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Topic: Real busker's come forward!
Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (Nov 25, 2005 06:27PM)
I don’t know who are the real buskers are on hear. I know of a few but there has got to be more than that.
There are some people that give advice but they are not a busker.
Who are the buskers, who are you?
What qualifies you as a busker, can you live, and have you ever lived on just your hat.
Don’t miss hear me, I will take on bookings for sure but it is on bedrock of busking that I have learned my trade.
If you are a new to the trade of busking you have to ask your self this question in regards to street busking, is this guy that is coming out with advise for real or is he just coming out with a pile of tosh. If he making sense then you can be sure he is reciting somthng he has just heard a busker say often with out given any credit to him. I call that theft if it is done with a magic trick.
The Busking community is very supportive because we know what it is to make it on the streets. On hear I really don’t know who is who and this is a real issue some bukers just don’t bother coming hear any more.
A few good photo's of a show can tell two tales it can make one look like a good busker, look at the crowd does it have money if it does not then this is not a busker but a joker. Making every one else a sucker for thinking other wise.
Note down the real buskers these are the guys you will learn from in regards to street work.
For the sake of busking who are the buckers please, we need you hear?
Mario
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Nov 25, 2005 06:33PM)
I'm a busker morio!
kozmo
Message: Posted by: Gazzo (Nov 25, 2005 07:26PM)
I started a thread called "Qualified Advice" that was similar to this one. The bottom line is this- your show makes you and who you are. Being out in the sun crafting all day is what makes you who you are as a busker and entertainer. If you have to resort to coming on to the internet to make a name for yourself, then that is where your name will reside. I have problems with those who make posts that belittle others, those which offer childish advice, those that offer amateur advice, and those which just give bad advice. I have seen some people post multitudes of advice here that I have met for the first time in the past couple of months... the chops just don't match the posts. And that is probably the case many, many times over.

So post away boys, it doesn't matter. And it shouldn't matter to you, Mario. If you try to build your name here, it will stay here. There does seem to be a good ol' boys club here of people who back scratch each other based only on the posts they've read. It is just the way it is. So, I am signing off my friends. I am out of here! Word!

Don't PM me, I will be slow dancing the night away with a midget!
Gazzo
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Nov 26, 2005 12:20AM)
I get to pretend in the summer. That's as close as I get.
Message: Posted by: Dave V (Nov 26, 2005 02:13AM)
I admire those who learned the "hard way" but there's still something to say for those who take the academic approach. They may not have the "street smarts" that comes from doing it over and over again, but what they have to say shouldn't be deemed valueless just because their knowledge came from books, videos, classes, etc...

This was my first year actually "on the streets" with just a few ventures away from my computer so far, but I wouldn't consider that a reason to discard 20 years of study.
Message: Posted by: Danny Hustle (Nov 26, 2005 02:20AM)
[quote]
On 2005-11-25 19:27, Mario Morris wrote:
What qualifies you as a busker, can you live, and have you ever lived on just your hat.
Don’t miss hear me, I will take on bookings for sure but it is on bedrock of busking that I have learned my trade.
[/quote]

I am a full time entertainer. That is my only source of income. I am also the only one in my family working at the moment. The mortgage on my home is paid, food is on the table, and clothes are on our backs.

Most of that is due to the work I did this past summer as a busker. Yes I have lived (quite well) on just my hats. With the odds that were stacked against me by some even I find that quite surprising. Don't believe everything you hear, and believe in yourself. That's what has worked for me.

Since September I have been working mostly paid gigs. Because of my family I do not travel in the winter months so I guess that makes me a seasonal Busker. But when I busk I do it to make my living. That is where my bread is buttered these days. Also, without busking there is no way I could have developed an act that allows me the bookings I am getting this winter.

Best,

Dan-
Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (Nov 26, 2005 04:50AM)
My motive behind this thread is what it says under the "The Side Walk Shuffle” title.
Discussions on the serious art of busking

Response to Gazzo
I agree with you on the other hand I actually like this web-site recently I have I asked my self the questions I am wasting my time on hear. So this is my ditch attempt to know the core of the busker's on this site.
I was very disappointed that your thread "Qualified Advice" was axed we need to know who is who. All there is no point to "The Side Walk Shuffle" Forum.

