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Topic: Deans Box revisited...Please???
Message: Posted by: krantis (Jun 25, 2005 10:39PM)
Dear Deans Box owners...
I perform the Deans Box with a ghost/spirit theme.... The Scott Alexander ending really doesn't do anything for me... I have tried it, nothing for my audiences either.
Apart from messages appearing on slate etc, are there any other cool - yet stunning endings for this routine..... my brain must be in magic overload.
I perform a majority of the sequences that come with the video and explained on Scott Alexanders DVD - come on guys...??? Lets warp this thing. :)
Message: Posted by: Dan LeFay (Jun 26, 2005 06:00AM)
If you treat the Box as a special box and do not stick to the linking/unlinking theme the possibilities are endless.
Effects like Invisible Deck, Triumph or even B'Wave get a whole different meaning when putting them into the box.
And what about the bolt and nut that get unscrewed?
The issue of making effects covert instead of overt opens up many possibilities here.

The strength of Dean's Box in my opinion is that it offers both an diabolical method as well as an intriguing object!
Message: Posted by: Mago Gregorio (Jun 26, 2005 08:02AM)
I like very much the Dean Box but was looking for additional effects to the 3 original one presented on the video. I've found an interesting one in K Fulves self working handkerchiefs magic, p24: The Antique Shop a very strong effect based on the Cords of Phantasia principle (idea from Hans van Baaren): the handkerchiefs, tied to ropes escapes itself and the rope escape from the box.

Any other idea of rope magic or other stuff with Dean's Box ?
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Jun 27, 2005 02:33PM)
Cut and restored rope. Knots appear in rope.

Think of olde Sprit Cabinet items, words appear on a slate, a card rises (not seen, do it when door closed)...

Now it is your turn to think.
Message: Posted by: krantis (Jun 28, 2005 08:49PM)
Thanks guys - more insight for my brain on mystery... much appreciated
Message: Posted by: John Long (Jul 15, 2005 10:47PM)
Sticking with the link/unlink theme:

- you can make the ropes unlink(2 methods, related to phases I & II)
- use the Nana's Neclace principle to allow the ropes to pass thru a ball & the box
- use the string thru neck principle to get thin cords to pass thru a wand that is placed between the side holes

I also came up with a simple way to get 2 ropes, each of a different color, to each turn into a 2 colored rope.

Message: Posted by: Scott Alexander (Jul 16, 2005 05:23AM)
Sorry you didn't like the ending with the spirit hand.

Something that I didn't put on the dvd but did tinker with was the idea of telling the audience that the effect was done by tying special knots in the rope. During the last phase...I had the ropes examined and body loaded a giant ball of rope about 5 inches in diameter that looked like a giant knot. Then I did the last phase and at the end ...revealed a giant knot of rope inside the box. The knot can be loaded with the right misdirection much like a cups and balls load.

Maybe this will offer an alternitive you can explore.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Jul 16, 2005 08:03PM)
Buy a second box, fill it with cement and do a switch... :kermit:
Message: Posted by: Terry Harris (Jul 17, 2005 05:26PM)
To the lay audience Dean's box wows em
Message: Posted by: Snidini (Jul 23, 2005 10:15PM)
You are right Terry, the wow factor is high. Magicians I have shown it to aren't nearly as impressed as the uninitiated to magic folks are. Most magic friends have commented to me it's overpriced but still, it is one of my favorite closeup tricks to perform for folks.

Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Jul 26, 2005 04:41PM)
Dean's Box fools magicians so bad they buy it just to learn how it works! :spinningcoin:
Message: Posted by: Airborne Ranger (Aug 10, 2005 09:47AM)
I must agree that it fooled me so bad I'm now in the market for one. Even though I now know how it is done and I could likely do it with a cardboard box (except for the third stage), I think the investment will be worth it.
Message: Posted by: Steve V (Aug 10, 2005 06:36PM)
Put your tied together silks into the box with ends out the sides and do your 21st century silks. Let specs pull on the silks. This makes it valid for kids shows while the rope routines suggested by Dean work better with older kids and adults.
Steve V
Message: Posted by: Euangelion (Aug 11, 2005 12:33PM)
On 2005-08-10 10:47, Airborne Ranger wrote:
I must agree that it fooled me so bad I'm now in the market for one. Even though I now know how it is done and I could likely do it with a cardboard box (except for the third stage), I think the investment will be worth it.

With a little creativity and that special little thing you probably could even do stage three with a corrugated cardboard box. Think about it. It might be fun to try. Possibly a great street routine.
Message: Posted by: Airborne Ranger (Aug 12, 2005 07:45PM)
That may be interesting. I have to try the third stage with a regular cardboard box.
Message: Posted by: jolyonjenkins (Aug 15, 2005 06:09AM)
Dean's Box: a Famous Magician showed this to me a few weeks ago. To be fair, he hadn't had it long, and he fumbled a little in phase 1. It sort-of impressed me, but not in a "wow" way, because I could imagine, very vaguely, how it might be done. I then looked at the online video and after two or three replays and a bit of playing around with bits of string, the method seems pretty obvious and I can imagine how a bit of gimmicking would permit phase 3.

Now, I know most spectators won't go to the lengths I did, but for it to be a killer routine, it has to impress me more than than that. Equally, I read lots of testimonials to what a brilliant routine, magician-fooler etc that it is. This surprises me. I've seen several rope routines that impress me much more, which I still can't figure out (I don't know much about rope magic).

So I can only imagine that it takes a heck of a lot of practice and presentation-honing to get it to perfection. Is this the case?
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Aug 15, 2005 11:52PM)
No. Just smooth handling and confidence.
Message: Posted by: Whit Haydn (Aug 16, 2005 01:38AM)
Perhaps the Slydini Knotted Silks would work well with the box. You could easily make it work with a Pogo Ball Routine--that could be spooky.
Message: Posted by: Dan LeFay (Aug 16, 2005 05:40PM)
????? What is a pogo ball?

Something I did only once, during a dealer-demo, was showing a CC-knife. It seemed to have a red color when held in the box. The moment it was withdrawn from the curtain it became white. I was just doing this to kill some time, but the magicians who were watching me play were very amused by the reactions of two laypeople. The laypeople offered to put other objects in the box to see what color it would get. mwahaha!
Message: Posted by: Whit Haydn (Aug 17, 2005 09:13AM)
Pogo Ball is a trick in which a styrofoam ball is placed beside a glass in a box. The door to the box is momentarily closed, and instantly opened, but the ball is now resting quietly inside the glass--spooky!
Message: Posted by: cfrye (Aug 17, 2005 10:13AM)
I found the Pogo Ball on page 16 of the most recent Abbott's catalog for $50. Here's their contact info:

Abbott's Magic Novelty Company
Colon, MI 49040
Phone: 269.432.3235
Fax: 269.432.3357
Email: amagic@net-link.net
Message: Posted by: Dan LeFay (Aug 17, 2005 03:51PM)
Thank you guys. That sounds interesting. Any other options where to get it (I do not have an Abbott's catalogue).