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Topic: Practical Card Palming by Bob White
Message: Posted by: JordanB (Jun 27, 2005 05:56PM)
To quote the back of this DVD "This volume contains the most practical techniques and management for palming cards. Anyone can study these explanations and learn to palm cards from the pack with complete confidence under any performing conditions".

Bob White has been studying the art of card palming for over 45 years. In this volume he imparts what he has found to be the most practical and useful palms in his vast experience. After having viewed and studied these methods I have to agree with him.

The DVD opens with a performance of Mr. White performing Cards up the Sleeve, he then imparts some advice regarding palming position and palming management. He goes on to describe in detail twelve different top and bottom palms, and concludes the DVD with some advice on replacements and palming while standing. In Mr. White's hands these palms are indetectable, and he explains how to make your palms indetectable. It contains several techniques on managing the palms, and making them look natural. This advice is key to making the palms indetectable. The instructions are clear and are clearly shown on the film. It is filmed as though he was sitting across the table teaching you these palms. The director and sound editor did an excellent job with the audio and video layout on the DVD.

The palms described are the:

Simple Erdnase Top Palm
Topping the Deck
Tip Up Palm
Berg Palm
Erdnase Top Palm
White Top Palm
One Hand Top Palm
Lowey Palm
Erdnase Bottom Palm
Dead Hand Palm
Hofzinser Bottom Palm
Braue Bottom Palm



Sincerely,

Jordan Burgess


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Message: Posted by: Gary Plants (Jun 27, 2005 06:56PM)
Bob White was confidant to Dai Vernon and Charlie Miller. If you ever wanted to learn how to palm cards, now's your chance. You can reach Bob at rhwithe1@swbell.net.

Gary Plants
Message: Posted by: pierredan (Jun 28, 2005 07:50AM)
How does this compare to John Carney's "On Palming"?
Message: Posted by: God-glorified (Jun 28, 2005 10:09AM)
Looks good thanks for the review
Message: Posted by: Turk (Jun 28, 2005 11:25AM)
Who sells this DVD and for how much?

Mike
Message: Posted by: S.Segal (Jun 28, 2005 11:28AM)
Mike, I think you can contact Bob at his email mentioned above.

Also, Hocus Pocus seems to carry it. Do a search on their site.

S.Segal
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 28, 2005 01:28PM)
I think Mike Close has a thorough mehtod(s) from Erdnase to Vernon, for palming on his Power Of Palming video/DVD. I doubt anyone ahs anything new on the subject.
Message: Posted by: whodini (Jun 28, 2005 01:53PM)
But the great thing about others covering the same material is that other insights and nuances are given that may help. We don't want to restrict to just one person having the final say on a move, mostly one as tricky as the palm.
Park
Message: Posted by: Bob White (Jun 28, 2005 02:30PM)
I don't generally read or contribute to the various forums, but a friend sent me a link to the conversation about the DVD I just released. Mike Close & John Carney are both very good friend of mine and I didn't release a DVD to compete with either of them. My reason for making another is to contribute additional information that neither has made available on their DVDs. Anyone who has a sincere interest in learning everything they possibly can about card palming will study all three and come to their own conclusions as to what are the best techniques and what works best for them.

My palming DVD will be reviewed in Magic & Genii Magazine soon. Those reviews may help end some of the speculataion what is new and different, what is good, and what is not so good, on the one I am releasing.

Should anyone have question on the content, I may be reached at rhwhite1@swbell.net or telephone 903-872-5112. I will be glad to answer any question