Response to Dave
I disagree with you, if you don’t put into practice what you have learned in the class room then I say don’t Preach what you don’t practice. There is nothing wrong in studying we all should do that but if you have not put into practice then I think it is valueless. Unless you point to your source and give them credit.

Thanks
Mario
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Nov 26, 2005 08:07AM)
I beleive in those dvd's and what they teach yo BUT you have to do it before you know what the deal is.....you have to find your own way

koz
Message: Posted by: Chance (Nov 26, 2005 08:07AM)
Mario,

I believe in your good intentions now with this thread; I don't post much here myself, because I also feel abused by many of the regulars here as they give off their version of what they feel constitutes "good advice".

But most times it's better to lead than to follow. Instead of complaining the lack of solid busking posts here, the answer might be to simply post more of your own. If there is something you'd like to see discussed, then start the thread and do so. During the course of that thread, the good, the bad, and the Gazzo will get sorted out in it's own time and manner.

Good luck, and don't let the know-it-alls get you down.

Chance
Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (Nov 26, 2005 08:43AM)
Chance
It is all ways good to hear from you. As all ways your right but I think it will be helpfull to know who is who.
Mario
Message: Posted by: Jim Wilder (Nov 26, 2005 09:09AM)
I mentioned in a post the other day, which is now gone, that most who post here are not full time buskers. My livelihood resides in education. However, I can and do perform on the street in Birmingham from March until October. I also have worked on the street and in festivals alongside a good friend who, although not a busker, makes his living and provides for his family as a full time entertainer.

It is also a fact that, at least in the USA, busking is a dying art. I think you'll be hard pressed to find many here who can say otherwise. It is just a fact as we turn into a nation of mini-malls.

Largely, I do find though, that it doesn't matter. Just like you, Mario, I see people post in this forum who I don't think have the same credentials that their posts imply. Does it matter? No... this is just the internet. I do have faith that these are good people here, maybe trying to build a reputation even amongst each other here on this forum, but good people nonetheless.

And we could name and call them out... my name could be on either list: busker or bullsh*tter. It doesn't matter. I have a good show, make money, and enjoy it. And there are the posts here that are enjoyable to see and read. I enjoy seeing the pictures and videos, even if they represent a person's first time out.

And it isn't just buskers. I have spoken with Steve Baker about this in regards to escape artists. And let me say that just because I can get out of a straitjacket, I am not an escape artist. But on the internet, it is about perception. Steve actually brought it up to me one evening about "internet escape-artists."

I understand the point of your post, and I agree with most of the idea behind it, but I don't think it will ultimately yield the production you may be looking for.
Message: Posted by: Kondini (Nov 26, 2005 09:58AM)
I think I know where your coming from Mario,,,I tried a similar post on the All Tied up and Believe it Or Not sections here,,,,I started the ball rolling by posting my own venues and gigs booked,I got little or no feedback (Which taught me a lot about the internet entertainers) Also in real life, over the years other buskers / entertainers I have worked with and against on the streets and showgrounds know nothing of the Café or indeed have time for let alone own a pc.

Sorting the chalk from the cheese via this medium is impossible so I just take people and believe what they tell me until proved otherwise.

Eventually everyone has to stand up and be counted (Even to themselves)But I am a firm believer in doing rather than saying.

BTW Its B****Y cold here (Im working in Blaina!).
Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (Nov 26, 2005 10:07AM)
Danny
Your story is very inspiring, you are new-nick bread, it will be great to know how you developed and what you do in your street shows. I know we have a lot to learn from you.

