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Topic: Needle through balloon
Message: Posted by: Olszanski (Feb 18, 2006 11:22AM)
I broke my needle and have been searching for a replacement -- 18 inches or so. Any suggestions? I've tried fabric/craft stores like JoAnn's and Michael's but they only have needles up to 12 inches (I tried to special order but they couldn't fine longer). I also tried upholstery shops and marine shops to no avail. Do any magic dealers sell just the needle as a replacement, or should I just buy the darn (pun intended) thing?
Message: Posted by: kOnO (Feb 18, 2006 06:29PM)
You can get the needle through balloon for under 15 bucks at most magic dealers.

You can get it online from ELM shop at:

http://www.elmagicshop.com/cgi-bin/webc.cgi/st_prod.html?p_prodid=7241&p_catid=&sid=4G8BVU1U5M3U30v-24106358840.ed

check it out

kOnO
Message: Posted by: Magiguy (Feb 18, 2006 08:30PM)
If you're going to buy it commercially may I recommend spending a few extra dollars for the Super Needled Ballon? It's a thicker, much sturdier needle. When I lost mine I replaced it (unintentionally) with the regular size and was a bit disappointed given the comparison. Just a thought...
Message: Posted by: Olszanski (Feb 18, 2006 09:00PM)
I didn't know there was another needle floating out there. That is great advice and I'll look for the super needled version if I can't otherwise replace.
Message: Posted by: sbroomheadsr (Feb 19, 2006 05:52PM)
You can also purchase it with a holder that looks like a magic wand. It even keeps the needle lubed and ready to go.
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Feb 24, 2006 07:59PM)
My best advice is get the Super Needle. My next best advice is make it from stainless steel available in model airplane shops.

I don't like the economy model either.

Good Luck!

Bob Sanders
Magic By Sander
Message: Posted by: Jordini (Feb 24, 2006 08:17PM)
HOW DID YOU BREAK IT? I can not possibly imagine mine EVER breaking...
Message: Posted by: MoonBeam (Feb 25, 2006 08:12AM)
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On 2006-02-24 21:17, Jordini wrote:
HOW DID YOU BREAK IT? I can not possibly imagine mine EVER breaking...
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Good question Jordini...can't wait to hear this one! :)
Message: Posted by: robert bianchi (Feb 25, 2006 05:28PM)
Since you guys are on the subject and the search feature of the MC is down, let me ask, does anyone know of any threads or information on needle through ballon patter. I have the effect and it is one of those that just sits there. I have always felt a little uncomfortable that it is too delicate, and have not found a patter that I think resonates with an adult audience.

Any helpful tips would be appreciated.

Thanks, Bob.
Message: Posted by: Michael J. Douglas (Feb 25, 2006 08:27PM)
Bob,

Michael Ammar has a great routine in "The Magic of Michael Ammar." I think it's called "Billy the Balloon." Billy eats a borrowed ring, you hypnotize him, etc. Good stuff. You can see him perform it on one of his early vids too!


Best
Message: Posted by: Olszanski (Feb 26, 2006 04:44PM)
Yes, Ammars routine is great, and that book is why the effect is done in my hands! How do you break a needle? Well, put it in your hand bag (oh, you'll take it out soon...), forget about it, and realize something is wrong when your car door catches on something and doesn't quite shut. Hmmm, looks like that needle can penetrate through a hand bag, as if by magic. Car door + needle? Well, the door was fine. This is just a scenario I made up, because I would never be so clumsy, of course...
Message: Posted by: mr_e_uss (Mar 5, 2006 02:30PM)
I used to do the "Super Needled Balloon" -- but was **never** able to use the threaded ribbon. While the needle would be able to be passed through the balloon, the balloon would loose far too much air while the ribbon was pulled through it.

Has anyone had luck using the ribbon?

Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Snidini (Mar 5, 2006 02:38PM)
I found the same thing with the thin piece of rope/string that came with my needle. It is too abrasive and it tended to either let too much air out too fast or more times than not, it burst the balloon. I have since used soft angora yarn and that has solved most of my "ribbon" problems.

