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Topic: Video Tapes in card cheating techniques
Message: Posted by: fatih (Nov 8, 2002 06:30AM)
Please help me recommending the most easy to learn Video Tapes that teachs me almost all tricks that I can use to cheat in playing cards since there are many tapes for diff erent performers .

Message: Posted by: Jim Morton (Nov 8, 2002 11:05AM)

There is no such thing as easy-to-learn card cheating techniques. These are some of the most difficult sleights that magicians ever bothers to learn. Developing a bottom deal that will pass muster may take two years or more. Some sleights, like the Allan Kennedy center deal can take several years to master.

If you are interested in learning these sleights to actually cheat at cards, I strongly recommend that you don't even think about it. The level of skill that it takes to do this is phenomenal. Things that will amaze people in a magic show could get your arms broken into tiny nuggets if you tried them at a card table. The people who have mastered these techniques spent years doing so, and usually under the tutelage of someone who has had experience at it.

If you are interested in giving off the [i]impression[/i] that you are a master at card cheating, Vernon's Poker Deal, described on Johnny Thompson's Commercial Classics of Magic #2, or the poker deal described in Michael Ammar's Easy-to-Master Card Miracles tape #2 should do the trick.

Jim Morton
Message: Posted by: DaveM (Nov 8, 2002 12:47PM)
After much study of Martin Nash's videos...I've become somewhat proficient with tabled faros as well as second/center dealing. But I would NEVER try to pull this at a serious game. Like Jim mentioned above...its not fun and games where money is involved.

I play "spades" alot in my spare time. As a joke, I used faros to set the deck up so that one team would receive ALL the spades. Since all 52 cards are dealt at the beginning, it doesn't matter how they cut the deck....ONE of the teams will receive all the spades. It wasn't my team that got the cards....the END of my attempts at cheating.
Message: Posted by: vinsmagic (Nov 8, 2002 01:21PM)
the best tapes out there in my opinion fouir volumes
by Steve Forte
Gambling Protection series

Message: Posted by: Tilt (Nov 8, 2002 01:47PM)
I agree, there is no better then Steve Forte.

Message: Posted by: Denis Behr (Nov 8, 2002 02:00PM)
I agree, too.
The Forte Tapes are no teaching tapes but exposť tapes but if you want to see the real thing that's where you should look.
PS: Entertainmant purposes only, of course... :bg:
Message: Posted by: Deal A Deuce (Nov 8, 2002 02:26PM)
Don't forget Gene Maze "king of the bottome deal" His tapes, (THE MAGIC OF) will enlighten. Also, get your hands on all of the John scarne literature available. PLUS! Darwin ortiz is the reigning expert on card cheats!

ooops I mean bottom (as opposed to BOTTOME)
Message: Posted by: JohnCollier (Nov 8, 2002 09:17PM)
I enjoyed Simon Lovell's "How to swim with the sharks and not be eaten (Vol 1)." Bottom Deal, Second Deal, cooler decks, switches, partner play, cuts, ...

Great stuff.

Message: Posted by: MarkFarrar (Nov 9, 2002 04:38PM)
Although not so much a teaching tape, the one by Richard Turner (aka The Cheat) is well worth a watch. The production quality is excellent, and some unusual camera shots (e.g. filming a bottom deal from underneath a clear glass table) offer unusual perspectives on these moves.
Message: Posted by: ImpromptuBoy (Aug 2, 2004 06:27PM)
Hi Everybody.
Is Ed Marlo's The Cardician and the Legend DVD good resources for learning advanced moves for poker games? I saw a demo and it looked very nice.
Any thoughts?
Thank You.
Message: Posted by: vernal (Aug 2, 2004 06:42PM)
I second the recommendation for Richard Turner's "The Cheat". If you liked the views from Shade this is a good tape - very scary if you're a card player.
Message: Posted by: Kevin Ram (Aug 2, 2004 07:03PM)
Talk about an old post
Message: Posted by: mattisdx (Aug 2, 2004 08:40PM)
Daryl, ackerman, bill Malone, and the best of the best Lennart Green !!! :D
Message: Posted by: T. Joseph O'Malley (Aug 2, 2004 09:18PM)
And we're back here again...the search function will reveal all...
Message: Posted by: GuardT34 (Aug 2, 2004 09:20PM)
LOL ever since the movie "SHADE" came out, everyone wants to be a cheater now.

Like Jim Morton, a BIG "SIGH" here

And if you ever decide to cheat, you should already know how to come out even in whichever game your planning on busting, know the mathmatics in percentage edge play, pot odds , implied odds, the Slansky hand ranking system.

Read Phantoms of the card table, you'll hear a story about a bottom dealer that Scott mentions in the book, about he had the guts to cheat but he would always get cought before he warmed up the chair.

Also if you havent already read Doc's postings, and have the common sence to know that cheating at cards is NOT as glamourous as the movies make it out to be.
Message: Posted by: Craig Krisulevicz (Aug 2, 2004 10:00PM)
Follow the words of Scafidi....
Message: Posted by: Mesquita (Aug 2, 2004 10:32PM)
I agree with "JohnCollier". Simon Lovel videos are very good on card cheat.
Message: Posted by: Koji Takada (Aug 2, 2004 11:44PM)
If you want to learn the card technique, I recommend Daryl, Ackerman and Brad's card technique videos. Nash's The Charming Cheat series and Jack Carpenter's videos are also great.

Message: Posted by: iamslow (Aug 2, 2004 11:48PM)
On 2004-08-02 23:32, Mesquita wrote:
I agree with "JohnCollier". Simon Lovel videos are very good on card cheat.

I sure hope you don't try that in a cash game...
Message: Posted by: Unknown419 (Aug 3, 2004 03:45AM)
These guys gave you the best advice you can get so now get to work.

The Doctor