Jim
You’re a good man and you have been a great help to me.
I have no intention of bad mouthing anyone as this would be unconstructive and this should never be the place for it.
Yes I am more than keen to see photos and video clips of first timers and experienced buskers so we can learn from each other.
I think this should be a safe environment in which we can say “No I am not a busker but I wish to learn or simply enjoy and contribute to the threads”. Or I have that experience and I can teach X, Y, Z.
If I am lead to believe that someone is a busker when he is not, then I am wasting my time and he is wasting his own.
Hats of to frank how is able to call a spade a spade as he said “I get to pretend in the summer. That’s as close as I get.” As far as I am concerned it makes what he does, say and sell far more valuable because now I can see he is serving the Busking community. If you like a friend of busker’s, God knows we need them.
Mario
Message: Posted by: Dave V (Nov 26, 2005 12:10PM)
The title of this forum seems to be perfect. "[i]DISCUSSIONS[/i] on the serious art of busking." It's no different than a movie reviewer who doesn't act, a food critic who doesn't cook, etc... It's up to the reader to make up his own mind the value of the answers, based on the writer's past history, knowledge, etc.

I would imagine that (with a few exceptions)most buskers are too busy on the streets to spend time here. The same thing holds true for magic clubs and professional performers.

[quote]
On 2005-11-26 11:07, Mario Morris wrote:

I think this should be a safe environment in which we can say “No I am not a busker but I wish to learn or simply enjoy and contribute to the threads”. [/quote]

To satisfy your request for attribution, rather than say it myself I'll just quote your words and say that dreaded two word answer, "me too."
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Nov 26, 2005 12:22PM)
I'm a busker!

koz
Message: Posted by: Zack (Nov 26, 2005 07:42PM)
I'm not sure I understand this phenomenon. Why does busking produce so many wannabees and Walter Mittys? Especially since all those guyd could easily go out there and do it. Why do people pretend to be buskers? What's the attraction?
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Nov 26, 2005 08:30PM)
I'm a busker!
koz
Message: Posted by: RWhit (Nov 27, 2005 01:01AM)
Koz is a busker
Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (Nov 27, 2005 02:47AM)
Koz your a comedian but I think he make a better Street Busker.

It be great to hear some of your insight beyound "I am a Busker".

Mario
Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (Nov 27, 2005 03:16AM)
[quote]
On 2005-11-26 13:10, Dave VanVranken wrote:
The title of this forum seems to be perfect. "[i]DISCUSSIONS[/i] on the serious art of busking." It's no different than a movie reviewer who doesn't act, a food critic who doesn't cook, etc.
[/quote]
Buskers don't come hear to be reviewed and you should not. The word you should highlight is SERIOUS. You are missing the point of this thread I am not having a go at you Dave. Slow down and catch up.
Mario
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Nov 27, 2005 10:22AM)
A few good photo's of a show can tell two tales it can make one look like a good busker, look at the crowd does it have money if it does not then this is not a busker but a joker

you can bet that you wont see me with too many bad audiences...the ability to evaluate passer bys is surely part of the art but you can never tell truly can you...

I love this forum and encourage the pros to stay and the not pros to contribute....i don't think the guys who don't live it should give out advice that's untested by them, however when a new guy goes out and works for the first time it wont take him long to figure out which advice was real and which advice wasn't....

the best way to learn to do this wonderful that we do (although I haven't worked in 3 months and currently out of cash) is to go out and do it. read, tke the pros advice...we no who we are don't we and go and do it


by the way mario, I"M A BUSKER :)

koz
Message: Posted by: Arkadia (Nov 27, 2005 11:39AM)
I must say as Steve Santini. During the summers I pretend. Sweden is far to cold during the winter (even though I will try the winter streets this weekend.) I work as a teacher when I don't entertain. I take as much ordinary bookings during winter as posible to keep up the feeling. But my character, my show, my jokes and everything I stand for is evolved on the streets. I yearn for summer all winter, and work on new tricks and routines every evening after my work. I guess that doesn't qualify as a busker, but who cares? I like this forum and enjoy the posts. Since I regard myself as a pretty inteligent young man - I can sort the crap from the good advice. So there's really no harm done by the "Internet buskers". Still I must say that Mario's got a point about amatures giving some one elses advice as their own. But then again, haven't we all done that at some point? I don't know, perhaps the "real" entertainers haven't stolen a single hat line, a single joke and a single advide.

Who am I to judge?


