear Gobbledygook. If you go into their office headquarters, you will find a door with a sign marked with the letters P I E. What does it mean?

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There is an additional race - to see if anyone can solve it before Stan Algar does... (grin)
Message: Posted by: blazes816 (Jun 25, 2005 04:03PM)
I really think that we need to ban stan from these things. just kidding. if it wasn't for him these would never get answered.
Message: Posted by: blazes816 (Jun 25, 2005 04:10PM)
SPLICE? It's an acronym meaning: Stock Point Logistics Integrated Computing Environment
Message: Posted by: Stephen Buxton (Jun 25, 2005 05:18PM)
Splice? Far too logical for the CCFCG.
Message: Posted by: blazes816 (Jun 25, 2005 05:42PM)
Wait. If it's gobbledygook mabey it means just what it says "Pie".
Message: Posted by: stanalger (Jun 25, 2005 05:44PM)
[quote]
On 2005-06-25 10:52, Stephen Buxton wrote:

There is an additional race - to see if anyone can solve it before Stan Algar does... (grin)

[/quote]

Let's not forget that it was Mike Paris who got the ball rolling
in the right direction on Part One...and it was Mike Paris who
finished off Part Two in very short order (after a good guess from
scott b. and a "dangerously close" guess from Lambertmoon.)

In fact, Mike's first post on Part One could be considered
a precognitive answer to the as-yet-unposted Part Two. Mike,
are you a mentalist?

Stan Alger
Message: Posted by: mike paris (Jun 25, 2005 06:34PM)
Hi stan ,no not a mentalist,(maybe slightly mental at times he he)as you stated scott and lamb put up part of the answers which get you thinking in the right direction,i think its a combination of a lot of clever people coming together with positive ideas ,if you had not made the first connection on mike and juliet (november)i would not have got it,,,,,this one (doors 3) got me stumped,mike
Message: Posted by: blazes816 (Jun 25, 2005 07:45PM)
Hey stan wat happend to you being ban from this one?
Message: Posted by: stanalger (Jun 25, 2005 11:26PM)
No need to ban me. I haven't a clue.
Message: Posted by: blazes816 (Jun 25, 2005 11:53PM)
Oh, okay. I still think it's pie.
Message: Posted by: stanalger (Jun 26, 2005 08:31AM)
I don't think we're going to get very far
on this one without asking a few questions.

I'll start with an obvious one:
Stephen, is there a toilet on the other
side of this door?

Stan Alger
Message: Posted by: Stephen Buxton (Jun 26, 2005 02:06PM)
You know, I haven't the faintest idea what is behind the door. It might be a toilet, but then again it might not be.

The sign does not mean "pie", nor does it imply that there is pie behind the door.
Message: Posted by: blazes816 (Jun 26, 2005 02:09PM)
I just thought that mabey becuse it's gobbledygook it would be a random phrase, and everyone would think it's a hard puzzle,but it's written write there.
Message: Posted by: Stephen Buxton (Jun 26, 2005 02:12PM)
Well, I'll give you a (sort of) a clue. Use the solution of the first part, and perhaps even the trap of the second part as inspiration to solve the third part
Message: Posted by: Lambertmoon (Jun 27, 2005 08:30AM)
Private ?
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Jun 27, 2005 09:13AM)
Impressive Lambertmoon. !
Message: Posted by: Lambertmoon (Jun 27, 2005 10:55AM)
Thanks Jon. I'll cross my fingers and hope that is the answer.

Side note: I've passed Ossining on Metro North. Is that Sing-Sing prison on the train line? As much history there as Alcatraz.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Jun 27, 2005 11:20AM)
Funny thing about that place, the train station is just over the wall and down west one block. The train tracks run though the grounds of that place. My first consulting gig was right next to the place on the south side, (look for the helipad) and we used to park in the lot and leave our car doors unlocked. Go figure.

Are you stalking me? If so, I live inland next to the Taconic Parkway, which is nowhere near dead or irate as folks might have you believe.

Guess who's been watching too much Little Britain this morning? ;)
Message: Posted by: Lambertmoon (Jun 27, 2005 11:36AM)
I'm too lazy to be a stalker. I grew up in Queens and moved to Glenham/Beacon a couple of years ago. I commuted to NYC for a number of years and always wondered about Sing-Sing. I'd love to visit a museum there, if they have one.

PS. When are they going to finish widening the TSP ? That road is a disaster in the winter.
Message: Posted by: stanalger (Jun 27, 2005 12:37PM)
[quote]
On 2005-06-26 15:12, Stephen Buxton wrote:
Well, I'll give you a (sort of) a clue. Use the solution of the first part, and perhaps even the trap of the second part as inspiration to solve the third part
[/quote]

The solution of the first part involved missing letters. (PrIvatE would
involve missing letters...and it's a word that could be found on a sign on
a door.)

