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Topic: One Trip from the Car
Message: Posted by: Andy Wonder (Nov 16, 2002 11:41PM)
I think it is a huge benifit when performing at kids birthdays to be able to make just one trip from your car into the venue. When I started out I had so many different bits to carry. I remember having park up the street in the rain, then dropping of my props inside the clients house then running out to get the rest of my stuff. I hated doing this because young children could never understand why I left again so soon. They would also play with whatever equipment I left unattended when I was back out at my car. Then of course everytime I made my 1st trip back packing up agin the kids would be screaming 'Hey Mister you FORGOT your RABBIT!!!!"
Now I have one small box that contains everying except my rabbit production cage (that I have in my other hand). I designed this box myself & had it custom made. It can be used as a seat. It contains a battery operated stereo system with remote control. I even use it to have 2 or 3 kids standing on as a back row when everyone is crowded together for a group photo.
The opening flaps at the back & front are almost kiddie prof so they can't open it if they try.
It is a very unassuming style that just sort of blends in with the furniture. I am sure half the time people don't even notice I have it.
http://www.madjik.co.nz/multi-magic-box.htm

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Message: Posted by: p.b.jones (Nov 17, 2002 02:42AM)
Do you carry the rabbit in the production cage then Andy? isn,t that a bit messy if he is in there all day?

My box is similar to yours but like a rolon table it has a fold up section and the back becomes the top. I have velcro around this and I attach Foil fabrics to decorate. this also alows the show to look different as I have a few designs. my rabbit production goes in the box. I carry the box in one hand my costume over my shoulder in a professional suit bag and the rabbit cage in the other hand. If I use amplification and I would not for up to 35 kids then I need a second journey.
Do you use a seperate sound system for large venues?
Working in front of your speakers is asking for feed back troubles at higher volume. I carefuly took my all in one system appart and put a top hat in the bottom. I carry a light wieght ali speaker stand and the system goes on that, as you can ajust the hight it is really good at almost all venues.

Phillip
Message: Posted by: Andy Wonder (Nov 17, 2002 02:03PM)
I have a seperate amplification system that I don't usually use for kids parties. Actually it is broken right now and I plan to buy a new one soon. The box you see has a car CD player mounted inside. Some of my show and games require music. The rabbit gets loaded in his cage at my car right before I walk in & he has a 2nd larger cage that stays in the car.
As for my costume I wear it. My set up time is nil (other than loading the rabbit while still at my car). I allow 30 minutes between parties if they are on the same side of the city, 45 minutes if they are a little further away.
Message: Posted by: p.b.jones (Nov 17, 2002 02:25PM)
Hi,
I understand now Andy, I thought it was an amplification system for a mike
Phillip
Message: Posted by: danryb (Nov 17, 2002 02:32PM)
I just posted a new topic but missed this one,
Why don't you guys get a folding trolly like me? I do one short trip from the car. I made a "prop box" magic table. It can be carried in one hand if neccessery but I usualy just place it on my new folding trolly and on top I put a good looking and very effective amp system which I think is a must even if less then 35 kids because it just gets a great reaction from kids and parents for that matter who find this very proffesional. Also I can keep full control over the children and continue to offer it's use after the show when "mum" want's the kids to go outside and play or gather around for going away presents etc.
Still only one trip from the car! I also arrive ready dressed and have adapted my personality to simply not need the use of livestock to create a riot of a party. Why use and tend to the needs of animals (as small as they may be) if I can do without them.
Talking of which - I am contemplating a bunny in the hat or bird arm illusion - What would you suggest?
Message: Posted by: p.b.jones (Nov 17, 2002 02:55PM)
HI,
I have a folding trolly but only really use it at my hospital shows. at most other venues it would be more trouble wheeling the trolly than carrying the props. for the venues I work anway.

Quote: Why use and tend to the needs of animals (as small as they may be) if I can do without them.

