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Topic: Seeing through a Woman (Disembodied Princess)
Message: Posted by: MagicFingers (Jan 30, 2006 07:53PM)
Does anyone know if there are any plans for sale of the Disembodied Princess (Seeing Through a Woman) Illusion?

I am going to build my own (only because I want to specifically theme it) and although I know exactly how it works, the exact technical specs of the construction can be a little tricky.

Julian
Message: Posted by: freefallillusion1 (Jan 30, 2006 08:16PM)
Hi Julian,

The plans I used came from Paul Osborne. They are very clear and give every detail, and I was in the same boat- I knew how and what I'd be building, but wanted to make sure that I didn't miss any important details. Paul's blueprints are great! PM me and I can give you a few additional things I found when building mine. Good luck!

Phil
Message: Posted by: rtgreen (Jan 31, 2006 11:35AM)
Hi Julian,

Jim Steinmeyer did a variation for Doug Henning's road show that can be done surrounded. He published the plans in Genii. If you're interested, PM me and I'll get you more info.

Thanks,
Richard
Message: Posted by: Dennis Michael (Jan 31, 2006 01:38PM)
Get the recent [url=http://hamiltonholtinc.site.yahoo.net/clasilvol2.html][b]Paul Osborne Classics Volume 2.[/b][/url] It has Two versions of the Disembodied Princess as well as how to make facial molds.
Message: Posted by: The Mirror Images (Jan 31, 2006 07:24PM)
Rtgreen,

It was in the November 2003 issue. Good article in there as well.

Michael
Message: Posted by: MagicFingers (Jan 31, 2006 08:24PM)
Thanks, Dennis! Ordered it today...
Message: Posted by: Chezaday (Feb 1, 2006 02:05AM)
Now that's how it's done .. well done boys. Magicians helping magicians. Just to let you know .. one of the most difficult elements of this illusion is the life cast. This must be done right and be convincing .. otherwise you're not fooling anyone .. only yourself. Good luck ..

Steve
Message: Posted by: MagicFingers (Feb 1, 2006 05:32AM)
I found this great kit for the life casting at http://www.artmolds.com/product96.cfm. If anyone has any suggestions or advice for this stage illusion that they can pass my way, that would be most appreciated.
Message: Posted by: PaxMentis (Feb 5, 2006 08:08AM)
PM me for detailed info.
Message: Posted by: Dennis Michael (Feb 5, 2006 08:43AM)
The Disembodied Princess, is one of my favoriates. I absolutely love it.

Here are some thoughts on this topic:

[b]Use of Assistant:[/b]
When the assistant isn't a life partner, then the box has to be redesigned for a new assistant with new molds or, an assistant needs to be selected to fit the box. This can be a potential problem.

[b]Use on Self:[/b]
Never need to cast another mold, or make a new box when the assistant leaves. Assistants act as the faciliator for the magician. Lance Burton did this quite effectively on his Secrets of Magic DVD. John Kaplan did this on his Halloween fundraiser VHS tape. It's an optional alternative to the above.

[b]Eyes are Deceivers:[/b]
The effective presentations have the performer where sun glasses because the eyes don't blink. They are dead giveaways on this effect. So is movement of the head, so head must be fixed.

[b]Performance:[/b]
Take a look at John Bundy's Halloween performance, watch for the misdirection using the blades. It is presented quite convincingly. Also notice the combining of two illusion put the performace in a different perspective. See: [url=http://media.putfile.com/Wacky-Dracky-Weird-Science][b]John Bundy's Weird Science[/b][/url]

Hope this helps.
Message: Posted by: MagicFingers (Feb 6, 2006 07:19PM)
Thanks, Dennis. Those are great tips.

I do remember the Lance Burton version - I think that's my favorite of all, just for the "**** switch" alone. Undetectable! That's brought back memories.
Message: Posted by: OHCollector (Jul 29, 2007 11:53AM)
Bumping this up because this new member is getting caught up on some of the older threads. Does anyone know who built Copperfield's?
Message: Posted by: Frank Simpson (Jul 29, 2007 05:58PM)
I believe it was David Mendoza, but I'm not certain...
Message: Posted by: r1ch-oxford (Jul 29, 2007 06:17PM)
Hi Guys

Have a look at Russ Stevens version of this illusion (Link Below). It's fantastically well built by the looks of it. I also love Russ's presentational idea of it being an escape.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPKB7m5bHFw

Rich
Message: Posted by: MagicFingers (Jul 29, 2007 06:58PM)
I remember seeing him perform this. Love it - and a great piece of apparatus.

Too much black for my liking - this could be done with fairly bright lights.
Message: Posted by: Lusion (Jul 29, 2007 09:21PM)
Frank are you sure?,I thought I seen Copperfields in Bill Smiths photo album when I seen him last year. I could be wrong though.
Message: Posted by: RVH Magic (Jul 29, 2007 09:36PM)
I think Mendoza build the one for Copperfield & Bill Smith build one for Kirby Van Burch (special arrangment with Copperfield)
The one performed by Russ Stevens was build by Mendoza for Wayne Dobson and is now in the hands of Christian Farla...
Message: Posted by: Craig Dickens (Jul 29, 2007 10:43PM)
Don Wayne said he built Copperfields illusion
Message: Posted by: JoyJoy (Jul 30, 2007 05:39AM)
Julian - what is about yours? Did you finish it?
Or didnīt you? If not - what where the reasons - changing assistants, no adequate stages, building probs,... ?
Message: Posted by: russ stevens (Jul 30, 2007 09:36AM)
Hi Guys,

The Disembodied Illusion that I performed was indeed built by David Mendoza, but had the spike unit constructed by Peter Hart. Anyone in the UK wanting superb quality and design should consider Peter, who is also Johnny Hart's brother.

