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Topic: TT Tricks
Message: Posted by: James Owen (Oct 25, 2002 11:42AM)
All right fellow magicians... how are you all doing? Fine I hope.

Do any of you magicians out there use the TT in your routines. I bought one and Darwin's 101 TT Tricks and I am currently working my way through the booklet. So if any of you use a TT what tricks do you do.

Best Regards

Take Care all of you MAGIC
Message: Posted by: Anthony (Oct 25, 2002 12:25PM)
How is that booklet, James? I've been meaning to buy a book and a tt, but I don't know where I would start with one.
Message: Posted by: secondbaseman (Oct 25, 2002 12:38PM)
Hey there

I got a TT and I always cary it with me every where I go, to preform a nice papermoney switch in front of their eyes

PM me fore more details
Message: Posted by: LeConte (Oct 25, 2002 01:16PM)
I saw Cellini do an awesome silk color change with a TT. It was incredible because of his handling of the effect. So simple, yet in his hands it was like looking at a living, breathing, practical and functional piece of artwork.

It humbled me. A big ego is a problem in the magic community. I did not even understand my own fully, until this trick showed me what real magic is. Often, the simplest of ingredients are the only things needed to perform illusions of great wonder and spectacle.
Message: Posted by: lawrenceng (Oct 25, 2002 10:29PM)
I can still remember the chills of excitement when I first got a TT, but it seems lots of layman know of its existence, with plenty of cheap packet tricks including a TT.
Are there any resources out there (preferably video) that would do justice to such an ingenious device? Would really love to learn how to handle a TT beautifully.
Thanks y'all :righton:

Figured I went off track here, abt the tricks I do,
*cigarette thru tie
*silk production
* cut and restored
*salt shaker (can't remember the exact name of this one, but you show your hand being empty and pour out salt from your palm)

Cheers! BTW there's another TT thread in this section as well. :righton:
Message: Posted by: Alan Jackson (Oct 26, 2002 06:45PM)
TT in one hand together with a sugar cube (both concealed). Pour a sachet of sugar (the sort found in cafés) into your hand (actually) into the TT. Steal the tip and sugar in the usual way. The sugar has apparently become a cube. Gets a great reaction, out of all proportion to the simple method.
Message: Posted by: nappa (Oct 27, 2002 02:59PM)
What kind of TTs do you people use and are they convincing as a part of you ;)?
Message: Posted by: Tolga Ozuygur (Oct 29, 2002 04:29AM)
The book you have bough is great -not in dimension I mean. But I also recommend you to buy the Milbourne Christopher's "50 tricks wit a TT." It is cheap and GREAT.. :swordbasket: :rabbitfromhat: :subtrunk: :stuckinbag: :magicrabbit:
Message: Posted by: Anthatron (Dec 21, 2003 09:20AM)
I like the 41 cent miracle in Michael Ammar's Easy to Master Money Miracles.
Message: Posted by: Magix (Dec 21, 2003 09:00PM)
I use it for a bill switch, vanishing bill, various small item switches or vanishes, and to levitate my business card.
Message: Posted by: Jordan Piper (Dec 21, 2003 11:48PM)
Dissapearing hank. One of the best tricks out there.
Message: Posted by: Eric Grossman (Dec 22, 2003 08:31AM)

Just trust me on this, buy a Vernet hard tip. No question, the best.

Eric Grossman
Message: Posted by: Darren Roberts (Dec 22, 2003 08:35AM)
For those of you who are afraid that too many people know about the TT, try a FT instead. When people go looking for the TT and it's not there, they're extremely surprised (of course, they're looking in the wrong place, but don't know it).

I was burned bad by this and learned that way how effective it can be.
Message: Posted by: kihei kid (Dec 22, 2003 04:32PM)
Appearing, color changing then vanishing silk.
Message: Posted by: Magix (Dec 22, 2003 07:20PM)
On 2003-12-22 09:31, Eric Grossman wrote:

Just trust me on this, buy a Vernet hard tip. No question, the best.