Snidini
Message: Posted by: Magiguy (Mar 5, 2006 05:50PM)
If you are using yarn, try a small blob of vaseline at the tail end. It seals the hole a bit enabling you to display the balloon a little longer before breaking it.
Message: Posted by: Snidini (Mar 7, 2006 07:12PM)
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On 2006-03-05 18:50, Magiguy wrote:
If you are using yarn, try a small blob of vaseline at the tail end. It seals the hole a bit enabling you to display the balloon a little longer before breaking it.
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I thought so too MG but since my needle is already stored with enough "grease" to easy any friction, it still wasn't enough to keep the "cord" that also came with the needle from abrasively ripping the balloon. It was a piece of cord with shiny metal/foil ribbon woven in it that I think was the problem. Anyway, it's history and yes the vaseline on the needle to protect it from rust and the yarn do a great job. Now, if only I could stop shaking when the needle enters the balloon.

Snidini
Message: Posted by: Magiguy (Mar 7, 2006 07:51PM)
:)
Snidini, I had the same trouble with the same metalic looking string that came with my needle. I threw it away and switched to yarn (it's the yarn that I refer to in my last post, suggesting the blob of vaseline. I was never able to get the metalic string to pass, regardless of the amount of "grease," without tearing a gaping hole in the balloon). The blob at the tail end (which I actually steal from the needle) is the last thing to touch the balloon, allowing for the slight delay, allowing you to pause a bit longer at the end.
Message: Posted by: nucinud (Mar 7, 2006 08:27PM)
My needle came with yarn. I have had it since the 90's.
I keep it in a long tube that came filled with vaseline.
No problems.
Message: Posted by: jdbach (Mar 10, 2006 03:10PM)
I have had my needle for many years and it is still in great condition. They are inexpensive and I think it would be worthwhile just to purchase another from your favorite dealer.
Message: Posted by: Vraagaard (Apr 14, 2006 11:00AM)
Whats the difference between "needle in Balloon" and "Super Needle"? Regular needle is 18 inch long whats the super needle like?

Also I can't find a description of Ammars "Billy, the hypnotized balloon" and I do not want to buy the big Ammar book just to find ut if I like it or not. Can anybody describe the effect from a spectators point of view without revealing any secrets.

Thanks in advance.

Jan
Message: Posted by: Magiguy (Apr 14, 2006 02:06PM)
Super needle is a bit thicker in diameter. It's just a sturdier, heavier version. I don't believe that there's a difference in length.
Message: Posted by: Neznarf (Apr 15, 2006 01:12PM)
I went to a machine shop and they made me a long needle.

I used a shiny gold ribbon threaded through the hole.

I kept needle in a wand that had vaseline in it, so it's ready to go and your needle is protected.

I got these GREAT balloons from 'Superior Balloon' I don't know if the company exists anymore? But they were perfect. I would put a little snowstorm in them so when I stuck the balloon it would look cool.

I stopped doing NTB beacause every Tom, Dick and Clown were doing it. But it's still a GREAT trick.
Message: Posted by: Jonathanmc (Apr 20, 2006 03:21PM)
I use embroidery thread that is very thin but very bright. I use two threads looped through so that is four thicknesses. Never had a problem.
Message: Posted by: Mind_Magic (Apr 24, 2006 09:37AM)
Use a cheap wooden skewer and spend your money on other stuff. If you break it use another one from the packet.

The secret of this trick was expose worldwide at many Internet locations since sometime ago, so I don’t understand why some dealers still selling it at high price.

For more details look at the following Web Site:
http://www.stevespanglerscience.com/experiment/00000135
Message: Posted by: Ireland (Apr 25, 2006 04:03PM)
If the secret has been exposed I think it's been forgotten about. I've been using it with adults in team-building seminars as an example of risk-taking...they are quite fascinated by it...say they've never seen anything like that before.
Message: Posted by: Mind_Magic (Apr 26, 2006 11:56AM)
Dear Ireland:
Agree with you regarding balloon routine is great, I use it frequently, but my point was the “cost” of something that you could learn free. The secret could be found searching the Internet and cost of materials are low.
Regards!