Warmest Regards,
Bob White
Message: Posted by: JordanB (Jun 28, 2005 02:39PM)
Watching this video can only make your palms more deceptive, regardless of whether the palms were learned originally from a book written 103 years ago or from a DVD put out ten years ago. If you are just learning to palm cards, it will teach you the mechanics of the move and help you avoid some of the mistakes that can be made when palming. If you already know the mechanics of a palm, it will offer additional technique and insight into the move that isn't available from another source. If you are hesitant to purchase or wish to read a review in a magazine, the DVD should be reviewed soon in both MAGIC and Genii.
Message: Posted by: evolve629 (Jun 28, 2005 04:59PM)
I have Mike Close's Power Of Palming dvd. However, I think my handicap (i.e. a small hand) will prevent me from palming. I just ain't happenin' no matter what palming technique I try. It's the reality and I just have to say palming is not my pal.
Message: Posted by: Gary Plants (Jun 28, 2005 09:29PM)
Malini's hands were very small and he apparently palmed cards all the time.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 28, 2005 10:17PM)
Hand size does not matter. Elton John, who has the smallest hand of any piano player ever, is a mster. But, there are wanna be piano players that fall back on this excuse.

Palming dvd's are like cups and ball dvd's: someone is going to release their take on it.

The Mike Close one is all you need if you have that. If you do have it and are not palming, than another new will not help you.
Message: Posted by: Mike Squires (Jun 28, 2005 11:01PM)
Disclosure: I worked on the DVD. Therefore, I will not compare it to other marketed products. I’ll leave that to others.

The impetus for creating this DVD was to clearly show methods for palming cards from the top and bottom of the deck into each hand in a practical manner. Further, a number of popular palming techniques were discarded (some having made it all the way to editing, but ultimately excluded) due to the final judgment of the author that they were not practical for a number of reasons.

This DVD serves the purpose of showing the correct way to execute the above listed palms (listed by JordanB), with several tips that are worth their weight in gold. The texts that each of the palms was drawn from come alive. Many of the common mistakes made by magicians while palming are addressed and corrected, making this a valuable resource for every level of cardman. Also, Mr. White talks about what to do once you’ve got the card in your hand all the way up until you get rid of it.

A funny aside (funny to me): while authoring the DVD, we experimented with using short video displays of each of the palms as menu buttons to guide the viewer to the palm they were wishing to learn. However, Mr. White palmed the cards so well, all the buttons looked the same. They all looked like he “squared the cards and then put them on the table.”

The work is expert. It is accessible on all levels. Mr. Kopf shot it as if you were sitting at a table with Mr. White and he was teaching you the real work. Everyone can learn something from this work.

Evolve623, I would encourage you to continue pursuing palming. Many people with small hands have found methods that work for them when palming.

Mike Squires
Message: Posted by: Paul Sherman (Jun 28, 2005 11:10PM)
Does the DVD discuss replacing palmed cards at all? I find this to be an area that is largely neglected.
Message: Posted by: Mike Squires (Jun 28, 2005 11:12PM)
Yes, Paul. It discusses two methods of replacement. Both back to the top and to the bottom.

Mike Squires
Message: Posted by: Martino (Jun 29, 2005 03:40AM)
I just received this DVD. I haven't had a chance to watch it yet but last night I did a quick excercise and reviewed the different types of palming techniques taught on this DVD vs John Carney's works and Michael Close's works. Very briefly, here is what I found.

There are only 2 techniques which are taught by all 3:-

The Vernon Topping the Deck Palm
The Erdnase Bottom Palm

Bob White and John Carney both teach the Erdnase top palm.
John Carney and Michael Close bot teach the Gamblers Cop

Other than the techniques mentioned above there are an additional 19 techniques that do not appear in the others published works.

Please note that I am not just referring to DVD's here but to printed material as well.

I was surprised that out of the 3 "Palming Masters", Mike Close teaches the fewest palming techniques (7).

Personally, I believe that if you want to become expert at palming playing cards, you should study the works of all 3 gentlemen, plus as many other resources as you can find. Then find the techniques that work best for you.
Message: Posted by: VBall (Jun 29, 2005 08:12AM)
Let's not forget Allan Ackerman's DVD on palming as well.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 29, 2005 01:26PM)
And Daryl teaches palming. Hmmm. How about we get 1000 peices of info on palming. Then will we know what to do? Sheesh. The Close video is enough for you to have a career with cards in effects that use the palm.
Message: Posted by: Paul H (Jun 29, 2005 03:42PM)
Oh dear. I was just approaching that mythical state of mind known as 'consolidation' ie no more purchases. Looks like I'll be reaching for the checkbook again. Is there no end????