But what was "the trap" of the second part? The fact that CANT and EN wouldn't
usually be seen at the same time????
Message: Posted by: Vandy Grift (Jun 27, 2005 12:43PM)
[quote]
On 2005-06-27 12:36, Lambertmoon wrote:

I'd love to visit a museum there, if they have one.

[/quote]

I think they do have one. Contains a nice collection of prisioner made "shivs" and "shanks". Good Stuff.

So was private the answer? Seems like it would work.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Jun 27, 2005 12:44PM)
[quote]
On 2005-06-27 12:36, Lambertmoon wrote:...PS. When are they going to finish widening the TSP ? That road is a disaster in the winter.[/quote]

Yes it is something of a toboggan run at times. They are doing the Yorktown area now. Looks like a few more years to get three lanes on each side. Is a comfortable three lanes each way where I am.

Attend Coinvention II? Let's see about getting down to NYC on a Saturday afternoon for a visit this summer. Oh...now I remember, I have do get an article finished for a certain publisher. Tempted to offer lessons in exchange for some photoshop work.
Message: Posted by: Lambertmoon (Jun 27, 2005 01:08PM)
[quote]
On 2005-06-27 13:43, Vandy Grift wrote:

I think they do have one. Contains a nice collection of prisioner made "shivs" and "shanks". Good Stuff.

So was private the answer? Seems like it would work.
[/quote]

I knew as soon as I wrote about wanting to visit the museum I was opening myself up to be the butt of some jokes (pun intended). Thanks for keeping it clean.
I'm not sure if Private is correct especially since Stan the Man is questioning the clue.
Message: Posted by: Stephen Buxton (Jun 27, 2005 01:09PM)
Private isn't the answer, I'm afraid, but good guess. Stan has picked up on the missing letter theme (which was also the trap of the second part - the letters imply that it is missing the letter "e" for CANTEEN)

Just one letter is missing.
Message: Posted by: Vandy Grift (Jun 27, 2005 01:13PM)
[quote]

On 2005-06-27 14:08, Lambertmoon wrote:
I knew as soon as I wrote about wanting to visit the museum I was opening myself up to be the butt of some jokes (pun intended).

[/quote]

Lamb,

http://www.roadsideamerica.com/attract/NYOSSsing.html

Would I kid you??
Message: Posted by: stanalger (Jun 27, 2005 01:15PM)
Are we in room 314? 314 painted on a glass (clear) door would
look like the word PIE when viewed from the other side.

Ooooops! I see Stephen has provided another clue. A missing letter, eh?
Message: Posted by: Stephen Buxton (Jun 27, 2005 01:18PM)
Very good and logical guess. 314 could be indicated by PIE, but sadly not here.
Message: Posted by: Lambertmoon (Jun 27, 2005 01:38PM)
Great Guess Stan.

Vandy-
Interesting site. I'll have to check it out in person.
One of the Shivs looks as if it would be ideal for the paddle move. Maybe we could market the color changing Shiv for 3 packs of cigarettes.
Message: Posted by: Vandy Grift (Jun 27, 2005 02:44PM)
[quote]
On 2005-06-27 14:38, Lambertmoon wrote:

One of the Shivs looks as if it would be ideal for the paddle move. Maybe we could market the color changing Shiv for 3 packs of cigarettes.

[/quote]

The sing-sing version of the color changing shivs dosen't require a paddle move. It's just "hey look at this intresting home made knife" "It's silver right? But now look, I simply push the blade in to your gut and "Voila'" it turns red!!"

This really kills em'.

Sorry, back to the puzzle guys.

Vandy
Message: Posted by: mike paris (Jun 27, 2005 07:13PM)
Pronunciation Of International English,bit of a dopey guess,but stranger things have happened,mike
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Jun 28, 2005 08:06AM)
[quote]
On 2005-06-27 14:09, Stephen Buxton wrote:
Private isn't the answer, I'm afraid, but good guess. ...[/quote]

Guess you are going to be the butt of comments for a while. Enjoy. Guess we just can't take the boy out of the bathroom.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Jun 28, 2005 08:42AM)
There is a method in mathematics called proof by tableaux, where one decomposes a statement into a collection of sub-statements which either terminate in contradictions or themselves denote a world where the statements can be true. The other side of the method implied here is to prove only one such world can exist. Failure to provide both parts of the solution (existence and uniqueness) amount to leaving loose ends ;) and hence the bathroom humor.

Not that there is anything bad about bathrooms. The tile (lack of) patterns can be most inspiring.
Message: Posted by: stanalger (Jun 28, 2005 10:42AM)
I've been thinking (and thinking and thinking and...) about this one,
and haven't gotten anywhere.