/Ark
Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (Nov 27, 2005 12:57PM)
Ark
Good to hear from you
I shut down for winter I call it end of season.
Mario
Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (Nov 27, 2005 02:05PM)
Ark just to add
I take on bookings, sell magic, do the odd lecter, I am developing a side show act, I will do kids Events, comedy acts and Church event’s As Koz would say, I am a Busker. Being diverse is a gift of most busker’s.
I don’t know any Busker who does not tack on Bookings or have there fingers in different pies. Each year I will tack time out from busking. These days I ask for 25% more than what I would average busking plus travel. If I get a period where I am doing more bookings than busking that does not change a thing. When I am doing a show I can’t do any thing else but think like a busker. When I see one perform on stage say stand up, you know it because they have that edge that they learned of the streets.
That’s why street theater is so admired, because it is the hardest and most honest theater in the world. Most other performing situations become a walk in the park to the average busker my guess that includes you.
Mario
Message: Posted by: Ben Whiting (Nov 29, 2005 02:37AM)
How many of you guys had a teacher? My teacher was the best thing that ever happened to me, but even after he taught me I was reading all the latest one liner books and watching dvd's on the subject to continue learning while going out every day and trying the stuff.

P.S.
Does anyone know if koz is a busker?
Message: Posted by: Eric Evans (Nov 29, 2005 09:44AM)
Yeah, Ted is a busker. He shares some attributes in common with some other busker's I've met, and other's I've not met, just heard about. For example, Ira I understand was similar, he used to be in New Orleans as well.
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Nov 29, 2005 11:10AM)
What does that mean eric?
Message: Posted by: Eric Evans (Nov 29, 2005 12:19PM)
Hi Ted,
You both work strong. Other than that, and the fact that you both seemed to have found your way in New Orleans, I guess the similarities end -- he was a Mime.
BTW, how's that Slydini dvd coming? Jim getting his soon?
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Nov 29, 2005 12:31PM)
well strange as it might seem the distributor got theirs before I got mine...actually hocus pocus got theirs before the distributor so there ya go...hopefully by end of the week I will have sent all that needs to go out....

I think jim will be proud
koz
Message: Posted by: Steve V (Nov 29, 2005 12:51PM)
Hey! I know who Eric Evens is! He's a busker like Ted!
Steve V
Message: Posted by: magicguy67 (Nov 29, 2005 03:22PM)
I'm a noob busker but I'm a busker.at elast I think.
Message: Posted by: rhinomax (Nov 29, 2005 08:11PM)
I am not a busker, I am not a full time entertainer. that said I have been involved in entertainment for over 30 years, I have done hundreds of shows. learned hundreds of tricks , routines , bits of business.

I have little interest in ever busking but I must say I have the greatest respect for those who do. I read these threads in the side walk shuffle and often find stuff I can use in my entertaining as I do in other threads in this Café.

I am sure those of you who are real buskers visit other areas that may be out of your specialty and find stuff you can use as well

Mario I agree with you it is a shame when these threads are peppered with less than honest advice. but I hope you don't meen to qualify only true buskers as worthy of posting in this forum

Topper
Message: Posted by: Eric Evans (Nov 29, 2005 10:18PM)
[quote]
On 2005-11-29 13:51, Steve V wrote:
Hey! I know who Eric Evens is! He's a busker like Ted!
Steve V
[/quote]

Wow! Now I've got two more things to include in my bio.
Message: Posted by: Dave V (Nov 29, 2005 11:47PM)
Ted? Oh yeah, he's a busker isn't he?
Message: Posted by: mslj (Nov 30, 2005 02:25AM)
Some of the best entertainers I've seen are buskers and some of the worst I've seen are also buskers. They all give advice, again some bad and some good.

I guess Mario they all have a right to their say (unless of course they use a bloody Dippy Duck in their act, then they need to keep quiet).

Simon
Message: Posted by: Starry (Nov 30, 2005 07:52AM)
I haven't done it for a long time, but I did do it for a living once upon a time. So do I count?
Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (Nov 30, 2005 07:52AM)
Your @#$%^& on a money spinner, leave Dippy alone he has made me Thousands on the streets and I have sold a fair few as well.
Any way who are you, I bet your fat.
Mario
Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (Nov 30, 2005 07:57AM)
Starry,
Your a legend.
Mario
Message: Posted by: DAK (Nov 30, 2005 11:52AM)
I'm a newbie busker too, coming up to the end of my first year!

