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Topic: Who was first?
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Oct 20, 2005 05:55PM)
I saw Peter Wardell work last night... he is awesome... a lot of Gazzo in his cups and balls... but someone told me he was [b]older[/b] than the Gazman... so, who was first?
Message: Posted by: Jim Wilder (Oct 20, 2005 10:19PM)
Peter Wardell is about 10 years younger than Gazzo.
Who was first?
I think it was Gazzo.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Oct 21, 2005 11:21AM)
Also if you take into account the fact that Gazzo has been "on the street" for most of his life, then you'd have to assume Gazzo started first, even if he weren't older than Peter Wardell.
Message: Posted by: Michael Baker (Oct 21, 2005 01:04PM)
So, which one is Peter and which one is Gazzo??
Message: Posted by: Kondini (Oct 21, 2005 02:05PM)
The one in the middle reminds me of an old girl friend!!
Message: Posted by: Chessmann (Oct 21, 2005 02:17PM)
Strange, very strange.....

I have heard of getting *teeth* capped, but....
Message: Posted by: Jim Wilder (Oct 22, 2005 11:06PM)
On 2005-10-21 15:05, Kondini wrote:
The one in the middle reminds me of an old girl friend!!

Does she have a sister?
Message: Posted by: Kondini (Oct 23, 2005 09:39AM)
No,,,,,but she had! Me.
Message: Posted by: vernon (Oct 25, 2005 02:17PM)
Neither...it was Nick Nicholas...or was it Cellini...or was it Tom Picard...the list is endles...Who was first exactly...ie is it who is older(only their mums would know that) or who came first in the c+b stakes...hmmmmmmmmmnnnn
Message: Posted by: Magicpitch (Oct 25, 2005 03:00PM)
Gazzo was prior to Nick Nicholas, if memory serves me correctly.
Message: Posted by: Kondini (Oct 25, 2005 03:24PM)
Percy Press Senior with his little pills.
Message: Posted by: Danny Hustle (Oct 25, 2005 06:38PM)
And Payne who was Percy Press's teacher around 1900. :)

Chris Capehart and Jeff Sheridan were both working New York in the mid 70's that precedes everybody mentioned here by quite a stretch too.


Message: Posted by: Kondini (Oct 26, 2005 06:59AM)
Did Capehart & Sheridan do a comedy cups & balls?
Add Jim Haviland to this list as well.
Message: Posted by: vernon (Oct 26, 2005 08:09AM)
Yes Gazzo was before Nick...just my attempt at ribald humour...anyway...both of them are top notch...Pete and Gazzo.
Message: Posted by: Danny Hustle (Oct 26, 2005 08:09AM)
No they didn't. I guess I missed the point of the original post. I thought it was about street performing in general not just cups and balls. Oops. :)

Percy Press with his little pills and the glass of water production would definitely win in that case. A routine he learned from Payne who was evidently a household name in England at the turn of the century.

The thing I got a kick out of was Percy opened with the cups and the glass of water.


Message: Posted by: tabman (Oct 27, 2005 11:31AM)
Didn't Pete Biro start this thread??? I think he knows a lot more about this than he's letting on.

Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Oct 27, 2005 12:34PM)
Mr. Baker (and others) if you read the Hyroglyphics above the two bakers, you will see they are molding bread.

BTW, great to post that image here... You win my "Best message of the month" award.

The reason I asked, Wardell used maybe half the same lines the Gazzmeister uses...

Posted: Oct 27, 2005 1:37pm
Oh, and Percy Press... [b]sad sad story[/b]... Charles Reynolds and I sat with him one day with a tape recorder to put a huge story together on him and his street magic... and the tape was destroyed before we could transcribe it.

My favorite was when he did a Royal Command Performance and the Queen of England asked him if he ever swallowed the Punch Whistle... which he had just handed her to try... and he replied, "Yes, you Majestey... this one's been through me twice."

Message: Posted by: Danny Hustle (Oct 27, 2005 06:31PM)
Oh Pete!

I would kill to have a copy of that! (I wouldn't give my left arm though, couldn't do final loads without it! :D ) That is truly a sad, [b][i]sad[/i][/b] story!

I've been digging around trying to find more about Mr. Press. There is just so little out there about his magic other than the Breeze tape and some pamphlets. I did finally score a couple of Flik-Fliks and some information on that.

