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Topic: 3 shell game
Message: Posted by: Erdnase27 (Dec 30, 2005 02:08AM)
Hi guys. I am playing recently with the 3 shell game. The steals and loads are going well but I have a problem with a ball load. It is the one where spectator puts the nut over the pea and then puts a glass over the nut. I then move it forward to load it [b]but[/b] as I do the nut turns around. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Does anyone have some advice for me to do this well? I got the idea while watching a show from Hans Kazan (a Dutch magician), he did it there and very well.

Thanks in advance
Message: Posted by: Darren Kidby (Dec 30, 2005 04:54AM)
Which make of shells are you using?
Message: Posted by: Vandy Grift (Dec 30, 2005 08:42AM)
I'm not sure I understand. The spec puts the shell over the pea. Then the glass over the shell. The you move it foward to load it? I think you move it foward to steal the pea. Is that correct?

Then the next thing is the shell is turning around? I'm not sure what you mean there, BUT it may be a simple as using a smaller glass that dosen't allow the shell to turn around. Something that just fits over the shell. I may have missed the point of the question, if so, please forgive me.

Keep on Truckin' dude.

Vandy
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Dec 30, 2005 08:45AM)
Michiel, where did you learn to use a glass with the 3 shell game?
Message: Posted by: Vandy Grift (Dec 30, 2005 08:51AM)
He said he got it from watching some Dutch magician. But it's a pretty common thing. Glenn Bishop does a fine routine with the shotglass. I've even see people sell the shotglass with the shells.

Vandy
Message: Posted by: vinsmagic (Dec 30, 2005 09:37AM)
Glen Bishop also has avery convincing steal of the pea ,,,,,,,
it can be ound on his dvd
vinny
Message: Posted by: Erdnase27 (Dec 30, 2005 03:29PM)
Thanks for your kind comments all. Yes it is a common thing. THe pea can sneek under the glass, but as I do the nut turns around. Im using vernet nuts btw.
Message: Posted by: mrmystic (Dec 31, 2005 09:03AM)
I have a similar problem, but I can't find a shotglass quite big enough to cover my shell. I really like the shells I have and don't want to get smaller ones. Does anyone know where I can find shotglasses with a little bit bigger mouth?
Message: Posted by: Dave V (Dec 31, 2005 11:37AM)
Try votive candle holders. They are a little bigger than a shot glass. I even found some that fit nicely over the La Maggiore shells.
Message: Posted by: Kingry (Jan 2, 2006 05:58AM)
Bed Bath and Beyond has the perfect glass covers for La Maggiore in the cooking section. I believe they are used to hold premeasured spices for cooking. Round and short. They should work nicely with your Vetnet's as well.
Message: Posted by: dlcmagic (Jan 2, 2006 09:25PM)
I had the same problem using a shot glass. I went to a restaurant supply store and purchased a small glass that works better.
Message: Posted by: Erdnase27 (Jan 3, 2006 07:42AM)
Another problem I have with the 3 shell game is the scraping noise and feeling when you use them on a close up pad... any ideas on that folks?
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Jan 3, 2006 02:38PM)
You don't hear that noise with the better shells.
if it bothers you, it's probably time to get a good set of shells.
Message: Posted by: corpmagi (Jan 3, 2006 04:15PM)
Phil Cass uses a small ceramic dish which he places over the shell. A very unique routine. You can order the routine in booklet form (Oh No, Not a Magician) or as a DVD from http://www.philcass.com
Message: Posted by: Dave V (Jan 3, 2006 04:29PM)
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On 2006-01-03 08:42, MichielTummers wrote:
Another problem I have with the 3 shell game is the scraping noise and feeling when you use them on a close up pad... any ideas on that folks?
[/quote]

The School for Scoundrels shells, being cast from real walnuts, have a natural texture inside and out and because of that they can have a tiny bit of roughness left over from the casting process. A couple of passes over a very fine (400 grit or better) sandpaper takes care of it. The La Maggiores have an almost glassy smoothness to the inside of theirs, so there shouldn't be any problem with them. The plastic ones("Perfect" shells or Vernet) you're pretty much on your own.