I like animals I have 3 cats and 3 rabbits,
I would have them even if I was not a magicain. The live bunny is a large part of my show, I can and have worked without but they just add so much to a childrens show.
And it gives me someone to talk to in the car!
I often tell the kids that it's Frodo's turn to drive
Phillip


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Message: Posted by: Andy Wonder (Nov 17, 2002 03:05PM)
I can't visualise this folding trolly. Do you have a photo of it? I have to think very carefully how I am still going to manage my one trip once I add mic & amp.
As for my bunny I would not be without him. As far as I am concerned he is worth his weight in gold. I have had parents book my show just to have the bunny. One woman called me recently and asked if she could hire a bunny for he daughter birthday party.
:bunny2:
Message: Posted by: kaznzak (Nov 18, 2002 06:38AM)
I use a folding trolly as well as a bright pink suitcase which is lockable and on wheels. being a clown as well I seem to have to carry much more stuff than a straight (or otherwise magician)! In my folding trolly I carry a collapsible table, folding chair, large tool box with face painting gear, a portable CD player, stuff for games, giant change bag and prize bag. In my very clowny small pink suitcase I pack a 45 minute magic show. If I am doing the rabbit production I also have to carry the rabbit in the box (large cage in car fro travelling). I can mostly make it in one trip - I use the trolly to save my back and it does a really good job. I am always looking for better ways of doing it or reducing the amount I have to carry, but that is the best I can do at present!
Cheers
Kaz :sun:
Message: Posted by: danryb (Nov 18, 2002 04:05PM)
sorry, no picture of the trolly. I had one built for me and it lasted 8 solid years. It is still going strong (except for the wheels - they are a bit small and starting to wear). I walked into a d.i.y store and came across a great trolly with massive soft wheel which are ideal for climbing kerbs and steps and when you push the handle down and pull up the front portion that holds my box the wheels close in flat at the back. You have to look around for these things.
I would imagine using livestock is somewhat promoting and interesting for kid shows. I also tend to talk to myself during the short ride from show to show but just can't seem to realy want to add one to the outfit.
Again - what are your opinions of bird arm illusions and/or rabbit in hat or other puppets?
Message: Posted by: ageo (Dec 22, 2015 10:38PM)
Does anybody have designs and/or photos of their carry cases or wheeled trolleys? I certainly would like to find information about that. Such topic is seldom addressed in magic textobooks and is crucial for an effective show. Time spent setting up can be significantly reduced when a suitable carry case-table is used.
I am a geologist from Colombia, and am retaking my magical career, after 21 years of dedication to my profession.
It is great to find that there is so much information available, and that the "support group" is that large and talkative.
Alberto Mago Tato.
Message: Posted by: Howie Diddot (Dec 23, 2015 01:03AM)
I make 4 or 5 trips from my car to carry in my show; I fill the house with magic, a large Jeff Jones backdrop covers the wall, colorful tricks everywhere; when the guests come in the room they all go wooo.... how nice!!!

I know magicians in my area that brag about carrying in a briefcase to a kids show filled with card, rope and coin tricks because " it's too much work to carry things into a house" then they go to the gym for $60.00 a month to get exercise... go figure....

I always end my show with trip number 5, a live rabbit production.