Regards,

Paul H
Message: Posted by: iamslow (Jun 29, 2005 07:26PM)
[quote]
On 2005-06-28 17:59, evolve629 wrote:
I have Mike Close's Power Of Palming dvd. However, I think my handicap (i.e. a small hand) will prevent me from palming. I just ain't happenin' no matter what palming technique I try. It's the reality and I just have to say palming is not my pal.
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You should see Lee Ashers girly hands.... he uses to have a link on his site where you can compare your hands to his and they are pretty small... I won't even bother mentioning what he does with cards..
Message: Posted by: Martino (Jun 30, 2005 09:57AM)
So MagicChris, how many tricks that utilise palming do you do? Do you not agree, that the more information one assimilates on a subject the better informed you will be? Granted, that with Mike Close's material alone you could learn enough about palming to be expert. However, the palming techniques that he teaches may not be suitable for some people!
Message: Posted by: AaronShields (Jul 1, 2005 01:29PM)
While I've yet to see the video, Bob is surely one of the unsuung masters of magic. His work is top notch.
Message: Posted by: Turk (Jul 2, 2005 12:01AM)
[quote]
On 2005-06-29 16:42, Paul H wrote:
Oh dear. I was just approaching that mythical state of mind known as 'consolidation' ie no more purchases. Looks like I'll be reaching for the checkbook again. Is there no end????

Regards,

Paul H
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Paul,

If you are REALLY serious about consolidating, just ship any magic item you want to get rid of over to me. I am always willing to help out a fellow magician in any way I can. (grin)

Mike
Message: Posted by: David Bilan (Jul 2, 2005 03:53AM)
Mr White,

I appreciate an artist that makes tact one of his tools. I also appreciate your willingness to answer questions.



My comment to those who wonder why we need another DVD... You could thrive with owning one cookbook, and many people do. Others collect them for the joy of learning new techniques.

Martino's review and Mike Squires comments would seem to indicate that this DVD does more than provide a basic way to fry an egg.

It's great to have so much info available from the creator(s)
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jul 3, 2005 01:03PM)
[quote]
On 2005-06-30 10:57, Martino wrote:
So MagicChris, how many tricks that utilise palming do you do? Do you not agree, that the more information one assimilates on a subject the better informed you will be? Granted, that with Mike Close's material alone you could learn enough about palming to be expert. However, the palming techniques that he teaches may not be suitable for some people!
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I don't do tricks: I perform magiocal effects. To do so, I use the Gampblers Cop, Erdnase bottom palm and Vernon's top palm.
Message: Posted by: Martino (Jul 3, 2005 02:34PM)
Tricks, Effects! Tomato, tomato (I realise that doesn't carry to well). Semantics.

If one wished to learn a new trick/magical effect, is it not better to study as many different versions of that effect as possible to help in your learning process?
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jul 3, 2005 02:55PM)
It has often been said by many of the masters in magic that palming is one of the essential tools of card magic. However how often does one really use card palming? Look at all of the (often inferior) methods created to "avoid" palming. Many are scared to use it. Many who use it do it poorly and "tell". Bob White is truly a master at card palming (and at magic in general). His palming is simply undetectable. His work and his thinking is HIGHLY regarded by such luminaries as Bill Malone, Eric DeCamps, Roger Klause, etc.and for good reason.

I would encourage one not to think they should get one source for learning ANY move but instead should gather as much knowledge they can about a particular move or routine they are going to work on. Carney, Close, Ackerman, etc. all have something important to impart. Since this thread is focusing on Bob White's DVD I can strongly recommend this DVD. Bob imparts thoughts, advice, etc. that show that he has thought about palming for years, that he has used it in the trenches, and that he has also examined what is being done "wrong" with palming.

