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Topic: Best books on gospel magic?
Message: Posted by: Steve Brooks (Sep 18, 2001 03:31AM)
What do you think are the best books (value wise) for someone just starting in gospel magic? I know David Ginn has written several, what are some others, and possibly their sources? :)
Message: Posted by: Billy Diamond (Sep 18, 2001 05:39PM)
Steve, from a business standpoint with magic in ministry you will want to acquire any works from Toby Travis. I am sure there is some good stuff out there if you go check out FCM (Fellowship of Christian Magicians). I know of some other material too on presentation, but they slip my mind at the moment.
Message: Posted by: Steve Varro (Sep 21, 2001 07:48AM)
There are many books and booklets for the beginning Gospel Magician. Here are a few...



Gospel Magic 101 by (myself)

50 Magic Object lessons by Rev. Sherman Epler

Any of the "12 Gospel Tricks" series by Del Wilson.

And there are many more.



A great book on the history of Gospel Magic is

Greater Gospel Magic by Duane Laflin.

Hope this helps,



In HIS service,

Steve Varro

International FCM president
Message: Posted by: Steve Brooks (Sep 21, 2001 09:08AM)
Thanks Steve, we appreciate your input. :)
Message: Posted by: Billy Diamond (Sep 22, 2001 10:20AM)
Hey look itís Steve Varro....
International President of The Fellowship of Christian Magicians :wavey: Everyone welcome Steve!

He would be a great man for this posting area on a regular basis (hint, hint).

Welcome Steve! Howís it going?

Thanks Steve..... Duane Laflin is who I was going to recommend. My brain was clogged and couldnít remember his name for nothing!
Message: Posted by: Steve Brooks (Sep 22, 2001 10:40PM)
We are all happy to have Steve as a contributor here! :wavey:
Message: Posted by: Scott F. Guinn (Sep 23, 2001 12:41AM)
An old booklet, David Hoyeís (yes, THAT David Hoye) "Magic with a Message" is excellent. Walley Grant of the Child Evangelism Fellowship has a nice booklet as well, and donít forget "Spiritual applications for Tarbell." But, of course, the very best way to come up with gospel routines is to read THE BIBLE! Think about what effects you already know or own that can be used to illustrate Scripture. Same goes for ventriloquism routines.
Message: Posted by: Steve Varro (Sep 30, 2001 07:15AM)
Thank you for making me feel welcomed. Now if I could only figure out how to add those little smileys to my postings. :)

Iím very pleased with the postings in this
"Good News" section and look forward to seeing it grow. Books have always been the best value in magic. When you buy a trick you get one trick, but when you buy a book you get many tricks and ideas. Something I hope we donít overlook is the area of lecture notes. There are many FCM and other Christian Ministries conferences taking place around the country. The lecturers and workshop leaders often offer lecture notes. These notes are great resources that are only available to those attending the lecture so support your local conferences and lecturers.


In HIS service,
Steve Varro
International FCM President
Message: Posted by: Steve Brooks (Sep 30, 2001 09:13AM)
Good point Steve, I always buy at least one set of notes at a lecture... they need to eat too! :)



As far as the "smilies" are concerned, just "click" on the one you want to use!

There is more info in the FAQ area, and some other info in the Welcome to the Cafe areas as well. So... smile on! :dancing:



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but a mystery to be lived.
Message: Posted by: Steve Varro (Oct 1, 2001 05:06AM)
OK, Iíll try to add a smiley to this note and see if it works....

I guess it didnít work. Maybe it isnít compatable with a Macintosh system.

Oh well!

In HIS service,
Steve Varro
International FCM President
Message: Posted by: Steve Brooks (Oct 3, 2001 01:06AM)
We always suspected you were a Mac type of guy :lol:



I'll do some code hunting, and see what I can find out...now you have me curious. :D
Message: Posted by: Joe Marotta (Oct 13, 2001 10:20AM)
Let me add a name to the great list thatís being created here.

Gospel magician Barney Kinard has a 3 hour lecture called the Trick Brain. He presented it to our LA Chapter of the FCM last month. It was fantastic.

In his lecture, he teaches you how to catalog all your magic tricks by basic types (illusion, close-up etc), then by effect (production, vanish, penetration etc), create symbols to represent each one, and then how to find scriptures that each effect will apply to.

Well, that may have been unclear to you, but let me say that after hearing Barney, Iím better prepared to read a text and know which of my tricks I can use to explain the message.

He also shows you codes and symbols that you can make next to Bible verses to tell you which tricks would go with the verse.

Now when a Pastor tells you to have a magic trick ready to go with a scripture lesson he has picked out, your face wonít do this, :wow: instead it will go :bg:


Check him out at:

Rev. Barney Kinard
barney@kidhelper.com
http://www.kidhelper.com

Creative Childrenís Ministries
P.O. Box 5597
Buena Park, Ca 90620
714-521-8031


Joe Marotta

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Message: Posted by: Sir T (Mar 29, 2002 09:59PM)
I want to add a book to this list, that is not really magic, but is IMHO a book worth having if you do ballooning.

Shape-shifting Gospel Balloon Creations by Eric Gagnon.

This book is gold! Comes complete with Bible Lessons, over 150 Photos and step by step instructions.

I have a few of Ralphs books and John's videos, which are nice, but this book is different and will set you apart, as far as balloons go.