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Message: Posted by: jay leslie (Dec 23, 2015 05:54AM)
I carry whatever size show is needed
If I'm in a park, one case
On a stage in a school, 3 trips
At a home it could be 2 or 3 trips depending on how much room I have.
Message: Posted by: noland (Dec 23, 2015 06:40AM)
I'm definitely a single-trip magician. Since I perform mainly at kids' parties, it really helps to be able to pack up and take off for the next gig as quickly as possible.
Message: Posted by: Michael Messing (Dec 23, 2015 07:28AM)
I don't have a photo of what I bring in but it's usually one or two trips (depending on whether there are any steps or not.) I use two large Lefler Pro Suitcase tables and I put my Jeff Jones Magic backdrop on top of one of the tables and my small PA system (in a case) on top of the other and roll both cases in. If there are several steps, I roll one in at a time. This is for birthday parties and small shows. For larger groups requiring a larger PA system and a larger prop like my Elite Chair Suspension, it will take two to three trips.
Message: Posted by: Skip Way (Dec 23, 2015 09:03AM)
One trip guy here. I am "on" the second I walk through the door. I carry a large Lefler table, JJ backdrop, and small Paso PA. That covers me for a very energetic 90-minute party. For in-home birthday parties, if I can't carry it in one trip, it doesn't go. I personally see no reason or value in transforming a living room into a Vegas show palace.
Message: Posted by: danfreed (Dec 23, 2015 09:13AM)
The rolling cart thing doesn't seem to make too much sense for birthday parties, or am I wrong? I haven't tried it. There are jut so many obstacles between , steps, etc, that a cart just seems like more bother than it's worth. Now at a school, or something then that makes sense to me. I make 2 or 3 trips to the car, depending on if there is there is room to carry 2 boxes at a time - 1 in each hand on my sides. I have a small Lefler suitcase and a Showtime cube table and base. I used to use an extra large Lefler style suitcase table and a trunk, but they are too big & heavy for bringing down stairways into basements. I'd like to find lighter weight solutions that do the same thing and that look nice, but I've stuck out so far. I'd also like to find lighter weight solutions to bring in the soft puppets, I think I'll start a thread on that.
Message: Posted by: jakeg (Dec 23, 2015 09:31AM)
I tried to build a one trip show, but it just doesn't work for me. Trip 1 is a medium heavy suitcase, 2 is for a tray stand, small side table and puppet. I'd love to use a live rabbit, (I'm partial to the Blue Dutch), but it's just not practical for me. I tell the mothers that because we can't be sure about kid's allergies, I stopped using livestock. Sounds feasible.
Message: Posted by: noland (Dec 23, 2015 04:24PM)
For birthday parties, I walk in with a small Lefler table in one hand, an over-sized brief case in the other (it will eventually rest on top of the Lefler table during my performance) and my Happy Amp slung over my shoulder (in it's carrying case). Like Dan, I find there are too many steps in houses to be able to roll stuff in on a cart. At a school or similar building, I put every thing on a small hand truck to roll the same stuff in, but then also use the upright hand truck as a stand for my Happy Amp.
Message: Posted by: Howie Diddot (Dec 23, 2015 05:14PM)
Lefler sure sold a lot of tables.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Dec 23, 2015 05:30PM)
Lefler also helped increase the practices of many CHIROPRACTORS!
Message: Posted by: TrickyRicky (Dec 23, 2015 10:47PM)
My very first roll on was Mak Magic case to table. Later on I graduated to a Ron Bishop's table taken from his book (Laughter all the way) which I used for over 10 years. For reasons that I can't explained, I started using the Lefler roll on case to table. It was quite heavy when loaded with props and as Dick Oslund stated in his last post---I ended up with a damaged wrist and shoulder.
I was lucky to be able to get a very lite roll on from Tony Clark about 15 years ago. It weighed 15 pounds empty and roughly 30 pounds loaded with my birthday party tricks.
The only large prop in my show now, is my plastic top hat. I don't carry too much props anymore. I found out that I don't need all the heavy stuffs.
I had my good magic friend and one of the best children's entertainer in Toronto customized the suite case with metal trimmings around the edges. I'm presently using that same case.
Tricky Ricky
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Dec 24, 2015 10:05AM)
I make one trip and I fill the room with magic. It's not about being lazy. It's about being true to our artistic vision .
Message: Posted by: bowers (Dec 24, 2015 10:47AM)
Sometimes one and then sometimes two trips.
According to the age group and lenth of the show.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Dec 24, 2015 11:42AM)
Hey Ricky! Welcome to "the club"!

We had a "motto" when I was a Boy Scout and, we went on many back packing hikes: "What you carry in your head, is a lot lighter than what you carry on your back!"

Our #2 "motto" was: "It don't take brains to be uncomfortable!"

I thought, back, in '70. that I would try a suit case table (Merv Taylor "style") A friend built one for me. The props stored and fit in just great. I used it for a season. and, "gave it away"! I spent more on chiropractors than the table was worth!

After THAT "mistake", I went back to my 13" x 20" x 8" fiber case (3 lbs) props (14 lbs) and, "tray stand" (5 lbs). It's actually, a converted stand from my old carrousel slide projector stand--on which I installed "industrial" wheels). I can drag the tray stand from the parking lot to the building, then, "open" the stand, put the case on top, and push it to the performing area. My back feels good again!

