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Topic: Richard Turner is unbelievable...
Message: Posted by: Logan Five (Aug 30, 2005 02:36PM)
I just got The Cheat dvd's yesterday. This guy's skill level is amazing and he's blind. I was just wondering is he still performing or if he's retired. I did a few searches and couldn't find anything.

Just curious..

Rick
Message: Posted by: sgrossberg (Aug 30, 2005 02:52PM)
Rick - Turner appears periodically at the Magic Castle. I have attended his lectures, as well. It is too bad his DVD was not accompanied by his notes as they add to the "routining" - although there are no written "instructions." - Scott
Message: Posted by: weapon (Aug 30, 2005 03:07PM)
Rich Turner is blind? No way!
Message: Posted by: sgrossberg (Aug 30, 2005 03:19PM)
Guys, take a look at the following thread from The Genii Forum (in particular, the entry from Kim Turner):

http://geniimagazine.com/forum/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=001871#000000

Enjoy.- Scott
Message: Posted by: dragonchaos91 (Aug 30, 2005 03:30PM)
So hes not completely blind, I think. According to that thread, he can see to a certain extent.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Aug 30, 2005 04:44PM)
One the greatest. For this sort of stuff I think he is better than Forte or Ortiz. Have a pipe at his second deal for example.
Message: Posted by: Gary Plants (Aug 30, 2005 04:44PM)
I will see Richard this weekend at the TAOM in San Antonio, Texas. He is amazing to watch.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Aug 30, 2005 05:37PM)
Hofzinser

Cool! I would love to see him live.
Richard Turner and René Lavand should be given some sort medal of honour for the odds they have overcome. It just blows mind to think about it.
I moan when I get a dry thumb.
Message: Posted by: joseph (Aug 30, 2005 05:58PM)
You can add Meir Yedid to that list, also...
Message: Posted by: tommy (Aug 30, 2005 06:16PM)
Sorry I do know about Meir Yedid may ask what you mean Joseph.
Message: Posted by: Larry Davidson (Aug 30, 2005 08:25PM)
Meir suffered extensive damage to his right hand and lost a finger as a result of an automobile accident in the 1980's.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Aug 30, 2005 08:43PM)
Thanks Larry sorry to hear that. I don't know anything about Meir to tell the truth. I know I am thankful to him to for getting Herbe Zarrow to make a DVD.

Tommy
Message: Posted by: DNshade (Aug 30, 2005 11:09PM)
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On 2005-08-30 17:44, tommy wrote:
One the greatest. For this sort of stuff I think he is better than Forte or Ortiz. Have a pipe at his second deal for example.
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You might want to rethink that statement...Turner, Ortiz, and Forte?...One of those three is not like the other ones, and really shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath...Speaking as someone who knows Richard very well.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Aug 30, 2005 11:22PM)
In the same breath I speak of skill with cards rather than magic, speaking as someone who as an opinion based on what he has seen.

P.S

"Richard Turner can do stuff with a deck of cards that no one else in the word can do. No one in the world. No one!"

Vernon.
Message: Posted by: rannie (Aug 30, 2005 11:49PM)
Richard is also an accomplished martial artist. I just had to pop that in. He is truly amon the best in the field of card cheating moves. I would have to add Sal Piacente in the list too.

Rannie
Message: Posted by: DNshade (Aug 30, 2005 11:53PM)
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On 2005-08-31 00:22, tommy wrote:
In the same breath I speak of skill with cards rather than magic, speaking as someone who as an opinion based on what he has seen.

P.S

"Richard Turner can do stuff with a deck of cards that no one else in the word can do. No one in the world. No one!"

Vernon.
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Skill with cards is what I'm talking about as well. NOT magic or performing. Richard is quite good. Deals the punch like no tomorrow. Like I said, I know him. Does very nice stuff. And I know Vernon's quote, of course. Not going to go any further. Those who know, know.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Aug 31, 2005 12:20AM)
Richard quite good! Those who think that know jack.
Message: Posted by: JasonEngland (Aug 31, 2005 12:46AM)
Funny you guys should bring this up now. I'm currently in the NCO Academy at Lackland AFB, TX. (NCO Academy is a mandatory, 6 week Air Force class on leadership.) Richard will be my guest at the graduation dinner on Thursday night, and then I'm staying with him at his home during the TAOM convention.

I'm also in the process of writing an article for Genii on Richard, which will cover his beginnings in magic, his experiences with Dai Vernon and the late 70s - mid-80s Magic Castle crowd, and various other topics. His sight will be addressed, and how it has affected his card handling over the years.

As Kim mentioned in the Genii thread, Richard's sight has slowly deteriorated over the years. He isn't completely blind, but may as well be. He can still detect bright light (it hurts), but hasn't been able to see/identify individual playing cards in about 8 years.

Jason
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Aug 31, 2005 01:11AM)
I was lucky enough to work with Jason and Richard doing the photos for the upcoming article. Turner is incredible... on his own planet so to say.
Message: Posted by: T. Joseph O'Malley (Aug 31, 2005 08:28AM)
Jason, that is great! I look forward to reading this article when it comes out.

Some of the moves on his tape are just plain disturbing - really good and fun to watch.