Just my two Pennies worth

Kevin :kitty:
Message: Posted by: Ray Eldard (Mar 30, 2002 05:08PM)
Not that there aren't good Gospel Magic resources, but too many times I've found Gospel performances that were more method in search of a message than the other way around.

Like Scott said, if you're truly looking for inspiration for more inspirational magic the place to begin is the Bible. Search the Word then look for the method or effect that best expresses what you're trying to demonstrate and I believe you'll best increase your odds for success.
Message: Posted by: sdgiu (Nov 2, 2002 05:50AM)
Eric Reamer is a Christian Illusionist with a good site at:

http://www.illustratedillusions.com

He has a lot of good stuff. Check out his site.

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What do you think are the best books (value wise) for someone just starting in gospel magic?
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Since the topic wasn't just Gospel magic books, I would add:

"Mark Wilsons, Complete Course in Magic"
which all new magicians should have, it is a wealth of information on all types of magic and if you check the used bookstores you can pick it up for from $5.00 to $15.00. and
"Clown Magic" by David Ginn, I know he's already been mentioned, but because of the
"Title" I thought some people might tend to overlook it. I have gotten many good ideas from it (can you tell who my audience generally is?) There are things that can be adapted to adults too though.

There are many more, but those are the two that I would definitely recommend to beginners.

Steve
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P.S. Love them smileys :dancing:
Message: Posted by: RevJohn (Dec 31, 2002 12:42PM)
Greetings.

If this is not an acceptable post here, I will remove it no problems, but am pretty excited so I had to put it somewhere. :bg:

Just wanted to let you all know of a book that I just finished writing. It is called, "The Foolishness of the Cross," and is Christian presentations for effects from
"Magic for Dummies."

Much like Miller's book for Tarbell 1 and 2, this book doesn't include any effects. Rather, since Magic for Dummies did so well with their selections, this is a book giving ideas and routines for the majority of the effects found in that book.

What I like about the book is that it takes a very available resource for any interested (Magic for Dummies), and gives them tools for presenting Gospel based performances.

If you are interested in finding out more, cost, etc, contact me at pastorjohn@mora-stevens.com
Message: Posted by: Bilwonder (Dec 31, 2002 01:51PM)
A few oldies I've enjoy are:

Magical Object Messages, by Rev. J.B. M
Maxwell

Mental Effects for the Gospel Worker, by Charles W.Cagle

A series of books call "Magical Gospel Lessons", by Rev Lawence Burden

"Lessons in Scripture", by Rev. Donald Bodley

Of course Joseph White didn't stay with it, but he had some good ideas in "Magic with a Heavenly Touch"

Carl Westphal put out a series of paper tearing trick talks that were very well done.
Message: Posted by: amazingboz (Jan 4, 2003 07:23PM)
When I am in need of patter, origional, brainstorming with a few biblical words usually causes the subconscious to open
up and form a pathway to what will become the
basis to work from. Try it in a quiet place for about 10 minutes.

Phil
Message: Posted by: Darkwing (Jan 7, 2003 10:57PM)
Steve Varro is a very humble man. He has many great books he has written himself on gospel magic. You can get his books at Doc Haley Gospel Magic.
Message: Posted by: cardican66 (Feb 18, 2003 09:38PM)
Greetings,
I am looking for feedback on "Greater Gospel Magic." Is it a good resource to have for routines? Thanks in advance for your help!
Message: Posted by: DougTait (Feb 21, 2003 04:07PM)
IMHO Duane's is the second best resource available for the serious Gospel magician. No, it is not the best resource available for routines, although it does have an ample amount included in the book. GGM will provide you with invaluable lessons on the heart of Gospel magic and a volume full of most excellent advice, cautions and a chance to look at yourself as far as style and your motivation to get into this genre.

I find the book very motivational and often go back and re-read it, often just to become grounded again.

I believe every Gospel magician should read this book because more than likley you will either be a serious GM when you finish, or you will realize that you are just another magician trying to do tricks with the Gospel.
Message: Posted by: tboehnlein (Mar 7, 2003 08:40AM)
Just a thought but a book that really made me think about the way I present my gospel magic, Burger & Neale's [i]Magic & Meaning[/i]. True, the book does approach from the far left, but it lead me down a path to present my gospel magic with a challenge message to be delivered to the non believer & new ager which addresses their beliefs in relation to the Christian faith.
Message: Posted by: lhughes (May 7, 2003 09:42PM)
Okay Doug, I have to ask. What is the best book in your opinion if Greater Gospel Magic is second? I have Greater Gospel Magic, and would be interested in more routines.
Message: Posted by: DougTait (May 8, 2003 03:48PM)
lhuges;
Of course I was refering to the Bible as the "best resource available for the serious Gospel magician".

The trick may not be in The Book, but the patter certainly is.
Message: Posted by: Dragona (May 11, 2003 07:03PM)
Well Steve, I happen to believe that a good book mixed with a good teacher (even if you are a master in magic, you can always learn) can be a great thing. I know you live in Northern California. Depending on how far you are from Sacramento, I know of many Gospel Magicians that live within a 1 hour radius from there. Give a call to Capital Christian Center (I'll PM the number to you later) and ask them. They are a HUGE church and have about 5 magicians I know of, some that may be very close to you. And they are always willing to teach other Magicians, especially for the growth of the Lord's Kingdom.

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