I think that fiber case has about 10,000 shows on it. It has seen the Gulf of Mexico, the Canadian border, the Atlantic and Pacific (and a whole bunch of kids!)

Merry Christmas!
Message: Posted by: TheMightyRicardo (Dec 24, 2015 01:55PM)
Another vote for just 1 trip. I have 1 box inside another and what is in my pockets. Very efficient for setting up and packing away, especially for parlour shows, but works for my rare Stage shows as well. Over the years I've replaced beloved bulky items with pack small / play big.
Merry Christmas everyone.
Richard
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Dec 24, 2015 07:34PM)
I told this story in my book, but, I think that it's worth repeating here.

In '51, I was in the Navy, in Norfolk, Va. Earl Edwards, co-owner of the EdMar Magic Shop, invited we sailors to store civilian clothes "upstairs" in the shop.
In return, we helped out behind the counter in the evening, when we had liberty.

I had joined the local Ring, and had noted that Milford Martin, co-owner with Earl, would book little club dates for a few of the ring members who did shows. My 30 minute act packed in a cigar box sized leather shaving kit. The Ring members liked what I did at meetings. I asked Milford to book a club date for me. He replied: "You don't have any equipment!" His idea of a magic show was a suitcase full of boxes, tubes, pans and cans.

I sent home for a suitcase full of the boxes, tubes, etc. that I had used when I was 15. It arrived, I showed the "apparatus" (!) to Milford. He booked a club date for a union meeting. Bill Knight, ventriloquist, and, I left the shop by taxi.

Arriving at the venue, we found a "backroom" and, I placed my big suitcase behind he door, and "set" my props in the little case. (Set? ha! I stuffed a silk into a dye tube, put a raw egg in my pocket, put a deck of cards in another pocket, a length of rope and scissors went into a coat pocket, and a set of multiplying balls were set in other pockets. Bill looked surprised, but, said nothing.

The show went fine, and the next day, Milford asked Bill how it went. Bill said that I had not even opened my suitcase. The client phoned and expressed appreciation. Martin gave up, and set more dates for me!

One trip in!
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Dec 24, 2015 07:49PM)
P.S. THAT act WAS my act. I did it for lodge ladies nights, kid birthday parties, and, "everything in between"!

I had been trying to do a "swayve and deboner" act (white gloves, tails, cards (split fans)etc. but, it wasn't "selling". A local "vest pocket agent" set me a "showing date" at a Kiwanis meeting. It played OK. The agent asked, "Can't you make 'em laugh?" I said, "I think I can." He said, "Make 'em laugh, and, I'll get you work." I did, and he did.

After that, I sent my Navy pay check home to the bank every two weeks.
Message: Posted by: TrickyRicky (Dec 24, 2015 08:21PM)
I have nothing against using lots of props. It's just that, with a bad hand I can't carry much weight. That forced me to develop routines with small props.
I've discovered that tricks like the 20th Century Silks--Misers Dream--Egg Bag--sponge bunnies--rope--silk Cabby and the Silk wonder Box are still some of the best for adults and children. Oldies, that stood the test of time.
As the Mighty One say's (pack small play big).
Tricky Ricky
Message: Posted by: jakeg (Dec 24, 2015 08:45PM)
TonyB2009 put one of his shows up on this forum. Well worth watching. I'm completely impressed at how much he is able get out of a group of kids with a few simple props.
It's all personality and presentation.
Message: Posted by: TrickyRicky (Dec 24, 2015 09:21PM)
At our last Ring meeting a fellow magician and a member of the club said "Ricky, I know you don't carry much big props like I do, what do you tell them when they ask about you not bringing a house full of illusions?
I said "they never asked, It's me that they've booked and not the props, I'm the show". As we all know, it's not what you do, but it's how you do it.
The plastic hat and bunny is the largest item I carry with me.
Tricky Ricky
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Dec 25, 2015 05:27AM)
[quote]On Dec 24, 2015, TrickyRicky wrote:
I have nothing against using lots of props. It's just that, with a bad hand I can't carry much weight. That forced me to develop routines with small props.
I've discovered that tricks like the 20th Century Silks--Misers Dream--Egg Bag--sponge bunnies--rope--silk Cabby and the Silk wonder Box are still some of the best for adults and children. Oldies, that stood the test of time.
As the Mighty One say's (pack small play big).
Tricky Ricky [/quote]

INTERESTING!