Rather than a close up pad, I covered my table with poker cloth. It's a finer nap than typical close up pads. If you don't use your own table, you might experiment with making your own pad using this cloth. I've had absolutely no problem with this surface after I did the sandpaper trick to my S4S shells.
Message: Posted by: wardia (Jan 7, 2006 08:39PM)
I never used the shells but would like to learn. Does Vernet sell the shell set including pea?
Message: Posted by: Dave V (Jan 7, 2006 10:46PM)
Yes, I believe the Vernets do come with the pea.
Message: Posted by: Erdnase27 (Jan 8, 2006 06:25AM)
Yup they come with 3 shells and 4 pees
Message: Posted by: Zamboni (Jan 9, 2006 03:05AM)
I second Phil Cass' routine as all the moves you'll need. Just don't use his playfully insulting humor unless your very brave. (Though I do like the story about taking drinks from bikies without even speaking.)
Message: Posted by: nowyouseeitmagic (Jan 9, 2006 09:08PM)
I lov ethe 3 shell game becaus eyo uwi every time!
Message: Posted by: evolve629 (Jan 9, 2006 09:33PM)
Did you say you win every time, nowyouseeitmagic? That is great but make sure you let the spec. wins once or twice too :)
Message: Posted by: Nill (Jan 11, 2006 05:39PM)
Hi guys, I also do love The 3 Shell Game. I'm using the Vernet ones and they do fine for me, I did sandpaper them to give that nice and smooth edge which enables me to work in any surface really, of course the smoother the better. Here are some of the great workers on the subject whose I had studyed and put a lot of thinking to improve and build my own routine. I hope it contributes.
- The Manual of The 3 Shell Game by Eddie Joseph( a great old book where I got my first steps in the shell game);
- The Art of Close-Up Magic by Lewis Ganson Vol.1(good insights and full of other stuff);
- Bob Kholer - The Golden 3 Shell Game DVD(nice routined and patter,He uses a shot glass for the finalle);
- Gary Oullet - Vernon Revelations Vol.14 DVD(Gary on his early days,just performace,He uses a little ceramic saucer to cover the shell and a clear glass on top of everything for his finalle);
- Phill Cass - The Pea & Shell Game DVD(nice dude;his routine is all based on the psicological thinking of the game, taking risks every round he builds confidence and trust of the audience; his able to put up almost 30min on this game; he uses a little plastic food container' the ones they serve you in the airplane, they are quiet big for the shells but if you do the move properly you still can get the pea out of it)
Message: Posted by: mrmystic (Jan 12, 2006 10:21PM)
Dave
The candel holder was a great idea. I picked one up at a thrift store for a quarter. It looks like a shot glass, just a little bit bigger and thicker glass so it should be more durable if dropped by accident.
Thanks
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Jan 14, 2006 06:22AM)
If you want some great lessons on the 3 Shell Game, check out the below:

http://www.theambitiouscard.com/shop/details.cfm?code=DVD1SHELL

http://www.theambitiouscard.com/shop/details.cfm?code=VGOLDENSH

http://www.theambitiouscard.com/shop/details.cfm?code=VPCVIDEO
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Jan 30, 2006 12:34AM)
I received my 3 Shells a few days ago from http://www.theambitiouscard.com I am now using La Maggiore Shells. They are a little smaller than the Vernets Shells. One advantage is they can fit in my pockets without looking as bulky. The other advantage because of the smaller size is because it fits perfectly in a shot glass.

I now know what Michiel was talking about in the first post about the (shot) glass. I learned it from Bob Kohler, "The Golden Shells" video. "Shell Game" by School for Scoundrels is a great dvd also.
Message: Posted by: magicmind (Feb 8, 2006 10:36AM)
Nill,
You mention some great sources, but missed one of the best. Al Flosso "Coney Island Fakir" 30+ pages on just the 3 shell game.
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Feb 8, 2006 12:27PM)
Thanks Vinny, and Vandy Grift for the kind words.