I've also been closing my show with his rings and rope through coat (did it last night as a matter of fact. :) )Bob Sheets and Joe Howard really put together the missing pieces for me on that trick and it is an absolute monster, when done right.

So much history of street magic was lost with him and Charlie Edwards. At least there is a little gem left of Mr. Press's work.


Message: Posted by: tabman (Oct 27, 2005 08:45PM)
Street magic is such a now thing anyway. BTW, Danny, I like your new avatar, Ive been meaning to mention it.

Message: Posted by: Danny Hustle (Oct 27, 2005 09:15PM)
Thanks Tabman. I finally found the right outfit to match the character.


Message: Posted by: Michael Baker (Oct 28, 2005 12:53AM)
On 2005-10-27 13:34, Pete Biro wrote:
Mr. Baker (and others) if you read the Hyroglyphics above the two bakers, you will see they are molding bread.

BTW, great to post that image here... You win my "Best message of the month" award.


Yes, sir! I am familiar with the "corrected" meaning of the image from the tomb. It's earlier, mistaken symbolism just somehow seemed to fit here, with that question of "Who was first?"

...and thank you! I will treasure my award! :)

Message: Posted by: Kondini (Oct 28, 2005 02:38AM)
I think the Culpitt book contained most of what Percy used to do street wise,,,a slim tome but full of the basics for street magic.

Having met Percy only a few times (At the Punch do and with Brookie when he worked for Stanley in Berwick Street)I think that his magic vanished as he became more known for the P&J.

On the other hand Jimmy Haviland was working full tilt at this time.

Posted: Oct 28, 2005 1:57pm
Also a few years later I was useing Pete`s Peeper as an opener,,,,now I wonder who invented that!!!!
Worked pretty good on the streets of London.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Oct 28, 2005 06:09PM)
I gotta make more Peepers and get them out... thanks... yes Percy Press was THE MAN... and a great Punch Worker for sure. Charlie Edwards... I still have one of his pitch books!
Message: Posted by: Brandmagic (Oct 28, 2005 06:25PM)
I've been a professional street performer for almost 15 years and yes I owe a lot to Gazzo, and Cellini. In truth I saw Gazzo do his C&B's on the International Magic Competition tape when I started, and of the lines I use now only one of them came from that, (and I changed the punch line to suit my style). Over the years of working with some of the best street performers in the world I have seen different takes on lots of generic street lines, and I have adapted some of those in my routines, that's what works on the street. I hope that I am original enough in the way I present all the material I do, unique to me or not, (and a lot of it is my own), to distinguish me from the non-thinkers who simply plough through other peoples material because they paid for it. So to put it in perspective, Cellini was first and is the best street magician I know. Gazzo followed, the best street performer I know. Nick Nicholas and Gary Animal both great street performers who do magic preceeded me. As for me I hope I can match a fraction of what these guys did and do. Pete Wardell.
Message: Posted by: Michael Baker (Oct 29, 2005 01:54AM)
Mr. Wardell, that is an honorable first post! I hope I have the pleasure of watching you work one day.

Message: Posted by: ringmaster (Oct 29, 2005 07:07PM)
Dick Turpin was before any of those guys, but they hung him.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Oct 29, 2005 10:16PM)
On 2005-10-21 14:04, Michael Baker wrote:
So, which one is Peter and which one is Gazzo??

Neither one, unless Gazzo and Wardell are breadmakers.
Message: Posted by: Magic.J.Manuel (Nov 4, 2005 06:06PM)
Were they baking bread, or was bread their final loads?
The guy on the right is obviously palming a small dough ball,
and the loafs, (loads), could not fit in the cups.

Or maybe this is the first fingertip levitation of a bread mold.

It's interesting that both Pete and Bill can read glyphs.

I hate people that expose themselves in public too, magically or otherwise, except hot chicks.

OK, not too funny, but you chuckled. :kermit:

So were these pics from pre-biblical Egypt?
Was Moses the "First" magician, or those he showed-up?
Is a street vendor palming a coin to short change a customer a magician?

I just read the "Magician and the Cardsharp", which drove home the fact that some of the best slight of hand mechanics were cheating people out of money and very difficult to find and document.