DAK
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Nov 30, 2005 11:58AM)
Go Dom go!
Go Dom go!
Go Dom go!
Go Dom go!
Go Dom go!
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Nov 30, 2005 12:15PM)
I'M A BUSKER!
Message: Posted by: Kondini (Nov 30, 2005 12:46PM)
IM A VIRGIN!
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Nov 30, 2005 01:25PM)
I can see that,......
koz
Message: Posted by: Kondini (Nov 30, 2005 03:49PM)
That wasn`t what you said the other night!
X
Ken.
Message: Posted by: Tom Frank (Dec 1, 2005 12:07AM)
I am a street magician.

I had a teacher

He was good

Sometimes I feel like a hack, sometimes, it all comes together.

I love it all the same. Starting to dust off my Bar Busking chops and get out of the cold. Cellini taught me about this so you work year round. Using Malini as a model for brashness and exploiting engineered opportunities, I had a hay day soon to be revisited.

TF
Message: Posted by: Steve V (Dec 1, 2005 12:21AM)
I..I'm not a busker. Sure, I've done it for the experience, street magic...the real kind, not that 'look look watch watch' stuff. I'm really just a working stiff, I know, some day I'll rot for it. On the good side when I do see a magician working the street I give 'em the biggest bill I have on me at the time.
Steve V <---he sucks
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Dec 1, 2005 08:00AM)
And you were great last night ! NICE!!!!!!
Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (Dec 1, 2005 11:24AM)
Tom
I was wondering when you were going to say Hello.
Mario
Message: Posted by: kOnO (Dec 2, 2005 02:55AM)
I'm not the busker
not the busker's son
but I can entertain
'til that busker comes


I have learned a lot from this forum. Thanks to all of you real BUSKERS I started 'passing the hat' this past summer. I guess I am a newbee to the street's, but I have been perfoming magic for the past 35 years or so.

kOnO
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Dec 2, 2005 08:11AM)
Good for you kono
Message: Posted by: kOnO (Dec 2, 2005 08:41PM)
Thanks Koz,

I'v been really giving that loop ball a work out too. I think everyone should buy one from you.
I use the Cellini loop ball and hat routine to gather a crowd. (off the "magic you can do anywhere DVD". Just count the ball's as you produce them and people just start coming to see what is going on, by the time I show the hat empty I have enough people to start the show.

Thanks for all the help.
kOnO

PS tedb is a busker
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Dec 2, 2005 09:13PM)
:) thanks...yep, I am a busker
Message: Posted by: Steve V (Dec 2, 2005 09:19PM)
I'm not familiar with a loop ball. Guide me buskerman.
Steve V
Message: Posted by: Arkadia (Dec 3, 2005 05:24AM)
Me and a friend is hitting the christmas markets in town in some minutes. He hasn't busked before, so he's a street-virgin. (Not the real virgin-McCoy as Kondini.) Anyway, we will probably freeze our hands of doing juggling and magic in the Swedish winter cold, but hey, that's what I love. To freeze.

/Ark
Message: Posted by: The Mighty Fool (Dec 4, 2005 02:39AM)
I've done a lot of street-magic, and some busking, on & off for over 17 years. I've never done for a living, but I have used it to SURVIVE while wandering through Europe. Ever since I landed my regular gig table hopping at Disney....I'll admit I havn't done much of either.

I've had all manner of experiences in those 17 years....I don't know who would find my advice usefull, but all sorts of advice are potentialy usefull, and should be regarded as such. Parts of this thread smack of elitism....not that there's anything really WRONG with having elites and qualifications to be one of that group, but here is wisdom from the fool: DO NOT DISMISS advice...TEST IT. try it. See if it works or not. We're not talking about advice regarding skydiving here, so go ahead and risk it. If it works, great, if it flops, you STILL profited by learning from a failure. You'll never know if you don't try.
Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (Dec 4, 2005 06:47AM)
Hi Mighty Fool
Great advise that I think we should all tack on board. The point of this thread is to make it clear who is who so when advice is given we can all be at the best advantage to learn. The advice that can be misleading is when it is given by someone as if they are more experienced than they really are. In my mind the only folk that should have trouble with this thread are the ones that do give this impression.