The shot glass is an old thing that was used with the shells for a long time. And using the shot glass was old when I started to do the shells. When doing the shot glass move I have found it better to steal the pea out before you cover the shell with the shot glass. Then mix the shells.

I have quite a few moves with the shot glass that are unpublished.

The shot glass ending I use is my own idea and is in a free e-book at my web site and on my DVD-2 tested tricks for table side tricksters.
Message: Posted by: magicmind (Feb 14, 2006 04:27PM)
BTM,
Could not find the ebook :S. I would like to see more on shotglass moves.
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Feb 15, 2006 11:43PM)
Hi magicmind,

Go to my web site and click this link ----- Click Here For Ordering Information And Reviews Of Glenn Bishop's Teach-In DVD's! Then look on the left hand side of the page as you go down it is about the thrid link from the bottom on the left hand side of the page.

I also have video of me doing the routine at the same site but in my Video Scrapbook theater.

It is also a free download at the Whit's Scoundrels Forum.

Enjoy!
Message: Posted by: rannie (Feb 16, 2006 10:00PM)
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On 2005-12-30 10:37, vinsmagic wrote:
Glen Bishop also has avery convincing steal of the pea ,,,,,,,
it can be ound on his dvd
vinny
[/quote]

The Godfather said it! It is in my opinion one of the best if not the best steals. I love that even with a spectator on your bad side, the steal is invisible. Glenn discovered this as a child. Another thing I love about it is the open display when Glenn turns over the shell to show that the pea is not there.

I combine different steals for my shell game, but the Bishop Steal is my main tool.

Glenn's routine is very professional and direct. I love Phill Cass' routine as well. If you visit Mr. Haydn's site, his routine is a master class in audience management and entertainment.

Rannie

PS I was sessioning with the older magicians who played heavily with the shell game and they did'nt know what I was doing. Performing or sessioning with magicians, I found that combining the Bishop Steal with the standard steals such as the one used by Patrick Page and Phil Cass as a "set up" for those in the know, I was able to use them as decoys. What really matters at the end of the day is that it worked for my lay audiences. The magician fooler was just a bonus. Its nice to be thoughtful once in a while and treat your fellow magicians with a stumpper!
Message: Posted by: Jaybs (Feb 20, 2006 10:57AM)
I also enjoyed Glenn's shell game routine. I use different steals during my performance, but I always use Glenn's ending to finsh my routine. Mr. Bishop's shell game routine is simply put: short and sweet. Do any of you have problems in doing the Bishop steal when using the SFS perfect peas? I have a harder time doing the Bishop steal when I use a perfect pea as opposed to a cut up sponge.
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Feb 20, 2006 04:51PM)
Jaybs my friend I worked out the Bishop steal when I was very young - under 10 years old. Back then the only thing that was being used for a pea for magicians - as far as I know was a sponge.

If I use a s4s pea I use different moves - the Bishop steal was not thought out for the perfect pea. It was for the use of the sponge pea.

I may end up doing a shell game/thimble rig DVD with the other moves I do besides the short routine that I already published.
Message: Posted by: rannie (Mar 2, 2006 10:33AM)
Please do Glenn!

I really love the Bishop steal! I found that I can do the Bishop steal with the perfect peas with ease. I can't wait to see this DVD!

Rannie
Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (Mar 2, 2006 09:26PM)
I use the three shell game as a crowd build at times, it works very well.
If you find a glass that fit,s snug over your vernet shells they cant flip.

I use 2 glases in my end routen, a great teaching can be found in Supershells by Gary Ouellet.

We do supply this if your intereated.
Mario
Message: Posted by: ROBERT BLAKE (Mar 4, 2006 09:18AM)
I use a square glass. the shell can't turn because of the square glass.

michiel, ga eens kijken bij de hema of v&d daar heb ik ze weg. groetjes.