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Topic: Sapient's only lateral
Message: Posted by: Sapient (Aug 1, 2005 02:12PM)
I saw three types that caused the confusion.

What happened?


Posted: Aug 1, 2005 4:42pm
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You can, of course, ask "yes or no" questions.
Message: Posted by: Vandy Grift (Aug 1, 2005 03:50PM)
Was it 3 different "type faces", as in the printing term type face, that caused the confusion?
Message: Posted by: Sapient (Aug 1, 2005 04:01PM)
"Was it 3 different "type faces", as in the printing term type face, that caused the confusion?" No.
Message: Posted by: Lambertmoon (Aug 1, 2005 05:17PM)
Concussions?
There are three types of concussions and each "type" causes confusion.
Message: Posted by: Sapient (Aug 1, 2005 06:49PM)
"Concussions?
There are three types of concussions and each "type" causes confusion. "

No.

Broader questions might be of use.
Message: Posted by: ziatro (Aug 2, 2005 01:04PM)
Are these types human?
Message: Posted by: Sapient (Aug 2, 2005 02:48PM)
No human types.
Message: Posted by: Stephen Buxton (Aug 2, 2005 04:45PM)
Is this a word puzzle of the sort where you combine three words to create another word?
Message: Posted by: Sapient (Aug 2, 2005 08:47PM)
No. It is a lateral where you really do just need to figure out what happened, but it is more lateral than most, and there is a very vague clue in the title that no one will get so I won't even mention it.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Aug 2, 2005 09:11PM)
Is there some reason I should care what you type? If so please specify. Some of us have other things that already confuse us. ;)
Message: Posted by: Sapient (Aug 2, 2005 09:19PM)
[quote]
On 2005-08-02 22:11, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
Is there some reason I should care what you type? If so please specify. Some of us have other things that already confuse us. ;)
[/quote]

Because my wisdom enriches us all?

I'm not sure, but I get the feeling you may know the answer to this one, but maybe not.....
Message: Posted by: jstone (Aug 3, 2005 01:39AM)
Are you sawing something?
Message: Posted by: Sapient (Aug 3, 2005 09:17AM)
No sawing.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Aug 3, 2005 09:43AM)
Depending on the typeface, that which was typed, which may truly depend on the (type of ) reader.
Message: Posted by: Sapient (Aug 3, 2005 10:07AM)
The type of typeface is not important. :)
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Aug 3, 2005 12:47PM)
[quote]
On 2005-08-03 11:07, Sapient wrote:
The type of typeface is not important. :)
[/quote]

ok
Message: Posted by: jstone (Aug 3, 2005 07:01PM)
Blood types?
Message: Posted by: Sapient (Aug 3, 2005 07:09PM)
Nope. No blood types.
Message: Posted by: ziatro (Aug 3, 2005 11:50PM)
Was the confusion caused by the types being similar?
Message: Posted by: Sapient (Aug 4, 2005 08:59PM)
"Was the confusion caused by the types being similar?"

Um....no. There were no similar types.
Message: Posted by: jstone (Aug 4, 2005 09:04PM)
Was there some kind of accident?
Death?
Injury?
Message: Posted by: Sapient (Aug 4, 2005 09:15PM)
"Was there some kind of accident? " YES

"Death?
Injury?"

No. No.
Message: Posted by: jstone (Aug 5, 2005 02:07AM)
Were humans involved in the accident?
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Aug 5, 2005 07:58AM)
What specifically does it mean to you to make vague statements and then ask others to elicit yes or now answers from you?

Even autistic children respond better to behaviorism. The prod or the cookie, your choice.
Message: Posted by: Sapient (Aug 5, 2005 08:58AM)
[quote]
On 2005-08-05 03:07, jstone wrote:
Were humans involved in the accident?

[/quote]

One human caused the accident.
Message: Posted by: Sapient (Aug 5, 2005 09:03AM)
[quote]
On 2005-08-05 08:58, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
What specifically does it mean to you to make vague statements and then ask others to elicit yes or now answers from you?

Even autistic children respond better to behaviorism. The prod or the cookie, your choice.
[/quote]

It is just a form of a puzzle. In a lateral a statment is made, and through the use of yes and no questions, something is revealed. There is generally a big twist involved.