I will say this: the company who put out Mr Turner's tapes as DVDs should really have taken the time to do it properly. An index would have been nice, even if they had still used the card nomenclature for the shuffles, etc, and if there had been any way to remove those casino noises...
Message: Posted by: Andrei (Aug 31, 2005 09:10AM)
What about Rene Lavand?

Andrei
Message: Posted by: T. Joseph O'Malley (Aug 31, 2005 09:37AM)
What about Rene Lavand??
Message: Posted by: ImpromptuBoy (Aug 31, 2005 11:00AM)
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On 2005-08-30 15:36, MindPhantom wrote:
I just got The Cheat dvd's yesterday. This guy's skill level is amazing and he's blind. I was just wondering is he still performing or if he's retired. I did a few searches and couldn't find anything.

Just curious..

Rick
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Agreed! His skill is amazing and he's one of the best card cheats in the world! Like Dai Vernon said on the tape, Richard Turner can do things nobody else can do with cards. And it's true coming from a legend! He still performs. And like it's said at one of the posts here, I too attended and enjoyed his lectures. He's a very informative, highly skilled card shark who can hustle you whenever he feels like it, but of course he won't do it. Note that his DVDs are for learning/observing only. They're not training tapes. You'll get the moves down only if you watch the moves constantly in slow motion. You need to have a little knowledge about card cheating when you get the DVDs. You should know how to do a second deal already, and then learn his method. His skills will truly be remembered forever, and he's one of the few card cheats who really inspired me.
All the best,

Michael
Message: Posted by: Andrei (Aug 31, 2005 12:32PM)
T. Joseph O'Malley: Tommy said "Richard Turner and René Lavand should be given some sort medal of honour for the odds they have overcome."
If eyesight is Richard Turner's problem, I was wondering what Lavand's difficulty was, because I haven't a clue.

Andrei
Message: Posted by: T. Joseph O'Malley (Aug 31, 2005 12:42PM)
OK gotcha - he cannot use his right arm at all - part of it simply may not be there, I believe. He was badly injured in a car accident when he was young boy. In other words, he performs his magic completely one handed - mostly cards.

He's pretty spectacular to watch on dvd - I can only imagine how great he is in real life. His character is sooooo strong on the dvds I've seen, he come across as a powerful person, with a touch of whimsy and humour. Very poetic.


I highly recommend checking out his books and videos.
Message: Posted by: Sam Tabar (Aug 31, 2005 12:46PM)
For an idea on what René Lavand's handicap is read this:

"René Lavand is without equal in his chosen field. He has held audiences around the world spellbound with his poetic and emotional style of presentation. Thirty years ago René Lavand, "the one-armed magician from Argentina," created a sensation on The Ed Sullivan Show. Since then he has devoted his life to refining and performing his own brand of close-up magic. Luminaries such as Dai Vernon, Slydini, Juan Tamariz and Ascanio have referred to him as one of magic's great treasures and an artist of the highest degree."


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On 2005-08-31 00:49, rannie wrote:
I would have to add Sal Piacente in the list too.

Rannie
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Rannie,

Does Sal Piacente have a handicap too?
Message: Posted by: rannie (Aug 31, 2005 12:54PM)
Not at all. I was talking about gambling technique experts.
Message: Posted by: JasonEngland (Aug 31, 2005 10:26PM)
Sal's handicap is mental. Shhhhhh...he doesn't know.

Jason
Message: Posted by: tommy (Aug 31, 2005 10:53PM)
Hope you can run Jason or you will be next on the list if he catches you.
Message: Posted by: ImpromptuBoy (Aug 31, 2005 11:27PM)
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On 2005-08-31 23:53, tommy wrote:
Hope you can run Jason or you will be next on the list if he catches you.
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Great advice Tommy!
Message: Posted by: J3 (Sep 1, 2005 12:50AM)
I learned the one handed strip out from richards dvd, an amazingly useful and deceptive move. And the fact that he can do it with each hand smoothly and under fire just shows the kind of performer he is.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Sep 1, 2005 08:01AM)
Can you imagine if: All these guys were unknown to you. They are sitting playing poker. There is a spare seat and you decide to join the game and cheat. Is this seat spare gentlemen you ask, Yes certainly please pull up a chair and join us. Let me introduce you to the boys. My name is Paul Choose, this is Darwin, Richard, Steve, Sal, Swainy, Herbe, Doc and Rene, and you are? Ok it’s your deal Richard says Herbe and shakily pushes deck in front him, Richard gropes about looking for the cards and says can you just tell me where the cards are . You think to yourself this is going be to easy. :)
Message: Posted by: rawdawg (Sep 1, 2005 11:03PM)
Just play straight up and tight, don't use Richard's deck, keep your eye on Paul's right hand, Darwin's left hand, both of Steve's hands, triple cut off of Jim's shuffle, strip it off of Sal's, don't let Herb shuffle on the table, don't let Doc take the deck off the table and if Rene's starts moving really, really slow, get up and leave.
Message: Posted by: RMoreland (Sep 2, 2005 01:20AM)
Great Responce RawDawg. Great responce.

Later Tater,

Robert Moreland
Message: Posted by: Logan (Sep 2, 2005 02:21AM)
Good stuff Tommy and Rawdawg!
Message: Posted by: iamslow (Sep 2, 2005 04:02AM)
Hats off to you two!!