Eric Grossman

I have to disagree. The Vernet is really good, but I think the best TT's come from Magic Masters. But the bottom line is, it's a matter of personal preference. Just my opinion, for what it's worth.
Message: Posted by: Mistro (Dec 22, 2003 10:46PM)
Of course I use TT, I don't leave the house without it! I use my TT mostly in Bill switches.
Message: Posted by: rcad (Dec 25, 2003 12:34AM)
I bought a TT and Darwin's book because I felt mastering a TT was a must. I was fairly disappointed with the booklet and videos I saw on the Net. The TT thus remained in my magic case, unused. I am presently taking a magic course and the teacher showed us how to handle the classic appearing/disappearing hanky. The moves he showed us are way beyond anything I had ever read in a book and because of his handling, I am willing to spend the time and effort to master this trick now.

All that to say that the way to handle a TT is greatly misunderstood by many authors and magicians. There must be some good literature or DVDs on the TT but Darwin's book is at best, a source of inspiration for effects, not handling.

Hope this helps...

Merry Christmas to all! :xmas:

Message: Posted by: numeroprimo (Dec 26, 2003 06:17PM)
So what will the most experiencied magicians say about what is the best book or resource on TT tricks?

Hope everyone had a nice xmas,

Message: Posted by: Renegade (Dec 29, 2003 02:31PM)
I second the idea for the use of the finger tip, it reduces the number of effects you can do, I find, but it builds in a safety factor. :fruity:
Message: Posted by: Nicholas (Jan 9, 2004 08:35PM)
There's some great handling and lots of varied effects on the following video: Secret Seminars of Magic with Patrick Page: Thumb Tips by L&L Publishing. Takes you way beyond the pamphlets mentioned above.
Message: Posted by: jmsilhy (Jan 13, 2004 10:32AM)
I also have a 101 tricks booklet and a couple of TT's. I'm finding a little hard to fit stuff in there though. Is anyone of you experimenting the same? For example, a simple paper napkin goes in there and my thumb won't fit anymore, same with hankies or some coins. Maybe the TT are small for my thumb size, but the guy at the store helped me out picking it and said it was the right size for me.
Message: Posted by: Nicholas (Jan 14, 2004 09:49PM)
I use a thumb tip a lot and my experience is that you cannot fit napkins, handkerchiefs, or even whole cigarettes into it. You must stick with things like part of a napkin (just a corner that you can pull out enough to give the spectator a peek of what is assumed to be a complete napkin, etc. Even to vanish a cigarette, it may be necessary to remove some of the tobacco or vanish a half-smoked cigarette so it will be small enough to fit. In a normal size Vernet thumb tip, I can fit only 1 six-inch fine silk comfortably. In the large Vernet tip, I can fit one or two rainbow streamers or 3 six-inch silks. However, paper napkins, etc. are too thick. My silks are very fine/thin. These, along with the silk streamers can be purchased at most magic shops. I also second Richard's comments. Patrick Page's Secret Seminar video on thumb tips is excellent and shows much better handling technique than in any of the booklets mentioned.
Hope this is of some help.
Message: Posted by: jmsilhy (Jan 15, 2004 02:10PM)
Sure Nicholas, thanks a lot! I will try some things to see what I can fit in there and use that. I'm off to get some 6" silks and start from there. Thanks...
Message: Posted by: sweiss (Jan 16, 2004 05:54AM)
Do you have any suggestions for a TT that will accommodate magicians with a darker complexion? I'm a magic dealer and have many Filipino customers who enjoy magic. I have used a TT, but my complexion is much lighter. While in New Orleans, I observed and talked with a very dark skinned magician who overcame the light color of the TT by merely keeping his hands moving and only briefly displaying his lighter palms to attempt to give the impression of showing his hands empty. I have noticed that the vinyl TTs I get from Loftus are more brown, but does anyone have any suggestions regarding 1.) The importance of matching the TT with one's skin color and 2.) Routines that actually hide the TT so that the wise are not even aware of the TT's use?
Message: Posted by: rannie (Jan 17, 2004 10:15AM)
After doing tt effects and I sense someone around who seem to know about the tt, I offer to repeat the effect this time using a pull.
Message: Posted by: jmsilhy (Jan 18, 2004 11:32PM)
Rannie: a pull? can you explain a little bit more about this please?
Message: Posted by: Missy_Magic (Jan 18, 2004 11:43PM)
I do the dissapearing Hankey. Try pulling it from a table cloth or someone's clothing. Its mind boggling! Laymen LOVE it!