The classic example (and I hope no one minds me giving away the asnwer to this old chestnut) is that of Fred and Ginger laying dead in a puddle of water. By asking questions, such as "Was the water poisoned" and "Were Fred and Ginger married", it is fond that Fred and Ginger are fish from a broken aquarium. The fun is in finding the twist.
Message: Posted by: Stephen Buxton (Aug 5, 2005 09:05AM)
Any crimes involved?
Message: Posted by: Sapient (Aug 5, 2005 09:07AM)
No crimes.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Aug 5, 2005 09:18AM)
[quote]
On 2005-08-05 10:03, Sapient wrote:...It is just a form of a puzzle. ...[/quote]

Almost ... and narrowly so

Among adults it is a technique for discovering the parameters of someone's world.

As stated in your screen name, the content and format reflects upon you. Start with clear concise statements and expect others to judge you by your choice of perspective. The riddles contain lessons. How and when you offer them are your affair.

For example consider the dialog about the blind, mute and deaf people in a thread nearby, and the problem of how to communicate a message from the mute to the blind, given some hostility on the part of the deaf and the fourth party. What does that puzzle say to you? Look at the constraints imposed. What does that say to you?

As to the fish... remember, only people give names to fish. The fish themselves do not have names or language as far as we know. The answer is ONLY meaningful among people and holds additional cultural presumptions. That is the message offered with the riddle. The lesson comes with the question that follows.
Message: Posted by: Sapient (Aug 5, 2005 10:27AM)
LOL! I did not invent laterals. BUt if oyu think you can make sweeping judgements about people based on the kind of puzzles they post, might I suggest you get out a bit more?

And yes, puzzles don't really matter to bacteria and asteroids, and humans speak from their own cultural perspectives. O'm sorry if your fish find human communication to be non-fish like.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Aug 5, 2005 11:22AM)
[quote]
On 2005-08-05 11:27, Sapient wrote:
LOL! I did not invent laterals. ...[/quote]

When you can reflect upon your statements, I can enjoy dialog. Till then how can we tell the difference between what you type and what a non-sapient types?

Sentience helps too.

Hint: Nobody needs to read your mind when they can read your words. What is left are your choices about what you show of yourself. Oops, gave part of the sentience riddle away there.
Message: Posted by: Sapient (Aug 5, 2005 02:06PM)
You are......very odd. Laterals are very common is puzzle loving circles. Sure, you can figure out that I like puzles from the fact that I have posted one, just as I can see that thre real world plays no part in your arm chair philosophies.

It does not bother me in the least that you don't care for laterals. But do you have to polute the thread? Do you stand over people doing crosswords screaming that their reliance on right angles means that are far too inflexable? Do you knoock over chessboards because you don't approve the the warmongering ways of chess players?
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Aug 5, 2005 02:18PM)
Trying ad-hominem? Sorry to say I make a horrible scrying pool.

Keep looking, when one starts to see beyond themselves, it's easy to find the worst.

Not your type?

LOL
Message: Posted by: Sapient (Aug 5, 2005 02:23PM)
Normally I would not behave like you, but it was obviously the only thing that could get through to you. I'm glad it worked, and hope you can find a more suitable outlet for your wannabe philosiphizing.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Aug 5, 2005 02:29PM)
Still not the flavor of confusion you wanted?
It's okay, I spend lots of time confused too. :)

The word we need to watch out for is rationalizing.
The engine of reason takes rational rails wherever it's pointed.

I look forward to discovering or reading the 'types' you have in mind.
Message: Posted by: Stephen Buxton (Aug 5, 2005 03:09PM)
Er, could I please suggest that we continue this discussion elsewhere?

FWIW, I think these "20 question" type puzzles are a valid form of puzzle. Discussions off topic to the puzzle really should be taken elsewhere.

Can we have a recap, please?
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Aug 5, 2005 03:16PM)
So far:

Humans involved, an accident, no sawing and no fatalities.

One human caused the accident, yet none of the types are human, typological nor blood.

Many types of confusion offered.
Message: Posted by: Stephen Buxton (Aug 5, 2005 03:29PM)
Will it help to know the number of humans involved?

1? 2? 3? more than 10?

Is their job relevant? Are they all adults?
Message: Posted by: Sapient (Aug 5, 2005 03:39PM)
The number of adults is me plus the confused.
Message: Posted by: Stephen Buxton (Aug 5, 2005 03:45PM)
So there are two adults, yes?