Bob will have other teaching DVDs out that I am not at liberty to discuss at present but I can assure you that if Bob is putting anything out you should own it and study it.

Tim Trono
Message: Posted by: van (Jul 5, 2005 05:24PM)
I second Mr. Trono. You won't go wrong learning anything of Bob White's.

I've known Bob for more years that either of us want to think about and he has releasesd information he has been holding on to for years.

The only palm common to all four DVDs (White, Close, Carney, Ackerman) is the Vernon Top Palm.White and Ackerman are the only ones to explain the Berg Palm,

The title of Bob White's DVD, "Practical Card Palming", says it all.

Van
Message: Posted by: pixsmith (Jul 12, 2005 08:17AM)
Disclosure: I am listed in the credits of this DVD, but it's just a thanks for some logistical things -- primarily moving a plant and setting some furniture. ;)

That said, this DVD, which I have finally watched from stem to stern, does contain some amazing teaching, and I think anyone interested in palming cards will benefit from the information it contains. Further, I'll predict that in a year or so, you'll be able to tell, just by watching, who has studied this video and who hasn't.

Learning from this video is the closest thing to getting personal instruction that I have seen on the market. It's definitely worth the effort that it takes to study the material.

FWIW.
Message: Posted by: in flames (Jul 12, 2005 09:19PM)
I have Ackermans, Close's, Carney's and the Vernon set (Which has a volume on palming and all these are excellent but I love getting as many DVD (I can afford) on something I want to learn. If Mr.Trono say's you can't go wrong, I'm sold.
Message: Posted by: van (Jul 23, 2005 09:46PM)
Mr.Trono has excellent taste. You will like the DVD.Happy palming:)

Van
Message: Posted by: Barrett_James (Aug 8, 2005 09:40PM)
Got the DVD, watched the DVD, re-watched the DVD, LOVE THE DVD!!!!!!! You will not be wasting away your hard money on this excellent DVD!
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Sep 26, 2005 04:54PM)
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On 2005-06-29 14:26, MagicChris wrote:
And Daryl teaches palming. Hmmm. How about we get 1000 peices of info on palming. Then will we know what to do? Sheesh. The Close video is enough for you to have a career with cards in effects that use the palm.


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Obviously, you haven't seen Bob's DVD. Bob teaches techniques that, in performance, have absolutely no "tells." Each palm is taught from the audience view and from the view of the performer, as well.

More important, though is the information on palming management. He has his own opinions of what will destroy a perfectly good palm. He is right.

He starts the DVD with his version of the Cards up the Sleeve. He does not explain it on the DVD. He leaves it to you to figure out what is necessary to accomplish the work. If you are reasonably sharp, you will.

Bob teaches 11 different palms and two different replacements. And he gives a piece of advice from Charlie Miller that, if you don't know it, is worth the price of the DVD.

If you do know it, and you aren't doing it, you need to be reminded.
Message: Posted by: bill7 (Sep 26, 2005 05:34PM)
GOOD WORK MR. WHITE.
Message: Posted by: Barrett_James (Oct 16, 2005 03:21PM)
Its true! Its soooo funny when Mr White states 'this is how it looks...' and like, NOTHING HAPPENS! His handling is near invisible, its just looks exactly like he is squaring the deck.

Also, I really enjoyed his cards-up-the-sleeve routine to start the DVD. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!
Message: Posted by: wayno (Oct 21, 2005 02:04PM)
[quote]My reason for making another is to contribute additional information that neither has made available on their DVDs. Anyone who has a sincere interest in learning everything they possibly can about card palming will study all three and come to their own conclusions as to what are the best techniques and what works best for them.[/quote]

My customers were wanting this DVD, and that is how it was brought to my attention. I sold out quickly on my initial stock and had to order more immediatly. I even had to put my personal copy I had set aside for myself, back onto the shelves. :(

Once my next shipment of stock arrived, I grabbed my copy immediatly. :D Excellent material here Bob. I am satisfied with this purchase, and so are my customers. :D