--->Wynsome :wavey:
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Jan 23, 2004 10:39PM)
Cut and restored ribbon is a great TT trick.

Another is vanishing and reappearing salt.

I would suggest that you use a 9" silk for vanishing hank with a TT. Or a 18" to 24" with a pull. The 18" is closest to a regular hankerchief.

Catch me at a convention sometime and I 'll show you how I vanish a 24" silk with a TT. It will a make a magician who thinks he knows how it is done, scratch his head a few times.

Bob Sanders
Magic By Sander
Message: Posted by: Lagrange (Jan 23, 2004 10:46PM)
I love my TT. Sure, some spectators know it, but never underestimate the desire of your audience to be fooled.

It sounds like you may not have had the right fit on yours. Go to your local magic shop (if you have one, you lucky slob) and try a few on. Color changing/vanishing silks is a great routine, but at the end of the day there are literally hundreds of effects you can pull off. Use your imagination. Just keep it pointed at them or moving.

In my opinion, the best advice I can give you is that for most spectators, THEY DON'T SEE IT. Act accordingly and have fun!
Message: Posted by: thumbtip (Jan 26, 2004 09:54AM)
One of my favorite is the bill switch. Kevin James has a three volume set called Rules of Thumb. Pretty neat stuff.
Message: Posted by: JEFFC (Jan 29, 2004 08:26PM)
On 2004-01-19 00:32, jmsilhy wrote:
Rannie: a pull? can you explain a little bit more about this please?
p279 (softcover) Mark Wilson's "Complete Course..." You can make your own.
Message: Posted by: master121 (Jan 30, 2004 11:26AM)
My favorite is the dissapearing hanky. There are so many effects you can use with a TT
Message: Posted by: jmsilhy (Jan 30, 2004 02:17PM)
Ok, my Wilson's "Complete Course..." is on it's way, I guess I'll learn a lot from there, and I wonder, are there any tricks with a TT in that book?
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Jan 30, 2004 10:03PM)

You are going to be a busy man.


Bob Sanders
Magic By Sander
Message: Posted by: JEFFC (Feb 1, 2004 04:58PM)
On 2004-01-30 15:17, jmsilhy wrote:
Ok, my Wilson's "Complete Course..." is on it's way, I guess I'll learn a lot from there, and I wonder, are there any tricks with a TT in that book?
I haven't seen any, but I haven't been through the book either, in fact you probably have more experience than me. I just happened to notice the pull awhile back and marked the page because it looked interesting. Still haven't tried it myself.
Message: Posted by: MoonBeam (Feb 3, 2004 08:30PM)
Michael Ammar has a nice chapter in his book on the finer points of the TT.

Message: Posted by: Renegade (Feb 7, 2004 04:15PM)
I like the prior post about the sugar cube, I find silk work best with the TT
Message: Posted by: Brian Morgan (Feb 8, 2004 10:09AM)
A couple of years ago I saw a guy giving a lecture about TT use and to demonstrate it, he did his routine with an all black TT. He was just showing how it's proper use will not be detected.
Message: Posted by: Mike Walton (Mar 7, 2004 10:25PM)
I didn't believe others when I they said you could perform with a red thumbtip until I really learned how to use a thumbtip. I picked up Rules of Thumb and the performers really stress which tells give indication that you're using a thumbtip and how to naturally avoid them. From tape 1, I use Steve Valentine's silk to tie routine which is to vanish a silk, make it reappear, and repeat the vanish allowing the spectator to help tuck in the silk, then you pull it from their tie or sleeve or jacket. The handling used on Rules of Thumb makes the tip invisible. My wife knows I have used a thumb tip, but I performed a children's routine for her where I vanish a silk which typically is her tell that I've used a thumb tip. With the improved handling, she didn't see, know or get any sense of the TT. She was amazed. Quickly put, keep the tip hidden in a natural way. It's possible and amazing when performed correctly.