Was there a relevant conversation between you two?
Message: Posted by: Sapient (Aug 5, 2005 03:47PM)
The number of confused is unknown and not relavent. All that matters is that some people were confused.

There was indeed a relavent conversation between me and the confused.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Aug 5, 2005 04:19PM)
Was one of the types involved a type of animal?
Message: Posted by: Sapient (Aug 5, 2005 05:02PM)
"Was one of the types involved a type of animal?"

No. Types of animals are not important to this puzzle.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Aug 5, 2005 09:19PM)
Was one or more of the type involved a type of action or activity?
Message: Posted by: Sapient (Aug 5, 2005 11:24PM)
No types were involved with any action or activities (aside from me and the confused).
Message: Posted by: jstone (Aug 6, 2005 12:32AM)
Is "typing" involved in any way?
Message: Posted by: Sapient (Aug 6, 2005 10:08AM)
Yes, typing is definately involved.
Message: Posted by: Stephen Buxton (Aug 6, 2005 10:17AM)
What about spelling mistakes? Differences between spelling words across countries (eg honour/honor)? Or different meanings between countries (eg pants)?
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Aug 6, 2005 10:57AM)
Are the three "types" letters/keystrokes?
Message: Posted by: Sapient (Aug 6, 2005 03:14PM)
"What about spelling mistakes? " YES

"Differences between spelling words across countries (eg honour/honor)? Or different meanings between countries (eg pants)?" No and no.

"Are the three "types" letters/keystrokes?" No. Well yes. Kind of. That is hard to answer.
Message: Posted by: ziatro (Aug 6, 2005 04:25PM)
Did you hit the letters C O and N on the keyboard simultaneously, causing the fusion of theses letters?
Message: Posted by: Sapient (Aug 6, 2005 04:32PM)
"Did you hit the letters C O and N on the keyboard simultaneously, causing the fusion of theses letters?"

No.
Message: Posted by: Mushu (Aug 6, 2005 07:52PM)
Three types of keyboards. You were using a dvorak keyboard but thought it was a qwerty.
Message: Posted by: Mushu (Aug 6, 2005 07:56PM)
Scratch that last guess. just read the question again, and you said you "saw" three types, not there are three types.
Message: Posted by: jstone (Aug 7, 2005 02:36AM)
Was there "typing" in the traditional sense, like on a keyboard?

Was the person typing the one who caused the accident?
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Aug 7, 2005 07:51AM)
Was a car or road involved?
Message: Posted by: Sapient (Aug 7, 2005 11:05AM)
[quote]
On 2005-08-07 03:36, jstone wrote:
Was there "typing" in the traditional sense, like on a keyboard?

Was the person typing the one who caused the accident?
[/quote]

Yes and yes.
Message: Posted by: Sapient (Aug 7, 2005 11:05AM)
[quote]
On 2005-08-07 08:51, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
Was a car or road involved?
[/quote]

No.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Aug 7, 2005 03:48PM)
Did the other people involved read the text that was typed?
Message: Posted by: Sapient (Aug 7, 2005 05:25PM)
[quote]
On 2005-08-07 16:48, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
Did the other people involved read the text that was typed?
[/quote]

Yes.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Aug 7, 2005 05:49PM)
Was the text on a sign?
Message: Posted by: Sapient (Aug 7, 2005 05:51PM)
[quote]
On 2005-08-07 18:49, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
Was the text on a sign?
[/quote]

No
Message: Posted by: jstone (Aug 8, 2005 12:20AM)
Was the accident deadly?

should we be focusing on the accident?
or
should we be focusing on the confusion?
Message: Posted by: Sapient (Aug 8, 2005 10:59AM)
[quote]
On 2005-08-08 01:20, jstone wrote:
Was the accident deadly?

should we be focusing on the accident?
or
should we be focusing on the confusion?