Except for the silk cabby, and sponge bunnies and, with a few additions, like rope (knots and nitemare, "perpetual balls", 3 rings, color change silk, "Slydini" Knots, tip-cee bottle, that's about what I use, too. For high schools, I also do a comedy routine with wands and brakawa fan, and "fancy" card shuffles.

The "interesting" thing is that these are all "classics". Oh! add the mutilated parasol for the "munchkins".

When "we" published my book, many asked for a DVD of my school program. Norm Barnhart "cobbled" together several elementary school shows, shot over a "few" years by visiting magician friends. They are candid shots, not studio quality, but, they do show how small hand props can be effective.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Dec 25, 2015 05:42AM)
[quote]On Dec 24, 2015, TrickyRicky wrote:
I have nothing against using lots of props. It's just that, with a bad hand I can't carry much weight. That forced me to develop routines with small props.
I've discovered that tricks like the 20th Century Silks--Misers Dream--Egg Bag--sponge bunnies--rope--silk Cabby and the Silk wonder Box are still some of the best for adults and children. Oldies, that stood the test of time.
As the Mighty One say's (pack small play big).
Tricky Ricky [/quote]

INTERESTING!

Except for the silk cabby, and sponge bunnies and, with a few additions, like rope (knots and nitemare, "perpetual balls", 3 rings, color change silk, "Slydini" Knots, tip-cee bottle, that's about what I use, too. For high schools, I also do a comedy routine with wands and brakawa fan, and "fancy" card shuffles.

The "interesting" thing is that these are all "classics". Oh! add the mutilated parasol for the "munchkins".

When "we" published my book, many asked for a DVD of my school program. Norm Barnhart "cobbled" together several elementary school shows, shot over a "few" years by visiting magician friends. They are candid shots, not studio quality, but, they do show how small hand props can be effective.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Dec 25, 2015 05:44AM)
[quote]On Dec 24, 2015, jakeg wrote:
TonyB2009 put one of his shows up on this forum. Well worth watching. I'm completely impressed at how much he is able get out of a group of kids with a few simple props.
It's all personality and presentation. [/quote]

Yup~! PERSONALITY AND PRESENTATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(KIS MIF!)
Message: Posted by: Gerry Walkowski (Dec 25, 2015 06:38AM)
For starters, Merry Christmas everyone.

I have an interesting question for Tricky Ricky and Dick Oslund.

Here it goes:

If 2 magicians had EQUAL TALENT and GREAT PERSONALITIES but one carried a few extra flashy props, do you feel that THE CLIENT would still enjoy seeing a slightly bigger show with more bells and whistles?

I thinkg that they would.

I have seen some wonderful magicians in my life. I've seen Paul Daniels slay audiences with a chop cup, Professor's Nightmare and Linking Rings. Jay Marshall was just great with a hand puppet and Blackstone Jr. was a master with a vanishing bird cage, rope tie, etc.

Still, all things being equal, would an audience feel more endulged seeing a bigger show with more flash?

I think they would.

Look, I'm totally NOT in favor of carrying in extra stuff just to make me look better. That's why I would never transport a backdrop curtain. I just think that something like that is a little overboard.

My basic act would probably fit into a case the size that Dick Oslund transports, but still I like carrying in a few extra pieces that I feel are necessary in order to endulge my audiences and to brand my show in such a unique way that it makes it an unforgettable experience.

If you have 5 half-way decent magicians in your market and everyone of them are performing the Miser's Dream, 20th Century Silks, Professor's Nightmare, Liking Rings and the Mutilated Parasol, how can an agent or an audience tell one magician from another?

I don't think they can.

I know we all say PERSONALITY and PRESENTATION, but not every performer is a terrible entertainer.

It's something to think about.

Gerry
Message: Posted by: TrickyRicky (Dec 25, 2015 07