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Topic: Crazy Mans Handcuffs help
Message: Posted by: pseudotheo (Oct 23, 2002 04:10PM)
Help!

I recently bought the manuscript for this trick and I am trying to get it right but I keep doing something that does not look right. (I am trying not to give away any secrets, that is why this is so cryptic). Can anyone PM me to help?
Message: Posted by: vinsmagic (Oct 23, 2002 05:11PM)
Dan Harlan has several videos out on rubber band magic, one is Band Shark, I can't remember the other ones but he teaches crazy mans handcuffs.

vinny

ps he has many more routines with the rubber bands, highly recommended
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Oct 23, 2002 06:55PM)
There is some Slydini thing I bought on this subject that was very helpful in terms of timing and misdirection. I do not believe he was the author but they were performance notes by one of Slydidni's students.

"Timing and Misdirection", you say?

If you wonder what Timing and Misdirection has to do with Crazyman's Handcuffs you need to learn more about Timing and Misdirection.

It is a wonderful set of notes and I have applied the essence of those notes to all I do in EVERY effect I do. And I keep working at it. They really make you see just how much work you can put into any routine to get it just right.

Those notes are fantastic.
If you're interested, let me know and I'll try to get the exact name of them.

Frank
Message: Posted by: Paul Sherman (Oct 23, 2002 09:37PM)
I believe the notes Frank is talking about is "The Linking Rubberband Mystery" or something like that, by a guy named Bluestone.

Paul
Message: Posted by: guido (Oct 24, 2002 08:16AM)
You could also learn this where there is also a "Super practice sessions" in Michael Ammar's video "Classic renditions" vol 2.
Guido
Message: Posted by: Indyfan (Oct 24, 2002 08:20AM)
I have Harlan's video that teaches Crazy Man Handcuffs (he has a slightly different name however), but he repeats the 'move' that shows the 2 bands linked together a few times, then does the sleight.

However, after reading "The Magic of Michael Ammar", he recommends only doing it once, where you show them linked, AND you do the move. He says it should take 2 seconds. One second to 'stretch' them (showing them linked), and another second to do the move. No need to do it fast, as that creates suspicion. Because the move is so subtle, combined with the fact that you ARE showing them linked, the spectator would NEVER assume you just did a move, because realistically, it looks like it would be impossible. Hopefully that helps out! It's a phenomenal trick.
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Oct 24, 2002 11:40AM)
yes paul,

that's the one!

Frank
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Message: Posted by: Chris Calabrese (Oct 25, 2002 02:08AM)
When I do the final stretch, I curl my fingers of my right hand in toward my palm with my thumb pointed up, which puts me in kind of a "get ready" position; the move is almost complete at that point. (I'm trying not to go in to too much detail in this open forum.) I find there's no danger of last-minute fumbling this way, and people are focused on the center of the bands anyway. Also, my right hand is moving back and forth stretching the bands, which makes it even harder to see that I've done something.
Message: Posted by: magicguy88 (Oct 25, 2002 11:34AM)
Any suggestions on patter for this effect? Also...are there any type of climax moves, effects, jokes that are good to close this trick out after the melt through?

Ryan
Message: Posted by: Craig Ousterling (Oct 25, 2002 11:39AM)
I use patter like this....
"I was arrested by the crazy police once. They don't use normal handcuffs because they are too easy to get out of... noooo the crazy police use crazy mans handcuffs." (putting the bands in place then making stretching moves like I'm trying to seperated my hands from each other) "They know if I let go and shoot one of these bands across the room, I'll go crazy trying to find it." etc.etc. you know the rest of the trick.
Message: Posted by: vinsmagic (Oct 25, 2002 07:16PM)
In my opinion the best rubberband penetration is Chris Kenners missing link. Found in his book "Totally Out Of control." two rubberbands are linked then unlinked, no gimmicks, a beautiful effect and very visual, I think it is more powerful than crazymans handcuffs.
vinny
Message: Posted by: sharonyyy (Oct 26, 2002 04:11PM)
I have a problem, I do this trick very well, I mean to unlink the rubberbands, but I didn't get the idea of linking them together.
I have the secrets of Michel Ammar, he dosen't explain that.
Message: Posted by: erik (Oct 26, 2002 09:01PM)
I saw Ammar do CMH during his close-up at MAEs show last month, and he followed the 'melting through' portion with a bit where he breaks the rubber-band with his teeth, then restores it instantly. He claims during this portion that 'there is a tiny Velcro end that is invisible' the effect is quite impressive. Can anyone tell me if this part is shown in 'classic renditions #2'?