Best,
Russ
Message: Posted by: MichaelKent (Jul 30, 2007 09:55AM)
[quote]
On 2007-07-29 19:17, r1ch-oxford wrote:
Hi Guys

Have a look at Russ Stevens version of this illusion (Link Below). It's fantastically well built by the looks of it. I also love Russ's presentational idea of it being an escape.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPKB7m5bHFw

Rich

[/quote]

that's a cool presentation, but is it me or is the head not very visible on this version? Either the prop is so far upstage that the "neck blade" blocks the face or its just poor lighting or bad camera angles. I think there needs to be more emphasis on the head in his version -- you can barely see it.
Message: Posted by: MagicFingers (Jul 30, 2007 10:42AM)
[quote]
On 2007-07-30 06:39, JoyJoy wrote:
Julian - what is about yours? Did you finish it?
Or didnīt you? If not - what where the reasons - changing assistants, no adequate stages, building probs,... ?
[/quote]

I ended up going with something else. I was limited for time and I knew that I would want to build it properly, including the "top bit". My show had too many "dramatic" illusions, so I lost a few and replaced them with more intimate stuff, including my Home Video Prediction (way cheaper and more audience-friendly).

I may still build a Disembodied. I am working on plans to replace the box with a metal frame, with a neck collar and wrist shackles. My version would have the shirt whipped away, leaving the head, hands and legs. Still trying to figure out a few logistics, though. Heck, if Copperfield can take 2 years to design an illusion, I should be allowed at least 15! :)
Message: Posted by: Lusion (Jul 30, 2007 12:47PM)
Russ, Peter Hart is a good builder! He built one of my impales and Wellkington built the harness for it.
Message: Posted by: makeupguy (Jul 31, 2007 01:45AM)
Just for your information on the head..

it's WAY harder than it looks...

and it's what I do for a living... not magic heads specififcally.. but makeup and makeup FX in general.

I'll do heads, hands, feet and other body parts for magicians if they need them..

I'll travel to you.. or you can come to me for castings..

http://www.makeupguy.com
Message: Posted by: russ stevens (Jul 31, 2007 05:01AM)
Hi makeupguy,

I'll second that.

Getting a good head makes or breaks this illusion and I've never liked the wearing sunglasses routine... why??? The head that I used was made by Madame Taussauds in London and was done from a life cast. The head was only half shaped and every hair was put into the head separately (it even had eyebrow and eyelash hair)! The video on YouTube of my version was shot in one take and was part of a live TV show, hence the lighting.

Best,
Russ
Message: Posted by: magicmarkdaniel (Jul 31, 2007 05:11AM)
Here's a nice idea by Stephen Mulhern on Tricky TV...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JB-DWEV1owY

Mark
Message: Posted by: MagicFingers (Jul 31, 2007 10:17AM)
[quote]
On 2007-07-31 06:01, russ stevens wrote:
Hi makeupguy,

I'll second that.

Getting a good head makes or breaks this illusion and I've never liked the wearing sunglasses routine... why??? The head that I used was made by Madame Taussauds in London and was done from a life cast. The head was only half shaped and every hair was put into the head separately (it even had eyebrow and eyelash hair)! The video on YouTube of my version was shot in one take and was part of a live TV show, hence the lighting.

Best,
Russ
[/quote]

I saw your performance when it was broadcast - loved it. The head is immaculate. No need for sunglasses. Great performance, Russ.

Julian
Message: Posted by: magicmarkdaniel (Jul 31, 2007 12:00PM)
I remember seeing Russ's version on Tricks N Tracks, a programme on CBBC, a number of years ago. I may be wrong but wasn't the same prop also used by Wayne Dobson for A Kind Of Magic?

Mark
Message: Posted by: Harry H (Aug 1, 2007 04:42PM)
I have a version recorded where Paul Daniels performs it and opens up the illusion all way round not just the front!

Must upload it.
Message: Posted by: magicmarkdaniel (Aug 2, 2007 04:53AM)
Harry H,

Is that the version where they were dressed as Red Indians and he shot an arrow through the space into a target that was being held behind?

Mark
Message: Posted by: Irish_matt (Aug 2, 2007 10:40AM)
Was that When Daniels performed it using the old Kalanag prop and routine? I remember one year he ended most his shows recreating some very old routines.

Matt
Message: Posted by: MagicFingers (Aug 4, 2007 05:19PM)
Jim Steinmeyer designed a great version for Doug Henning that was surrounded. I think Paul Daniels' performance may have been similar.
Message: Posted by: Harry H (Aug 5, 2007 11:44AM)
[quote]
On 2007-08-02 11:40, Irish_matt wrote:
Was that When Daniels performed it using the old Kalanag prop and routine? I remember one year he ended most his shows recreating some very old routines.

Matt
[/quote]

It was quite old I guess,but then it was the 80's when he did it..so..
I wil upload it to youtube at some point.
Message: Posted by: Harry H (Aug 5, 2007 11:46AM)
[quote]
On 2007-08-02 05:53, magicmarkdaniel wrote:
Harry H,

Is that the version where they were dressed as Red Indians and he shot an arrow through the space into a target that was being held behind?

Mark
[/quote]

Not the version I saw.
Message: Posted by: Harry H (Aug 5, 2007 06:17PM)
As I said I would here is Paul daniels version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1Za3DOm-9s
Message: Posted by: Blair Marshall (Aug 5, 2007 07:18PM)
Similar to Doug's surrounded version without the stairs.

It was in one of Jim's books, and republished in a magazine more recently.

Blair Marshall
"ShaZzam!"