[/quote]

No. And I think figuring out the accident would be far more useful.
Message: Posted by: Sapient (Aug 8, 2005 11:06AM)
A recap might be helpful. So far you know that

There was some kind of accident that did not cause any injuries. There were people involved in this accident. Those people were me and some unknown number of people who were confused. There was a relevant conversation between me and the confused people. Typing on a keyboard is involved, as were spelling mistakes, and people did read that which was typed.
Message: Posted by: KSMagic2007 (Aug 8, 2005 06:36PM)
Was the accident a computer crash?
Kyle
Message: Posted by: Sapient (Aug 8, 2005 06:54PM)
No computer crash. The accident is the spelling mistakes.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Aug 8, 2005 07:49PM)
Did people read the text on paper?
Message: Posted by: Sapient (Aug 8, 2005 08:11PM)
[quote]
On 2005-08-08 20:49, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
Did people read the text on paper?
[/quote]

No
Message: Posted by: Bill Hallahan (Aug 8, 2005 09:09PM)
Is it, "I saw three [b]tapes[/b] that caused the confusion.", and the typing error is the misspelling of the word "tapes"?

Whatever the answer is, I suspect that lateral thinking only plays a minor role in obtaining the solution. This is more like the game [i]Twenty Questions[/i], only with preconditions and without the limit on the number of questions.
Message: Posted by: Sapient (Aug 8, 2005 09:46PM)
[quote]
Is it, "I saw three tapes that caused the confusion.", and the typing error is the misspelling of the word "tapes"?
[/quote]
No. But you are on the right track.

[quote]
Whatever the answer is, I suspect that lateral thinking only plays a minor role in obtaining the solution. This is more like the game Twenty Questions, only with preconditions and without the limit on the number of questions.
[/quote]
Perhaps.
Message: Posted by: KSMagic2007 (Aug 9, 2005 10:23PM)
Did the accident occur while hte people were moving?
Message: Posted by: Sapient (Aug 9, 2005 11:09PM)
The only movement was the typing.
Message: Posted by: KSMagic2007 (Aug 11, 2005 01:07AM)
No idea, when will you post solution?
Message: Posted by: Mushu (Aug 11, 2005 05:42AM)
You're advertising your car for sale, mentioning that it has only three tyres. However, when the copy came out, you saw that you had accidentally hit the wrong key and it came out as "three types". People reading the ad would ask in a confused tone, "three types of what?"
Message: Posted by: Sapient (Aug 11, 2005 09:01AM)
No tyres involved.

"No idea, when will you post solution?"

How about a big hint instead. What would you call a spelling accident made while typing?
Message: Posted by: KSMagic2007 (Aug 11, 2005 02:26PM)
Mistype? key slip? mis key?
Message: Posted by: TomasB (Aug 11, 2005 02:30PM)
Typo. So there was in fact two typos where the second one was writing "three" instead of "two"?

/Tomas
Message: Posted by: Sapient (Aug 11, 2005 02:44PM)
Typos is right. But "three" is not "two". But you are very close. The typos are of the same sort as types=typos. Kind of.

For your convienence here I is again.

"I saw three types that caused the confusion."
Message: Posted by: KSMagic2007 (Aug 11, 2005 04:22PM)
Nice
I get where you are going with this
Message: Posted by: jstone (Aug 12, 2005 12:58AM)
Is the answer found in the original sentence by finding typos in the original sentence?
Message: Posted by: Sapient (Aug 12, 2005 08:13AM)
"Is the answer found in the original sentence by finding typos in the original sentence?"

Yes.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Aug 12, 2005 02:12PM)
Was it three typos that caused the confusion?

(call it a flash of dyslexia)
Message: Posted by: Cranial Fermentator (Aug 12, 2005 02:14PM)
Okay, if there are typos in the original sentence, was the original sentence suppose to be "I saw tree, typos caused the confusion". Was this typed by someone trying to explain why he mistakenly cut down a tree?
Message: Posted by: Sapient (Aug 12, 2005 03:12PM)
[quote]Okay, if there are typos in the original sentence, was the original sentence suppose to be "I saw tree, typos caused the confusion". Was this typed by someone trying to explain why he mistakenly cut down a tree?
[/quote]
No. ThomasB was on the right track.
Message: Posted by: Sapient (Aug 12, 2005 03:22PM)
"Was it three typos that caused the confusion?"

Yes! It was three typos that caused the confusion.

(sorry I did not see your post at first)
Message: Posted by: TomasB (Aug 13, 2005 04:44AM)
I saw three typos that paused the conclusion, i.e. the misspellings made it take a while to solve it.

/Tomas
Message: Posted by: Sapient (Aug 13, 2005 10:58AM)
Nope. It was three typos that caused the confusion.