-erik
Message: Posted by: Dave V (Oct 27, 2002 11:19AM)
[quote]
On 2002-10-26 17:11, sharonyyy wrote:
I have a problem, I do this trick very well, I mean to unlink the rubberbands, but I didn't get the idea of linking them together.
I have the secrets of Michel Ammar, he dosen't explain that.
[/quote]
Michael didn't think it was necessary to re-link them. It essentially destroyed the illusion of the impossible unlinking by showing how easy it would be to put them back together. After that, they just think of it as another "juggling" trick, not magic.

David
Message: Posted by: Eric Grossman (Oct 28, 2002 08:27AM)
As for patter, I use this.

"This is more of a science experiment, than a magic trick. Everyone knows that the consistency of an object can be changed by the right means. For example, by controlling temperature, water can be changed from a solid to a liquid, or even a gas.
Well these rubber bands were not always solid. Originally, they were liquid. The liquid came from a rubber tree. The rubber was scientifically manipulated to make these solid bands. I prefer to do this, magically. Watch, etc...
Message: Posted by: vinsmagic (Oct 29, 2002 09:38AM)
as an idea ,,, do the crazy mans handcuffs routine then relink theh bands showing one band dangling from the other ,pull the bands apart and give them away as a souviner ..
thats what I do....
vinny
Message: Posted by: Mr. Ed (Oct 29, 2002 10:03AM)
Vin are you talking about CMH or a penetrating bands effect? It seems that you are talking about a linking rubberband effect.CMH or Penetrating bands do not "link"
Message: Posted by: vinsmagic (Oct 29, 2002 09:31PM)
Ed /what i ment was as a routine . I do the CMH. The bands melt through one another . then I show the bands are linked one band hangs from the other band . finally I unlink the bands and hand them out as a souviners

vinny
Message: Posted by: Bill Hallahan (Nov 6, 2002 10:33PM)
I first saw the Crazy Manís Handcuffs performed by Andrew Pinard at one of the restaurants where he works. I was so blown away, I bought the book ďThe Magic Of Michael AmmarĒ, just to learn this trick. It is probably one of the greatest close-up tricks of all time because it looks totally impossible and it can be done when surrounded.

One approach I sometimes use is to first break a rubber band, and then put it back together. Then I do the crazy manís handcuffs and say that the bands passed through each other because the repaired rubber band now has a magic hole in it. Then I give both rubber bands away. People examine the bands very closely!

I studied and practiced Michael Ammarís approach for months before performing it. It seems like a good method. After reading the posts here, I wonder if it is worth the money to get the Dan Harlan videos too. I know the videos are good, but would my money be spent better elsewhere if I already have Michael Ammarís book?

Incidentally, I learned from the book that Arthur Setterington invented this trick, and Herb Zarrow improved the handling. Mr. Ammar also lists several other magicians who were involved with this trick. I like that he provides so many references to creators and practitioners of the magic effects in his book.
Message: Posted by: erik (Nov 8, 2002 08:42PM)
Bill,

It is interesting that you do the cut and restore _before_ the CMH unlinking, because I have always seen Michael A. do the reverse. He usually points to an audience member after the unlinking, and says "you saw the bump, didn't you?" then claims that the rubberbands 'velcro' together, etc.

What I like about doing the cut and restore first is that it saves the more dramatic effect(the unlinking) for the end. I will try it this way the next time I do it..

I agree, it is a simple, but suprisingly dramatic little trick, which encapsulates a neat little misdirection. It is pure 'magic'. In Ammar's Classic renditions #2 video, he talks about how it demonstrates key aspects of magic theory...

:handcuffs:

cheers,

-erik