The intention is far removed from creating elitism but rather a safe environment in which to share what ever our experience. If there is a post in this thread that is contradiction to that, please do highlight the whole post and if it is mine I will apologies. Failing that I trust we are saying the same thing.
Mario

PS. To all
On the 1st of Dec Mandy my wife gave birth to our baby boy after just 5 hours labor, we can not decide on a name but have a few ideas. :)
Message: Posted by: Danny Hustle (Dec 4, 2005 10:30AM)
[quote]
On 2005-12-04 07:47, Mario Morris wrote:
PS. To all
On the 1st of Dec Mandy my wife gave birth to our baby boy after just 5 hours labor, we can not decide on a name but have a few ideas. :)

[/quote]

Mario,

Congratulations!

Best,

Dan-
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Dec 4, 2005 10:49AM)
Yea, congrats!
from a BUSKER!
Message: Posted by: Jim Wilder (Dec 4, 2005 11:15AM)
Congratulations Mario!
Jim is a great name...
Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (Dec 4, 2005 01:20PM)
Thanks guys
I like Wilder!
Mario
Message: Posted by: Steve V (Dec 4, 2005 03:22PM)
I say Moi Yo.
Steve V
Message: Posted by: saheer (Dec 4, 2005 11:53PM)
Congratulations Mario! Hope your photographer is doing well along with the little busker.
Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (Dec 5, 2005 06:12PM)
Thanks once again, I did not mean to distract from the thread so I will repost this and it has been keeping me sain.

Hi Mighty Fool
Great advise that I think we should all tack on board. The point of this thread is to make it clear who is who so when advice is given we can all be at the best advantage to learn. The advice that can be misleading is when it is given by someone as if they are more experienced than they really are. In my mind the only folk that should have trouble with this thread are the ones that do give this impression.

The intention is far removed from creating elitism but rather a safe environment in which to share what ever our experience. If there is a post in this thread that is contradiction to that, please do highlight the whole post and if it is mine I will apologies. Failing that I trust we are saying the same thing.
Mario
Message: Posted by: BroDavid (Dec 5, 2005 07:52PM)
To those who don't know, the Loop ball is just that.

And the Cellini DVD magic you can do anywhere has a ton of great instruction on the Loop Ball. You can probably get one from Koz, who I have heard is a Busker.

My original copy got stepped on by a visitor, and I almost went into withdrawals until I got a replacement copy, as I hadn't finished learning the moves. But I now have a complete loop ball routine that plays well everywhere, including the Street.

And, Oh yes, I busk a little too.

BroDavid
Message: Posted by: Ben Whiting (Dec 6, 2005 01:55AM)
Isn't the loop ball a little senstive to the back angle?
Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (Dec 6, 2005 08:02AM)
Hi BroDavid
Do you have any thoughts on the subject at hand?
Can you expand on what you said "I busk a little too"?
Mario
Message: Posted by: BroDavid (Dec 6, 2005 08:58AM)
Mario,

I have busked fairs, festivals, flea markets and the Streets of Ohio, (Akron, Kent, Hartville, Clevelnad, cincinnatti, Columbus), Michigan (Detroit), Jackson Square in New Orleans and a few others spots in between where I found a good crowd or foot traffic that I could intercept, that I can't even recall the names.

It is my preferred style of performing. But I have a full time job that pays me too much to walk away from it, and where I live in Ohio the lack of traffic sites, and the weather limit the number of times I can busk here.

So I busk a little, whenever, wherever I can. Weekends, evening when appropriate, days off, vacations, I carry my table and bag wherever I go, so if the opportunity presents itself, I busk.

And to BenRoss on the question, is it angly? Yes.

But done right, and with audience management, the angles are minimized, and the magic is maximized. With some awareness to your surroundings, and as I said, audience management, you can do a lot that others would shy away from.

