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Topic: 3 shell game
Message: Posted by: Etienne M. (Jan 22, 2006 04:12AM)
Some time ago I saw a presentation of the 3 shell game.
It got me very interested. I had decided that I would give it a try.
So I searched the net and different magicstores, I even read the posts here at the magiccafe and Bill Palmers excellent post about buying new props. I didnīt know what to buy.

Now for my question. What are good shells to begin with. I donīt want to spent a lot of money to find out that this item doesnīt suit me. I just need some good learning shells.

Thanks


Floyd
Message: Posted by: Whit Haydn (Jan 22, 2006 04:18AM)
I recommend the Vernet Shells. They are very inexpensive, work reasonably well, and the peas are very good. You will want to have a nicer looking set for professional performances, I would think. But to learn the game, these are an excellent starting set.
Message: Posted by: Etienne M. (Jan 22, 2006 04:51AM)
Thanks Whit,

I just visited your website, those street shells look nice and not a bad price.
How do they compare to the ones by vernet?

Floyd
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Jan 22, 2006 05:39AM)
Whit just yesterday I was looking at all your 3 Shell Game material. First off WOW on the demo. Did your heart jump on that one instant? Now I am not new to the shell game as far as knowing about it. I know the basic move but have not tried to really learn it until now. I want to be a Scoundrel. I want to get your DVD but again being fairly new to it. I don't want to dish out the big bucks quite yet until I have a decent presentation. What do you suggest?
Message: Posted by: Josh the Superfluous (Jan 22, 2006 09:17AM)
If you're sure that you will do it, and you thought street shells were reasonably priced, maybe you should go for it. I (along with most of the shell workers at this forum) think they're great. Plus, if you need any help, Whit is incredibly available and responsive. If you know about cups and balls it's the same kind of decision. The cheap ones will do the effect. The good ones look nicer and handle the details better.

Vernet shell do work well, they just look a little cheap.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jan 22, 2006 11:13AM)
If you have been to the cups and balls museum, you know that I have many different sets of shells. I have actually played around with each set enough to get the feel of them.

When you are just starting out, you need a set that is light and easy to pick up. While the S4S Street Shells are really wonderful shells -- looking natural and handling great -- the Vernet shells are just fine to learn on. Get a set of those, if you don't already have them. Then order the DVD and some perfect peas from School For Scoundrels and learn the basic material there.

That will get you on a firm footing with the work. After that, branch out. There are several good DVDs available. If you will do a search on this part of the Café for the various routines, you will find out which ones seem to be best.

Once you have gotten the moves down and are really proficient, then you should probably get a really nice set of working shells.

And you can get almost any set you want at School for Scoundrels.

Also, check out the Scoundrels Forum at http://www.whithaydn.com/smf/ . It's a very valuable resource for shell game workers.
Message: Posted by: Whit Haydn (Jan 22, 2006 04:09PM)
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On 2006-01-22 05:51, Floyd wrote:
Thanks Whit,

I just visited your website, those street shells look nice and not a bad price.
How do they compare to the ones by vernet?

Floyd
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Like a Porsche to a Volkswagon. They are both fine automobiles, but the street shells are much better looking and better handling.
Message: Posted by: wolfsong (Jan 22, 2006 04:22PM)
I think that the SFS shells are the best out there and if you really want to learn the Routine the street shells are the way to go. But beware this is an addictive proposition and you will probably own more than one set of shells in the end.
Message: Posted by: D Byrd (Jan 22, 2006 08:22PM)
I haven't tried the Street Shells, but I do like my Black Fox Scarab Beetles and Turtle Shell Shells.

Doug

They can be had from Steven's Magic Emporium
Message: Posted by: Turk (Jan 23, 2006 12:49PM)
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On 2006-01-22 12:13, Bill Palmer wrote:

Also, check out the Scoundrels Forum at http://www.whithaydn.com/smf/ . It's a very valuable resource for shell game workers.

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Bill,

I tried to go to http://www.whithaydn.com/smf/ and also http://www.whithaydn.com/. Both attempts took me to http://www.whithaydn.com/smf/ and the page said that (Whit's) site was currently unavailable.

I hope that Whit didn't let his URL rights expire and that someone else bought up those URL rights and is now holding Whit hostage and requiring him to pay them to get his site URL rights back.

Mike
Message: Posted by: Vandy Grift (Jan 23, 2006 03:45PM)
Turk, I was having trouble earlier as well. But it seems to be working now.
Message: Posted by: Dave V (Jan 23, 2006 05:33PM)
Mike,
There was a temporary problem at the hosting end of things. It had nothing to do with Whit, his registration, bandwidth or disk space. It was just "one of those things."
Message: Posted by: Josh the Superfluous (Jan 24, 2006 12:28AM)
I agree with Bill's First comment. I learned with the Vernet, decided I enjoyed the effect, and upgraded to S4S.

But I just took out my street shells and tried to think what it'd be like to learn with them. They never fail. I could have focused more on my technique and routine, without clicks, skips and stalls. Is there an advantage to starting off with a lesser prop?

I started out unsure and with limited funds. that's why I tried the Vernet. Floyd seams interested and said the Street Shells were "not a bad price". So the uncertanty/money parts don't seem like an issue for him.
Message: Posted by: Etienne M. (Jan 24, 2006 09:14AM)
Thanks guys for the response,

Iīm going to save some money and go for the vernet shells and dvd and peas from Whit.

Floyd
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Jan 24, 2006 09:25AM)
One point I would like to make on the shells. Many sets will hook into some close up mats and the shells may need to be sanded with light sand paper to make them slide smooth on some close up mats.

You have to do this with bottle caps to and I have had to do this with most of the sets of shells I own. And I have owned quite a lot of shell sets over the years. This is just the way that they are made and when you get a set you might have to fine sand them to work with the mat you have.

That is if you use a mat and do not do it on an open bar with the perfect pea from the s4s. Then sanding the shells would not be needed.

Just some thoughts.
Message: Posted by: Etienne M. (Jan 24, 2006 09:44AM)
Thanks for the tip, wil keep it in mind.
I usually use a mat.

Floyd