Is this a rebus with a missing letter? I'm thinking about something
along the lines of

P.C. Office = P (C "off" ICE) = P I E
(Take the "C" off of "ICE" and you're left
with "I E".)

Stan
Message: Posted by: Stephen Buxton (Jun 28, 2005 01:20PM)
It is a rebus with a missing letter. Not PC Office (clever, though)

One letter is missing, as I said before.

Clue:

If the letters used weren't "P", "I" and "E", but "P", "L", "A" and "E" instead, the solution would still be the same.

Reminder of another clue that seems to have been missed: I have no idea what is behind the door (there is a reason)
Message: Posted by: blazes816 (Jun 28, 2005 10:32PM)
Is it not a really a door?
But mabey a painting?
Message: Posted by: Stephen Buxton (Jun 29, 2005 12:43AM)
It is a door
Message: Posted by: blazes816 (Jun 29, 2005 12:53AM)
Ok.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Jun 29, 2005 06:02AM)
This time it's the ladies room?
Message: Posted by: blazes816 (Jun 29, 2005 01:34PM)
Good one.
Message: Posted by: Stephen Buxton (Jun 29, 2005 04:49PM)
No, it isn't a toilet. Remember, the question is what the sign means, not what is behind the door.

Anybody given any thought as to my additional clue of the letters "P", "L", "A" and "E" giving the same solution?
Message: Posted by: stanalger (Jun 29, 2005 05:12PM)
I've given it thought...but my thoughts have been unproductive.
Message: Posted by: Stephen Buxton (Jun 29, 2005 05:17PM)
Remember what I said about missing a letter...
Message: Posted by: mike paris (Jun 29, 2005 05:21PM)
Stephen,is the answer something along these lines,,,PLEASE LIFT AND ENTER , PRESS LIFT AND ENTER, PUSH IN and ENTER,mike
Message: Posted by: Stephen Buxton (Jun 29, 2005 05:25PM)
No. The letters are not an acronym. They are:

PI E

or

PLA E
Message: Posted by: stanalger (Jun 29, 2005 05:51PM)
Aha! I wasn't familiar with the second variety, so the additional
clue only confused me.
Message: Posted by: Lambertmoon (Jun 29, 2005 09:45PM)
This one has me stumped.

Stephen-

When you say it is missing a letter, Do you mean a letter in the English alphabet?
Might we talking about a letter in the Greek alphabet?
Message: Posted by: Stephen Buxton (Jun 30, 2005 01:02PM)
It is an English letter, commonly found on the QWERTY keyboard, not a Greek letter.
Message: Posted by: blazes816 (Jun 30, 2005 01:25PM)
Do you mean that with one letter you come out with the same word? or related words?
I they are related words what about Pine and Plane?
Message: Posted by: stanalger (Jun 30, 2005 01:32PM)
What do pine and plane have in common? (Forget about the letters
to answer this question.)
Message: Posted by: blazes816 (Jun 30, 2005 01:46PM)
Not aiplane.........a plane is a tool used on a different woods, such as PINE.
Message: Posted by: Stephen Buxton (Jun 30, 2005 02:08PM)
PINE and PLANE are words... now, what does the message mean?
Message: Posted by: blazes816 (Jun 30, 2005 02:20PM)
It's gobbldegook. wouldn't it mean absolutly nothing?
Message: Posted by: Stephen Buxton (Jun 30, 2005 02:22PM)
It's a rebus - it has a meaning ;-)
Message: Posted by: blazes816 (Jun 30, 2005 02:23PM)
Oh, a rebus. well I'll be back in a minute. I have to go look up rebus.
Message: Posted by: blazes816 (Jun 30, 2005 02:26PM)
Okay looked it up. Is it a department that puts out forest fires? Or mabey a wood working shop?
Message: Posted by: stanalger (Jun 30, 2005 02:27PM)
[quote]
On 2005-06-29 22:45, Lambertmoon wrote:
This one has me stumped.
[/quote]

Can't a plane also be "stumped"?
Try neon.
Message: Posted by: Stephen Buxton (Jun 30, 2005 02:46PM)
Stan, you're a tease.... I see that you have also solved it.

Well done!
Message: Posted by: stanalger (Jun 30, 2005 03:48PM)
Stephen,

I hadn't solved it until just before I posted:
"Aha! I wasn't familiar with the second variety,
so the additional clue only confused me."

I'd recommend that others look "plane" up in
a dictionary. There may be a use of the
word that they're not familiar with. I
certainly wasn't familiar with "plane" in
the sense in which it is used in your
additional hint.

Stan Alger
Message: Posted by: Stephen Buxton (Jun 30, 2005 03:53PM)
Well, I could have done CHEST UT or ROWA, but I thought the others were better