BroDavid
Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (Dec 7, 2005 11:21AM)
BroDavid
Good on you, as they say don't give up the day job. :)
I admire the fact your so keen and you carry your kit where ever you go.
Mario
Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (Dec 8, 2005 08:38PM)
Just to keep you all up to speed we have called him Toby. :)
Mario
Message: Posted by: Steve V (Dec 8, 2005 11:07PM)
I like Toby...can Moi Yo be his middle name?
Steve V
Message: Posted by: Zack (Dec 9, 2005 12:37PM)
Here's what I see as the problem: Just because somebody is a busker, it doesn't mean that they have all the answers. What works for one might not work for another. EVERYTHING should be tested and taken with a grain of salt.
Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (Dec 9, 2005 05:49PM)
Thanks for that Zack but what point are you trying to make?
Should we assume that your not talking as a busker?
By the way my eldest son is called Zack he is 15yrs old, good kid, he is not a busker.
Mario
Message: Posted by: Zack (Dec 10, 2005 01:56AM)
I am a busker. But that doesn't mean that what I say is not full of ****.
Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (Dec 10, 2005 04:29AM)
OK
First of my assumption was based on your web-site I should have read your bio, sorry my mistacke.
Secound I still don't get your point other than your full of, you said it. lol
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On 2005-12-09 13:37, Zack wrote:
Here's what I see as the problem: Just because somebody is a busker, it doesn't mean that they have all the answers. What works for one might not work for another. EVERYTHING should be tested and taken with a grain of salt.
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No seriously if what you said above is your point then your right, I disagree with most of it. They may not be able to give all the answers but they can give most experienced advice. What works for one might not work for another is right as far as content is concerned but we know that much. On the other hand you would be wise to listen to the advice given by a good busker. How to Pull a crowd, keep a crowd and then hat a crowd and that is transferable skill tried and tested around the world. I beleave only a busker could teach thoes skills, any one esle can suggest ideas but not teach.
Mario
Message: Posted by: Paddy (Dec 10, 2005 08:02AM)
Mario, there is an old saying here, "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Unfortunatly it is true with a lot of teachers in schools, they cant perform so they teach. However, you are correct. In busking I only will listen to those who are buskers. They have made the mistakes and learned the hard way, so why should I have to bust my own head when I can listen to the voice of experience and learn how to do it RIGHT!

Peter
Message: Posted by: Zack (Dec 12, 2005 01:20PM)
My point is very simple. I am a busker, and every piece of advice I give on the Café comes from experience. However, YOUR MILEAGE MAY VARY. that's all I'm trying to say.

I do think it would be a good idea if there was some way of distinguishing what advice comes from experience and what is just theory.

The knife through arm thread is a perfect example of what I'm trying to say.

The knife has a few things for it: Its spectacular, and violence attracts attention.
Its also got a few things against it: Its nasty and vulgar and may frighten the family audiences away. Also, in Santa Monica, you are not allowed to use knives. (But who knows...you might get away with it.)

So..will it work? I HAVE NO IDEA...you have to try it out. I've don't things that looked GREAT on paper. If I had submitted them to the Café, I would have gotten enthusiastic thumbs ups. But in the laboratory of the street, they didn't work.

that's the good thing about the street, you do so many shows that you can try a million things and keep the stuff that works.

[i]How to Pull a crowd, keep a crowd and then hat a crowd and that is transferable skill tried and tested around the world. I believe only a busker could teach those skills, any one else can suggest ideas but not teach. [/i]

Hmmm...Don Driver isn't a busker, he's a pitchman and a jam auctioneer, but he's got a lot to teach on how to draw a crowd.
But that's all just my opinion.

Your mileage may vary.

--Zack
Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (Dec 12, 2005 03:16PM)
I have had a brief chat with Don Driver on Danny Hustlers site, and I think if I remember right you will find he has Busked.
On the other hand buskers and pitchmen do share some comon ground. I do think that a good busker could make a good pitchman; a pitchman would have to develop some new skills to be a good busker.
I let you in on a secret that a lot of pitchmen don't want you to know; buskers can be the best pitchmen around.
I will also add that I do a lot of pitching my self. At one time a ran tow barrels.
I also think it is a pile of rubbish that a pitchman has to be a nasty, lying, thief what a cover; they could be but hay they use to look at buskers that way two.
While we are splitting hairs I must remind my self this is not about pitchmen.
On the other hand I have four fingers and a thumb.
Mario
PS I have seen a few drunks pull a crowd and I think you could learn a trick or tow from them.
PPS The stuff I have seen of Don Driver I would recomend.
Message: Posted by: Danny Hustle (Dec 12, 2005 04:23PM)
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On 2005-12-12 14:38, Zack wrote:
[i]How to Pull a crowd, keep a crowd and then hat a crowd and that is transferable skill tried and tested around the world. I beleave only a busker could teach thoes skills, any one esle can suggest ideas but not teach. [/i]

Hmmm...Don Driver isn't a busker, he's a pitchman and a jam auctioneer, but he's got a lot to teach on how to draw a crowd.
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Zack, I hear you are making millions with the Jam tip. How is that working out for you? Have you made any modifications to make it fit your venue?

Best,

Dan-
Message: Posted by: Zack (Dec 12, 2005 07:29PM)
You're right Mario, we're splitting hairs...sometimes I do that.

I do agree completely with your essential point...that there's a lot of wannabes and walter mitty's giving advice.

Pitchman IMHO have a lot to teach us. I worked for Gerry Spaulding for a time, and learned a LOT.
Message: Posted by: Zack (Dec 12, 2005 07:33PM)
Hi Danny!

I wouldn't say I'm making millions, but its made huge differences in my bottom line.

Yes, I've changed it significantly...I've learned a few of the principles that make it work, and do it my own way now.
Message: Posted by: Danny Hustle (Dec 12, 2005 09:08PM)
Hiya Zack,

Thanks for the info. I can't wait to see the video Don is putting together. I hear you may be making an appearance in it working the tip!

Should be great stuff!

Best,

Dan-
Message: Posted by: Zack (Dec 13, 2005 12:01AM)
Yep, I'll be on it! I am just a mere student though, Don is the master.
Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (Dec 13, 2005 08:57AM)
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On 2005-12-12 20:29, Zack wrote:
You're right Mario, we're splitting hairs...sometimes I do that.
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Hi Zack

No porblems, first we had wannabe buskers but now a new bread of wannabe pitchmen.

Don Driver watch out you may be peeing on your own bed.

LOL
Mario
Message: Posted by: DAK (Dec 13, 2005 12:57PM)
I think the difference is between people giving advice and sharing their experience.
I started busking this year - in that year I've learnt and experienced alot. I'm happy to share my experiences but would not want to offer advice as I still feel I have a huge amount to learn. Although I made my best hat ever today ;).

I don;t mind listening to peoples experiences but when they then try and make out that they can now give advice I find it weird. A kid has released an ebook on "street magic", he's done it for a bit but it's crazy he thinks he can release an ebook! But hey what can you do - Thankfully I think it's relatively easy to spot whose the real deal and will listen to their advice.

Kindest Regards

DAK
Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (Feb 9, 2006 11:52PM)
Retiring
I am said to say that I will be retiring alone with a long list of buskers from the side walk.
My main reason is posted in this thread.
Mind you I will be watching and if see the nature of this place change around, I reserve the right to pull my self out of retirement. You may even receive the odd PM from me.
If I can be of any service then you know where to find me.
My closing words is,
break a leg,
Mario
PS Dak Keep on keeping on. :)
Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (Feb 11, 2006 09:15AM)
Don't do it I want you to stay!
Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (Feb 11, 2006 09:15AM)
OK just for you I will stay for a little while longer
Mario
Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (Feb 11, 2006 09:17AM)
Few the Side Walk would have got realy boring with out you.
Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (Feb 11, 2006 09:17AM)
Just like any city center.
Thanks
Mario
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Feb 11, 2006 09:19AM)
I'm a busker!
kozmo
Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (Feb 11, 2006 09:39AM)
That just because you could not get a proper job.
I give you a job you can carry my bag you probally make more money.
Mario :)
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Feb 11, 2006 10:11PM)
Lol.....is that a challenge?

:)

I don't carry anyones anything!

well I used to busk before I became this guy whgo makes dvd's?...what am I thinking?
koz
Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (Feb 14, 2006 06:42PM)
Hay I sell a few thing but that is just a hobby.

Just to let you know I will be realeasing a DVD some time this year.

Mario